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I really liked it to, particularly, that documentary style. In retrospect - it's odd to me that the OJ thing was SO huge. I was trying to think of the equivalent former athlete in the same role today. (It's tough because not many former athletes are in the public eye to that extent with the commercials and the movies.) I don't think it would be as big a story. Maybe because '94 was the peak of the pre-internet media world, and after that, we're just so overloaded with information that nothing can reach those heights. Last edited by molson : 06-19-2010 at 11:26 PM. |
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06-19-2010, 11:58 PM | #53 | |
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Simmons and the director discuss a lot of these things in pretty awesome detail in the podcast I linked above. Barkley was one of the athletes today in a similar role that was mentioned, a great player in his time, still in the public eye, everyone loves him. There were a couple others brought up too that I forget. The internet was a huge point of discussion as well, how would things have gone differently with twitter and the like. I assume public interest would have burned way hotter and faster and disgust with the whole proceeding would have set in way faster. Last edited by Radii : 06-19-2010 at 11:58 PM. |
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06-20-2010, 12:03 AM | #54 | |
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I was 12 years old and remember being pissed that NBC kept interrupting the NBA Finals coverage so we could all watch OJ be driven down the freeway. |
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06-20-2010, 12:40 AM | #55 |
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I was working at Pizza Hut making pizza's while the OJ chase was going on. I only heard about it and saw footage later on the news.
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06-20-2010, 08:32 AM | #56 |
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They announced that the night of the Heisman they are doing a 30 for 30 on the SMU Death Penalty story. That is the one I cannot wait for.
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Guru of Go was my favorite one. Such a bizarre story and it was very well-told. Would have been easy to go over-the-top, but if anything they did the opposite.
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06-20-2010, 11:00 AM | #58 | |
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Well look at how big the Chris Benoit thing was 3 years ago, and I wouldn't call him a major sports celebrity. |
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06-20-2010, 06:08 PM | #59 |
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Guru of Go was one of my favorites. I also really found the Straight Outta LA episode pretty good. Al Davis didn't seem nearly as crazy as he's acted the past few years.
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06-21-2010, 07:49 AM | #60 |
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The OJ verdict was the first instance I remember of people using the web to learn about an anticipated news story as soon as it came out. I was walking down a hallway at college and one of the professors came out and announced the verdict.
15 years before that, we would have had to wait for the evening news to find out. Five years before that, we would have had to find a TV with CNN on it. Now, everyone would get the info on a smart phone. I wonder how much more immediate information can get? Short of having Ted Turner beam information directly into a chip in my brain, I am not sure we can do much better than the smart phone. |
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Did anyone catch the one tonight about Andres Escobar and the Colombia World Cup team in 1994? That was a pretty powerful piece, IMO, even putting aside the somewhat ridiculous hero-worship of Pablo Escobar.
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I saw it last night. Very good piece. Sidenote: I found myself salivating over some of the highlights that they showed. Brilliant stuff.
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I liked "Silly Little Game". I thought it was suitably silly for a microscopic part of the sports landscape (which itself is pretty small in the grand scheme of things). "The Legend of Jimmy the Greek" is my favorite so far, followed by SLG, "Straight Outta L.A.", and "Run Ricky Run".
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Guru Of Go was the favourite of the ones i got to see, the one on Gretzky propably the weakest.
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07-02-2010, 08:49 PM | #66 |
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Just caught up on "June 17th, 1994". That's just a great hour of television.
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07-03-2010, 01:57 AM | #67 |
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I caught up with Run Ricky Run, and really really enjoyed it, thought it was a fantastic window into Ricky's life.
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07-04-2010, 03:14 PM | #68 |
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Two Escobars - well done story that I didn't know anything about Winning Time - made my 12 year old sit an watch with me. the sequence of free throws was the best example of athletes and pressure I have ever seen. Without Bias - another one I made my oldest watch with me. Cautionary tale that I remember vividly. I was 20 when Bias died and I remember the dramatic effect it had on all my friends. Good June 17th, 1994 - I remember the day very well, but as I was in my 20's then I missed out on a lot of the other things like the Arnold Palmer story line. Though it was well done and interesting way it was done. My only real critique was OJ was so over covered, that it would be a bit like watching a movie titled "Will Farve retire?" 15 years from now Guru of Go - I liked this one a lot. Loved watching LM basketball back in the day. Still cried when I saw Hank drop. OK No Crossover - never much of an AI fan and the doc definitely raises a lot of questions about the trial and the motivations of the prosecution. But really didn't change my perception of AI either. He is, who I thought he was. Kings Ransom - love hockey, knew the story. Not sure I learned all that much Small Potatoes - Trump is a egotistical, insecure p***k. Pretty much knew that already and now I know he killed the USFL as well. Legend of Jimmy the Greek - Interesting, glad a watched it, but unlike many of the other stories was overwhelmingly compelling. The U - never liked the U, movie did an excellent job of reminding me why Hated Silly Little Game - I grew up at this time, read about rotisserie in middle school and played for decades. Already knew the basic story, but the absurd silly way that went about telling the story was awful and ridiculous. on DVR haven't got to yet 16th man - the "real" Invictus story - looking forward to it, because I liked the outline of the story, but thought the movie was bad. Hoping to see a better telling of the basic story. Run Ricky Run - heard good things, might watch it today |
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I really liked the 16th Man (South African rugby team). Much better than the movie, which was really hampered by focusing on Freeman/Mandela at the expense of the players other than the captain. One of my favorites along with the Two Escobars. The U was fun as a shameless celebration of the culture. Ricky Williams is interesting because he was thrown into a spotlight he never wanted due to being a physical specimen, but he wasn't saying anything I haven't heard other introverted stoners saying. I find Allen Iverson fascinating, but thought No Crossover could have been better if it was more about Iverson - the old videos of him were much more interesting than the director trying to analyze his dead father's thoughts on the situation.
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I finally caught 'The Two Escobars' on my DVR the other night, and enjoyed it a lot. Very well done.
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My only gripe is that I thought it was a bit long. Probably would have been perfect at 90 minutes. But either way, another great doc in the series. I sort of wish they'd keep the format and do 5-10 of these a year. |
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I remember the very barest details at the time, just that some Colombian guy got shot by gangsters after giving up an own goal at the world cup, but I was also pretty clueless to the story, and had either forgotten or never known that the WC was in the US at the time, that they were playing and lost to the US team, the talent level of the Colombian team, and that Andres was the captain of the team. I also kept repeatedly having to rectify that it was only ~15 years ago...the crappy, dark Colombian film stock (and crappy, dark Colombia at the time) and the last days of the heyday of cocaine made it feel so 80s. Also, as miami fan noted, I was totally impressed by some of those highlights. Who wouldn't have gone nuts over that team?
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I saw the first half of Unmatched (w/ Chris Evert and Martina Navratolova sp?) last night and really enjoyed it. DVRed the rest of it and looking forward to seeing the modern part.
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09-15-2010, 03:37 PM | #75 |
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Watched it on and off last night and enjoyed it too. It was a very candid, fun chat between two competitors and friends.
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Highly recommend you guys watch the next episode, named Once Brothers. Focusses on the break up on the yugoslavian National team (which might have been able to give the US a run for their money in 92, at least had come much closer than anybody else) and Divac and Petrovic in particular.
Airs on Tuesday at 8 ET. ESPN 30 for 30 ESPN Films and NBA Entertainment Present Once Brothers | ESPN MediaZone obviously haven´t watched it, but know enough of the backstory that i can´t imagine it not being very interesting.
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Already have it ready to be DVR'd. I was a huge Drazen fan and I can't wait for it.
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10-10-2010, 10:05 PM | #78 |
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Yeah, I've been waiting for that episode ever since it was announced.
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Once Brothers was fascinating. I'm not sure if it's because I'm half Croatian and saw from my dad how intense the Serbian/Croatian split really was, or if it was just good film-making. Must have been brutal on Divac.
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Fernando "El Toro" Valenzuela.
Pretty good one. This series has been very enjoyable. I just recently noticed, even though I am not a Dodger fan at all, my two favorite pitchers of all time are Valenzuela and Hideo Nomo.
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The Marcus Dupree story was pretty good tonight.
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11-09-2010, 09:43 PM | #82 |
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I only just watched Once Brothers last night. Holy shit, that was great. I have a whole new appreciation of Divac now.
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The Marion Jones one wasn't great, but pretty good. I had no idea she was playing in the WNBA.
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11-09-2010, 09:58 PM | #84 |
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The look on Marcus' face when watching his high school clips towards the end = Amazing. Last edited by RedKingGold : 11-09-2010 at 09:59 PM. |
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I really enjoyed the Marcus Dupree one. I remember him at OU when I was a kid and totally forgot about him. He was something.
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12-06-2010, 04:18 PM | #86 |
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Just a reminder that Pony Excess about SMU's death penalty is this Saturday after the Heisman presentation. Supposed to be up there with The U and the DuPree one for CFB fans.
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Being a kid in the middle of it here, remember it well. Looking forward to it.
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I've been looking forward to "Pony Excess" since the 30-for-30 list was released.
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12-07-2010, 07:28 AM | #89 |
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Interesting timing for this one right after Cam Newton wins the award.
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Once Brothers and Marcus Dupree were both outstanding - I even liked the Tim Richmond quite a bit which is surprising because I don't know anything about NASCAR and had never heard of him before.
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Yeah same on the Tim Richmond one, I actively dislike NASCAR and had never heard his name before, but I liked that episode.
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I really liked the Dupree and Richmond ones, and Once Brothers was the best one so far IMO. Looking forward to Pony Excess.
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I really enjoyed Once Brothers and the one about Valenzuela. I cant wait for the Pony Express.
I missed the one on Richmond. I would like to see that one. I completely missed the Invictus story. Too bad, I love Rugby. Last edited by tarcone : 12-07-2010 at 09:55 PM. |
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You can buy all 30 for 30 in a collection for 75 bucks. I have enjoyed them all so far. I just wish that I could have seen more of them.
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Would definitely be interested in that.
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Pony Excess- I liked this show, but come on everyone at SMU was getting paid, but James and Dickerson never admitted anything?
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James also gives off the slimy politician vibe too when he came up during the program.
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I liked how Dickerson handled it.
A good story. Lots of interesting characters. How did the Governor survive? Did he get re-elected? |
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He did. No one in the public tied him as anything more than a booster. Only when the facts came out, he was long gone.
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