Champs League Final: Liverpool v. AC Milan - Page 2

terpkristin · 05-25-2005, 05:26 PM

Save by Dida.

Milan 1 - Liverpool 2

/tk

fantastic flying froggies · 05-25-2005, 05:26 PM

5

(answer to stkelly's post 2 post downs...

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terpkristin · 05-25-2005, 05:27 PM

Kaka scores.
Deduk has been coming off the line it seems before the ball has been kicked.

/tk

robbgmaier · 05-25-2005, 05:27 PM

If the refs don't have the balls to order a rekick on milan's second attempt, and if they are too lazy to spot the ball themselves, rather than let dudec run out there with it, then they just need to give up

terpkristin · 05-25-2005, 05:27 PM

Smice scores.

Milan 2 - Liverpool 3

/tk

terpkristin · 05-25-2005, 05:28 PM

they take 5, stkelly

/tk

terpkristin · 05-25-2005, 05:28 PM

Dudek saves it again.

LIVERPOOL WINS 3-2 on PK's (6-5)

/tk

stkelly52 · 05-25-2005, 05:28 PM

how many shots do they take?

terpkristin · 05-25-2005, 05:29 PM

Ok, now that my play-by-play is done, I must say that Dudek looked like he was coming off his line quite a few times. Oh well, the refs didn't call it...

/tk

moriarty · 05-25-2005, 05:29 PM

Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

fantastic flying froggies · 05-25-2005, 05:29 PM

What an amazing result! I am glad Liverpool wins it, against all odds...

Celeval · 05-25-2005, 05:30 PM

Way to go Pool. Listened to this on British radio over the net, hell of a match. Deserved of a CL Final.

flere-imsaho · 05-25-2005, 05:30 PM

Wow. Comeback of the century.

terpkristin · 05-25-2005, 05:31 PM

Yeah, I was rooting for Liverpool, but I must say, Dudek definitely looked to jump off the line too early on at least 3 of those 4 kicks (meaning they should have been re-done). I suppose that since the refs didn't call it, it didn't appear that way to them, but ESPN2's camera angle made it definitely look that way. Anybody else see it?

/tk

rexallllsc · 05-25-2005, 05:32 PM

HOLY.CRAP.

Amazing comeback.

3ric · 05-25-2005, 05:34 PM

UNBELIEVABLE! I'm so happy!

NevStar · 05-25-2005, 05:34 PM

Wow. What a comeback. Good for them.

ice4277 · 05-25-2005, 05:50 PM

That has to be one of the top comebacks in the history of sport. Congrats to Liverpool.

Huckleberry · 05-25-2005, 05:59 PM

Doesn't top Manchester City being down 3-0 and one man at halftime against Tottenham last year then coming back for the 4-3 win in regulation in the FA Cup.

AlexB · 05-25-2005, 06:07 PM

Just wow - what a game of football! This is the type of thing that makes football the greatest game on earth - sorry guys!

Crapshoot · 05-25-2005, 06:09 PM

WOWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

What a game ! What a goddamn Game!
Jezry Dudek! Wow!

scooter · 05-25-2005, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terpkristin

Yeah, I was rooting for Liverpool, but I must say, Dudek definitely looked to jump off the line too early on at least 3 of those 4 kicks (meaning they should have been re-done). I suppose that since the refs didn't call it, it didn't appear that way to them, but ESPN2's camera angle made it definitely look that way. Anybody else see it?

He was definitely leaving early. The replays prove it. But like most things in sports, unless they call it, it's legal. Sheva has to feel terrible after Dudek's double save in extra time and then missing the last penalty. Fantastic comeback for Liverpool!

Huckleberry · 05-25-2005, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

Just wow - what a game of football! This is the type of thing that makes football the greatest game on earth - sorry guys!

Soccer's a great game and all, but you do realize that nearly every sport has great comebacks, right?

DeToxRox · 05-25-2005, 06:21 PM

I watched this game, and I guess I just don't have the passion for it but I found it really boring. I dunno. I watched an indoor soccer playoff game, now that was interesting.

AlexB · 05-25-2005, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Soccer's a great game and all, but you do realize that nearly every sport has great comebacks, right?

I do, but in my opinion the passion, simplicity, energy and constant ebb and flow of football and football supporters does set it apart from everything else. There will be Liverpool fans going crazy and Milan fans in disbelief everywhere in the world, from internet messageboards about an NFL text sim to villages in the sub-continent - no other sport in the world has an effect like this...

I would also qualify by saying that I may be overreacting slightly beacuse I have just watched Liverpool/Milan as opposed to the Bills/Oilers game for example

But I still believe my claim stands up.

Marc Vaughan · 05-25-2005, 06:41 PM

Loved that match - nothing like an underdog coming back to win in plucky style ... regardless of the sport (but even better when its an English soccer team .. would have been perfect if it'd been Brighton

).

Marc Vaughan · 05-25-2005, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Doesn't top Manchester City being down 3-0 and one man at halftime against Tottenham last year then coming back for the 4-3 win in regulation in the FA Cup.

You're forgetting to mention that Joey Barton actually managed to get himself sent off during the half-time break .... by arguing with the ref on the way off the pitch ....

(my wife LOVED that game when it was over, at half-time she was decidely unhappy ... despite my reassurances that all would be well, hey I'm an eternal optimist and it sometimes pays off

)

stkelly52 · 05-25-2005, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

I do, but in my opinion the passion, simplicity, energy and constant ebb and flow of football and football supporters does set it apart from everything else. There will be Liverpool fans going crazy and Milan fans in disbelief everywhere in the world, from internet messageboards about an NFL text sim to villages in the sub-continent - no other sport in the world has an effect like this...

And this is different from Boston's ALCS last season? It is all the same. A great comeback is always exciting to watch no mater the sport.

AlexB · 05-25-2005, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stkelly52

And this is different from Boston's ALCS last season? It is all the same. A great comeback is always exciting to watch no mater the sport.

Not wanting to totally change the direction of the thread, I agree with you: of course the level of the emotion is exactly the same for fans of whichever sport is involved, but Boston's ALCS (what does that stand for btw? I know it was their first title since Babe Ruth but can't get the acronym) will not have caused emotion in as many people as Liverpool's win tonight, as is generally the case with football vs. any other sport.

That is the only evidence I can present to back up my comment: everything else is subjective - if this is insufficient I will leave it alone

And don;t get me wrong, I follow the NFL as closely as football, and how the Dolphins do means almost exactly the same to me as how Leicester City do (which means I've had a really shitty sports year

)

SirFozzie · 05-25-2005, 07:37 PM

By the way.. for those of you who missed it..

*Unfortunately, the first reairing is, say.. now.*

Missed Liverpool's thrilling Champions League comeback? You can catch a re-airing Wednesday night at 7 ET on ESPN2 or catch the Instant Classic Thursday at 10 ET on ESPN Classic.

condors · 05-25-2005, 07:38 PM

I was actually surprised that ESPN sorta showed highlights of the game (pretty crappy job though) but at least it was a little exposure.

Desnudo · 05-25-2005, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

By the way.. for those of you who missed it..

*Unfortunately, the first reairing is, say.. now.*

Missed Liverpool's thrilling Champions League comeback? You can catch a re-airing Wednesday night at 7 ET on ESPN2 or catch the Instant Classic Thursday at 10 ET on ESPN Classic.

Thanks for the info. I went out when it was 2-0 Milan. Sounds like I missed a heck of a game.

Sharpieman · 05-25-2005, 11:24 PM

****. I'd rather not see them win it, but in the end it really doesn't concern me.

ISiddiqui · 05-25-2005, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

Not wanting to totally change the direction of the thread, I agree with you: of course the level of the emotion is exactly the same for fans of whichever sport is involved, but Boston's ALCS (what does that stand for btw? I know it was their first title since Babe Ruth but can't get the acronym) will not have caused emotion in as many people as Liverpool's win tonight, as is generally the case with football vs. any other sport.

I'm a soccer fan, but this is 100% wrong! The Red Sox's victory in the American League Championship Series over the Yanks had just as much and probably more emotion than Liverpool's win tonight. In fact, I'd definetly wager on 'more'.

kingfc22 · 05-26-2005, 01:03 AM

Great game, just wish my Tivo didn't cut off ET and the penalties. Heck of a turn around for Liverpool.

Galaxy · 05-26-2005, 01:18 AM

So,
Will Liverpool be able to defend the title next year?

As for Liverpool and the Red Sox, both are emotional turnarounds. It's hard to us to fairly judge these two sports, as soccer is life in Europe, and baseball isn't even on the rader over their. Here, soccer is a second-tier sport when Baseball is a primetime game.

Desnudo · 05-26-2005, 01:29 AM

I don't see why the achievements have to be ranked. They're both great in their own right, and special to their fans.

Great game. I agree with TK that Dudek definitely came well off his line on several of the kicks. On the first save he made, it was really obvious, as it was on one of the made ones. Suprising that the ref didn't make the call.

larrymcg421 · 05-26-2005, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I don't see why the achievements have to be ranked. They're both great in their own right, and special to their fans.

Great game. I agree with TK that Dudek definitely came well off his line on several of the kicks. On the first save he made, it was really obvious, as it was on one of the made ones. Suprising that the ref didn't make the call.

Was the other team working the ref on it? If they didn't catch it either and try to point it out to the ref then it's their own fault.

Desnudo · 05-26-2005, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Was the other team working the ref on it? If they didn't catch it either and try to point it out to the ref then it's their own fault.

No, it's the refs fault for not calling it. He was so far off, it wasn't even a close call.

fantastic flying froggies · 05-26-2005, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terpkristin

...Dudek definitely looked to jump off the line too early on at least 3 of those 4 kicks (meaning they should have been re-done). I suppose that since the refs didn't call it, it didn't appear that way to them,...

He did jump early, but it is rarely called by the refs nowadays.

FWIW, and on a similar level, at least 2 of the kicks (one Milan, one 'Pool) were also illegal with a pause in the run to the ball. But the refs rarely call that either...

MIJB#19 · 05-26-2005, 03:45 AM

I was playingvolley all night.
When we went into a break, we saw Milan go from 1-0 to 3-0.
When we returned, I was like: "Huh, isn't this game over yet? what's the score, 5-0?"
I got back: "It's 3-3 and the first over time is almost over."
I watched in shock and started rooting for penalty kicks. Being in a bar were everybody is for Liverpool (only because 'we' hate AC Milan for beating PSV in the semis) it was a happy environment. Until I had to mention that Liverpool can't defend their title and their archrivals Everton got their CL ticket for 2005/2006.

Mac Howard · 05-26-2005, 05:26 AM

If UEFA don't find a way to let Liverpool into next season's CL then they're tacitly accepting that winning the CL is less of an achievement than 4th place in the Premiership. Can't see them doing that

Butter · 05-26-2005, 08:13 AM

Does UEFA let 5 English teams in though.... at maybe the expense of a UEFA Cup spot? That'll be interesting. I can't see who they would bump to let Liverpool back in.

daedalus · 05-26-2005, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Howard

If UEFA don't find a way to let Liverpool into next season's CL then they're tacitly accepting that winning the CL is less of an achievement than 4th place in the Premiership. Can't see them doing that

Or that entry to the CL is earned.

moriarty · 05-26-2005, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daedalus

Or that entry to the CL is earned.

Yeah, it's a tough argument (and being a Liverpool fan one that I would like to see them side with the champion).

My guess is that the CL will push it back to the FA to decide to drop Everton. I don't think the FA will make that decision, so the CL will come under increasing pressure to allow them in. And the CL knows that it's to their benefit to have a big team with a big following in the CL next year from a $$ standpoint.

In the end, I suspect that the CL will allow Liverpool will make a financial contribution to one of the fringe teams (one of the teams in the qualifier rounds) to compensate them for taking their place. That way face is sort of saved all around, and they change the rule next year to formally allow the defender to attempt to repeat.

On a side note ... still can't get over the fact that Liverpool came back and won that game. Especially when you look at some of the folks who made key contributions to that game. Sure Gerrard was a given, but Dieter Hamann coming in at half time who was rumored to be out at the end of the year (after the team picked up Alonso), Vladmir Smicer (who's had very little playing time over the past two years) scoring and taking a great penalty, and Dudek ending up the hero of the night after it is widely assumed he is on his way out for one too many spectacular blunders.

One thing I'm curious about is who was going to take the 5th penalty for Liverpool? Gerrard, Alonso, Garcia???

flere-imsaho · 05-26-2005, 09:22 AM

1. Doesn't Liverpool get an automatic entry into next year's CL on account of winning it this year?

2. Didn't UEFA change the rules a few years ago that allowed the GK to move on the line (though not off of it) before the PK?

moriarty · 05-26-2005, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

1. Doesn't Liverpool get an automatic entry into next year's CL on account of winning it this year?

No.

Celeval · 05-26-2005, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriarty

Yeah, it's a tough argument (and being a Liverpool fan one that I would like to see them side with the champion).

My guess is that the CL will push it back to the FA to decide to drop Everton. I don't think the FA will make that decision, so the CL will come under increasing pressure to allow them in.

That has precedent a few years ago when Real Madrid won and didn't qualify - UEFA didn't let them in, and the Spanish FA bumped Real Zaragoza to give Real Madrid the last qualifying slot.

KevinNU7 · 05-26-2005, 10:06 AM

Maybe the can take FC Porto's spot

Please

scooter · 05-26-2005, 10:16 AM

There is an interesting little story over at Soccernet:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlin...334349&cc=5901

I think this could be a win-win situation for everyone involved. It's just up to UEFA to agree to it. Some pretty good thinking too on the part of the TNS owner.

05-25-2005, 05:26 PM	#52
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05-25-2005, 05:27 PM	#53
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	Kaka scores. Deduk has been coming off the line it seems before the ball has been kicked. /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

05-25-2005, 05:27 PM	#55
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	Smice scores. Milan 2 - Liverpool 3 /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

05-25-2005, 05:28 PM	#56
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05-25-2005, 05:28 PM	#57
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	Dudek saves it again. LIVERPOOL WINS 3-2 on PK's (6-5) /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

05-25-2005, 05:27 PM	#54
robbgmaier College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2001	If the refs don't have the balls to order a rekick on milan's second attempt, and if they are too lazy to spot the ball themselves, rather than let dudec run out there with it, then they just need to give up

05-25-2005, 05:28 PM	#58
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05-25-2005, 05:29 PM	#59
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	Ok, now that my play-by-play is done, I must say that Dudek looked like he was coming off his line quite a few times. Oh well, the refs didn't call it... /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

05-25-2005, 05:29 PM	#60
moriarty College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: A negative place	Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

05-25-2005, 05:30 PM	#62
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	Way to go Pool. Listened to this on British radio over the net, hell of a match. Deserved of a CL Final.

05-25-2005, 05:30 PM	#63
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Wow. Comeback of the century.

05-25-2005, 05:31 PM	#64
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	Yeah, I was rooting for Liverpool, but I must say, Dudek definitely looked to jump off the line too early on at least 3 of those 4 kicks (meaning they should have been re-done). I suppose that since the refs didn't call it, it didn't appear that way to them, but ESPN2's camera angle made it definitely look that way. Anybody else see it? /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

05-25-2005, 05:32 PM	#65
rexallllsc Banned Join Date: May 2003	HOLY.CRAP. Amazing comeback.

05-25-2005, 05:34 PM	#66
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	UNBELIEVABLE! I'm so happy! __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

05-25-2005, 05:34 PM	#67
NevStar High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Raleigh, NC	Wow. What a comeback. Good for them. __________________ I can't think of a clever signature.

05-25-2005, 05:50 PM	#68
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	That has to be one of the top comebacks in the history of sport. Congrats to Liverpool.

05-25-2005, 05:59 PM	#69
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	Doesn't top Manchester City being down 3-0 and one man at halftime against Tottenham last year then coming back for the 4-3 win in regulation in the FA Cup. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings Last edited by Huckleberry : 05-25-2005 at 06:01 PM.

05-25-2005, 06:07 PM	#70
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05-25-2005, 06:09 PM	#71
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	WOWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 What a game ! What a goddamn Game! Jezry Dudek! Wow!

05-25-2005, 06:21 PM	#74
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	I watched this game, and I guess I just don't have the passion for it but I found it really boring. I dunno. I watched an indoor soccer playoff game, now that was interesting.

05-25-2005, 06:41 PM	#76
Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	Loved that match - nothing like an underdog coming back to win in plucky style ... regardless of the sport (but even better when its an English soccer team .. would have been perfect if it'd been Brighton ). Last edited by Marc Vaughan : 05-25-2005 at 06:41 PM.

05-25-2005, 07:37 PM	#80
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05-25-2005, 07:38 PM	#81
condors College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I was actually surprised that ESPN sorta showed highlights of the game (pretty crappy job though) but at least it was a little exposure.

05-25-2005, 11:24 PM	#83
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05-26-2005, 01:03 AM	#85
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05-26-2005, 01:18 AM	#86
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	So, Will Liverpool be able to defend the title next year? As for Liverpool and the Red Sox, both are emotional turnarounds. It's hard to us to fairly judge these two sports, as soccer is life in Europe, and baseball isn't even on the rader over their. Here, soccer is a second-tier sport when Baseball is a primetime game.

05-26-2005, 01:29 AM	#87
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	I don't see why the achievements have to be ranked. They're both great in their own right, and special to their fans. Great game. I agree with TK that Dudek definitely came well off his line on several of the kicks. On the first save he made, it was really obvious, as it was on one of the made ones. Suprising that the ref didn't make the call.

05-26-2005, 03:45 AM	#91
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05-26-2005, 05:26 AM	#92
Mac Howard Sick as a Parrot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Surfers Paradise, Australia	If UEFA don't find a way to let Liverpool into next season's CL then they're tacitly accepting that winning the CL is less of an achievement than 4th place in the Premiership. Can't see them doing that __________________ Mac Howard - a Pom in Paradise

05-26-2005, 08:13 AM	#93
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Does UEFA let 5 English teams in though.... at maybe the expense of a UEFA Cup spot? That'll be interesting. I can't see who they would bump to let Liverpool back in. __________________ My listening habits

05-26-2005, 09:22 AM	#96
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	1. Doesn't Liverpool get an automatic entry into next year's CL on account of winning it this year? 2. Didn't UEFA change the rules a few years ago that allowed the GK to move on the line (though not off of it) before the PK?

05-26-2005, 10:06 AM	#99
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05-26-2005, 10:16 AM	#100
scooter High School Varsity Join Date: May 2004 Location: Camano Island, WA	There is an interesting little story over at Soccernet: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlin...334349&cc=5901 I think this could be a win-win situation for everyone involved. It's just up to UEFA to agree to it. Some pretty good thinking too on the part of the TNS owner.

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