LOL...Wie misses cut at the Casino World Open, Japan.

[WrongWay]

Originally Posted by Samdari

She won the USGA women's publinx - an adult championship - as a 13 year old.

I said major tournament. Not some local thingy.

Here are the 3 major amateur tournament. You win won of these and you can call yourself the best amateur golfer in the world,

1. US Amateur
2. British Amateur
3. NCGA Championship

Tiger won the US Amateur 3 times.


BTW here is the info on Wie's big win

The US Women's Publinx is a championship event for golfers who are "publinx" players - that is, who play public links courses rather than belonging to a country club.

I guess that would be like being the Best Men's Softball player out there.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

I would love to take that bet, but watching her play some crap tournamant like The Casino World Open in Japan shows how low she and her publicity people will sink.

Sigh. One of the first professional tournaments Tiger Woods played in as an amateur at age 18 was the Johnnie Walker Asian Classic in Thailand. You don't think that was for publicity and promotion?

Originally Posted by WrongWay

See, I understand why the #1 ranked women's golfer in the world Anna Sorenstam would want to play against the men for the competition, but I don't understand why someone who has never won a single major tournament on any level would want to?

That's why she has $10 million and you don't. Anyone who can't understand why someone would challenge themselves by going up against the best in the world and and try to beat them will never get it. It's the difference between champions and everybody else. In "Rocky" terms, it's the Eye of the Tiger. If you don't challenge yourself, how do you ever expect to be the best?

That's the point everybody misses about women playing men's events. It has nothing to do with money or fame -- it has to do with challenging and testing yourelf against the best and seeing how you stack up. Anybody who is a winner wants to do that. Mesauring yourself against the best is how you get better.

I'm with Troy -- I have no doubt it is a matter of time before Wie breaks through and wins some women's events, especially now that she's playing for real and not the "novelty." I say there's a 50/50 shot she wins a women's major this year.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

I said major tournament. Not some local thingy.

Here are the 3 major amateur tournament. You win won of these and you can call yourself the best amateur golfer in the world,

1. US Amateur
2. British Amateur
3. NCGA Championship

Tiger won the US Amateur 3 times.


BTW here is the info on Wie's big win

I guess that would be like being the Best Men's Softball player out there.

WOW, so, uh, did you have the decency to pull out before you ejaculated from sticking it in kcchief's colon?

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

I said major tournament. Not some local thingy.

Here are the 3 major amateur tournament. You win won of these and you can call yourself the best amateur golfer in the world,

1. US Amateur
2. British Amateur
3. NCGA Championship

Tiger won the US Amateur 3 times.


BTW here is the info on Wie's big win

I guess that would be like being the Best Men's Softball player out there.

Bottom line: Wie has done more with her life before the age of 16 then you will do in yours by the time you're dead. Maybe that's what makes you so hostile toward her.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

I said major tournament. Not some local thingy.

I guess that would be like being the Best Men's Softball player out there.

Well, that just shows that you don't know what you're talking about. The USGA PubLinx is actually just a notch below the USGA Amateur -- and several spots ahead of the USGA Junior Amateur. That's right -- the Public Links championship is a bigger championship than than the Junior Amateur. And it's not a "local thingy" -- it's a national championship played exclusively on public courses.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

WOW, so, uh, did you have the decency to pull out before you ejaculated from sticking it in kcchief's colon?

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Bottom line: Wie has done more with her life before the age of 16 then you will do in yours by the time you're dead. Maybe that's what makes you so hostile toward her.

Ditto for him too.

[WrongWay]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Well, that just shows that you don't know what you're talking about. The USGA PubLinx is actually just a notch below the USGA Amateur

So, how many times did she win the US Amateur?



Zero
Nada
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[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Bottom line: Wie has done more with her life before the age of 16 then you will do in yours by the time you're dead. Maybe that's what makes you so hostile toward her.

what makes me so hostile is yeah, she can drive the ball farther than your average teenage chick, but that in and of itself means jack unless she can win some actual games that matter.

put it this way - if she was a pro golfer in her 30's performing at that level she'd have to have a night time job to help pay the bills.

[Tekneek]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Well, that just shows that you don't know what you're talking about. The USGA PubLinx is actually just a notch below the USGA Amateur -- and several spots ahead of the USGA Junior Amateur. That's right -- the Public Links championship is a bigger championship than than the Junior Amateur. And it's not a "local thingy" -- it's a national championship played exclusively on public courses.

You are really wasting your time. Wrong Way is a troll.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Tekneek

You are really wasting your time. Wrong Way is a troll.

And the worst gimmick that this forum has ever seen.

[Galaxy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Wie

Here's a good review of her career so far. Pretty cool of her to donate a half-a-million to the Hurricane victims.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Subby

This thread is a doofus magnet.

Subby, you magnificent bastard!

SI

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

what makes me so hostile is yeah, she can drive the ball farther than your average teenage chick, but that in and of itself means jack unless she can win some actual games that matter.

put it this way - if she was a pro golfer in her 30's performing at that level she'd have to have a night time job to help pay the bills.

Sorry HA, but you're off base with this one. Again, had she been allowed to take money she would have finished 12th on the money list for the LPGA in EIGHT events. Keep in mind, most women play 25 or more events each year. If she plays the exact way she played this year in 8 tournaments and carries it over for a full season, she'd finish in the top three on the money list on the LPGA tour.

To put this into perspective, she would have earned $750,000 this year in 8 tournament events. Were she to get into the top five, she'd earn over million for her play RIGHT NOW. This is assuming she never improves. She stays stangnant and never does a single thing better. In other words HA, you are wrong with your assessment. Even taking away her endorsement contract, I'm fairly certain she could live on 3/4 of a million a year without resorting to a part time job.

That's about as likely to happen as Wrong Way winning a Nobel Prize for Literacy. She isn't getting the hype only because she can drive the ball a mile or that she's a 16 year old minority women.

She's getting the hype because at the age of 15, she was not only competing on the LPGA tour, she was in the final groups at major events. And the "she's never won anything" card just rings hollow. How many male athletes have won anything of importance by the time they hit 16? A handful.

I'm with Chief, there is a 50/50 chance this girl wins a major this year. At the age of 16. That's mind boggling.

[sterlingice]

I do have a question and I'm asking this with all sincerity: why are there so many people who get super defensive when someone suggests a woman in sports or a women's league isn't that good? It's like the Swoopes WNBA thread all over again.

People come in and thread crap in NHL and NBA (and soccer, but I don't really view them) threads all the time about how they suck and we just ignore them or give a little harmless razzing back ("hey, don't you have a thread where you can go back to talking about how much the Lions suck", etc). But if you say something about how a women's sport is useless- you clearly have a small penis or are intimidated by women or are a giant bigot. Suddenly it's not about the sport, but you hate all the people in that sport.

Personally, I don't care about Wie because I could give two rips about golf. And even less about women's golf. Why do I like the NCAA tourney and not the women's NCAA tourney when they're practically the same thing? Heck, they've even had a 16 knock off a 1 on the women's side so there are no "unwinnable" games. I don't see CBS forking over $3B for the women's tourney- it's just not as fun to watch and not nearly as mainstream. And that's not because CBS or the rest of society hates women.

SI

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I do have a question and I'm asking this with all sincerity: why are there so many people who get super defensive when someone suggests a woman in sports or a women's league isn't that good? It's like the Swoopes WNBA thread all over again.

First, I think people get "defensive" about female athletes in the same way that people get "defensive" about other minority groups (not just race) that are under siege for unfair reasons.

Second, I think people would get less upset if the criticism had a solid basis from which to agrue. Whether you like her or not, I don't think it's fair to say that Wei "isn't that good", especially for her age.

[ThunderingHERD]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

Now if you are saying she will be the #1 ranked golfer in the world by then, I will say your can't miss Denver running back Maurice Clarrett has a better chance of making the Hall of Fame than Wie does of ever being Ranked #1.

I've seen you mention this several times in this thread, but I'm still not sure what your point is. I mean, obviously it would seem like your point is that because someone has made a bad prediction in the past, anything that they say is irrelevant because they don't have the brilliant foresight/crystal ball that you do. You know, the crystal ball that compels you to vigorously deny that the most successful teenager if the history of women's golf is going to be anything but a complete bust.

But then I realized that couldn't be the case--after all, you have quite a history of being a laughably cocksure blowhard. And how could you reconcile that with your desperate ad hominem?

I'd stick to the paper thin analogies if I were you.

[WrongWay]

the crystal ball that compels you to vigorously deny that the most successful teenager if the history of women's golf is going to be anything but a complete bust.

The most successful teenager???

Can you please point to a major tournament she has won?

I can find you a couple of dozen tournament she has lost, but no big tournament she has won.

I say she has already peaked physically and will get no better from here. So I will take your bet as I count 4 teenagers that I think will be better the Wei in a couple of years.



Would of been nice if instead of playing in the Casino World Tournament she could of played in the Asia in Lexus Cup. Except for the little Indian girl who has not turned pro yet, this would of brought here face to face with most of the rising stars in women's golf.

[CraigSca]

Did you ask Wie to the prom and she turned you down or something? What gives?

[Joe]

he'd like her if she was white and her name was Michelle Smith

[Tekneek]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

Would of been nice if instead of playing in the Casino World Tournament she could of played in the Asia in Lexus Cup. Except for the little Indian girl who has not turned pro yet, this would of brought here face to face with most of the rising stars in women's golf.

And what the hell is this "Would of been nice..." shit?

Don't you mean "Would've been nice..." there?

What does "would of brought" mean?

[CraigSca]

He could of been having trouble with the word "have". Maybe he should of checked a dictionary. He would of responded much more eloquently if he used one.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

I said major tournament. Not some local thingy.

Here are the 3 major amateur tournament. You win won of these and you can call yourself the best amateur golfer in the world,

1. US Amateur
2. British Amateur
3. NCGA Championship

You really go out of your way to prove you are a dumbass.

The publinx is a major, national amateur event. It attracts much the same field as the amateur.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

put it this way - if she was a pro golfer in her 30's performing at that level she'd have to have a night time job to help pay the bills.

Not at all accurate. Had she gotten paid for the 10 events she played in this year, she would have made more - at 16 - than you will ever make in a year. That only counts earned prize money, not endorsements.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I do have a question and I'm asking this with all sincerity: why are there so many people who get super defensive when someone suggests a woman in sports or a women's league isn't that good? It's like the Swoopes WNBA thread all over again.

People come in and thread crap in NHL and NBA (and soccer, but I don't really view them) threads all the time about how they suck and we just ignore them or give a little harmless razzing back ("hey, don't you have a thread where you can go back to talking about how much the Lions suck", etc). But if you say something about how a women's sport is useless- you clearly have a small penis or are intimidated by women or are a giant bigot. Suddenly it's not about the sport, but you hate all the people in that sport.

Personally, I don't care about Wie because I could give two rips about golf. And even less about women's golf. Why do I like the NCAA tourney and not the women's NCAA tourney when they're practically the same thing? Heck, they've even had a 16 knock off a 1 on the women's side so there are no "unwinnable" games. I don't see CBS forking over $3B for the women's tourney- it's just not as fun to watch and not nearly as mainstream. And that's not because CBS or the rest of society hates women.

SI

I think you'd see the same defensiveness on this were the thread to have been about how horrible Andy Roddick is if this had been made about him when he was 16. This isn't about her being female, a minority or any of that.

This is about the fact she's walked in the final groupings at major events at the age of 15 and you have people spewing out garbage about how she's a bust and how she would have to have a part time job if she played this way in her thirties.

This is just about facts. The fact is, at 15, she accomplished more than many female golfers ever do and it seems like people want to shred her apart for no other reason than petty jealousy. I think it's lunacy and I'm going to comment about it.

Again, were this thread about some white athlete with identical accomplishments I'd bash them to.

As for the Swoops debate, I missed that one, but I'm not sure what someone could say about her. All she's done is win a national title, multiple WNBA titles, gold medals, MVP's, etc. Even if you hate women's basketball, you have to realize she's excelled in that sport like only a handful of women in the history of the game. And again, that has nothing to do with her being a women.

[lighthousekeeper]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

...Would of been nice if instead of playing in the Casino World Tournament ...

You doofuses do realize that it's the Casio World Open, not Casino.

[WrongWay]

Originally Posted by Samdari

You really go out of your way to prove you are a dumbass.

The publinx is a major, national amateur event. It attracts much the same field as the amateur.

Fine, if this amateur tournament is so great how many times did Tiger Woods play in it during his long amateur career?

I know he won the actual US Amateur 3 times. Funny no one seems to mention Tiger Woods and this little publinx tournament you keep talking about.


Up next Wie goes head to head with the men of the Dade County Retirement Home.

[WrongWay]

Originally Posted by lighthousekeeper

You doofuses do realize that it's the Casio World Open, not Casino.

Are you sure?

All my links say Casino
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7001190336

Wie Falls Short At Casino Open



November 26, 2005 2:39 a.m. EST


Danielle George - All Headline News Staff Reporter

Tokyo, Japan (AHN) - Michelle Wie did not make the cut for the Casino World Open. Wie has started six men's professional events but has yet to make the cut.

The 16-year-old had been on target after a first-round 73 but, after bogeying her final two holes on Friday, carded a 75 and finished four over.

Wie says that she is disappointed, by the loss but plans to learn from her mistakes and move on.

"I played as well as I could. I tried my best but things just didn't work out.

"The bogeys I made were pretty stupid. I wish I could've prevented that but obviously it was not meant to be."

[Joe]

http://news.google.com/news?q=casio%...al&sa=N&tab=wn

[Tekneek]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

Are you sure?

All my links say Casino
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7001190336

Yes, everyone is sure, big guy. Try going to news.google.com and throwing them both in the search engine. It seems only "All Headline News" has bungled the name. What other URLs were you looking at that have it as "Casino World Open" besides that one?

[WrongWay]

My original article I quoted from Travel Golf.

[WrongWay]

No wonder I couldn't find any more news on this tournament.

I wanted to see if she was competing against any "Real" pro golfers in this tournament. After Woods pretty much guaranteed that anyone should be able to make the cut against this field, you had to wonder what kind of Weekend Warrriors she was going up against.


If someone will do me the honor and tell me how great these golfers are.
First place: Toru Taniguchi
Second Place: Kim Jong Duck


I have never heard of either one of them. Are these golfers I should know?

[cthomer5000]

So... what personal problems are you trying to work through right now?

[Tekneek]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

If someone will do me the honor and tell me how great these golfers are.
First place: Toru Taniguchi
Second Place: Kim Jong Duck


I have never heard of either one of them. Are these golfers I should know?

Considering it is part of the Japanese Tour, I suspect only fans of golf on a worldwide basis and those in Japan would have heard of them before. Do you think it proves that Wie is a complete failure in life because Japanese golfers are not household names in the US?

[miami_fan]

You know what is ironic about this thread. It is suggested that Michelle Wie is an overhyped teenager who has not earned nor deserves the attention she has received. Yet a quick search of all the golf threads on this board over the last year reveals that the majority of the threads that involve play on the course involve.....yes you guessed it Michelle Wie. Not Tiger. not Vijay. Not Annika. Not Phil. Not any of the folks who have accomplish great success over a long time. Maybe she is overhyped, maybe she is not. But evidently in this small of corner, she is a rather important part of the golf landscape.

[WrongWay]

Originally Posted by Tekneek

Do you think it proves that Wie is a complete failure in life because Japanese golfers are not household names in the US?

I was just trying to show how Wie is searching the Bottom of the Barrel to get her first men's win. Did you miss the fact that I ended most of my messages with a joke about who Wie would be playing next.


In most major golf tournaments I can spot at least 3 or 4 players I have heard of before; no matter what continent they are played on.



UP next on ESPN, Wie goes head to head with the men in St. Mary's amputee ward.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

I will bring up my Anna Kournikova again. Right now Wie has as many golf title as Kournikova does tennis titles.

All flash and no results. A complete flop, you know a bust. Has yet to place in any pro tournament.

I look forward to seeing her compete against boy scout troup 407 next week. Go Michelle.

Don't drag Kournikova into this. She won two ITF tournaments and sixteen doubles' tournaments, including two Australian Open titles.


Maybe we can drag Freddy much-Adu-about nothing into this?

[WrongWay]

Now all we need is someone to bash Crosby and the circle will be complete.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by TroyF

As for the Swoops debate, I missed that one, but I'm not sure what someone could say about her. All she's done is win a national title, multiple WNBA titles, gold medals, MVP's, etc. Even if you hate women's basketball, you have to realize she's excelled in that sport like only a handful of women in the history of the game. And again, that has nothing to do with her being a women.

That one was basically a lot of saying "who cares" or "it's the WNBA" and people getting really defensive to that. I just know that in our NHL threads, when it gets thread crapped, we pretty much ignore them but if it's a thread about women's sports, people go nuts.

SI

[vtbub]

I think her free pass comes with her ability at her age.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

Now all we need is someone to bash Crosby and the circle will be complete.

I always thought Stills and Nash had more talent.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

what makes me so hostile is yeah, she can drive the ball farther than your average teenage chick, but that in and of itself means jack unless she can win some actual games that matter.

put it this way - if she was a pro golfer in her 30's performing at that level she'd have to have a night time job to help pay the bills.

But she's not 30 and that's the point. If she was, no one would care. But she's not and all the other teenager phenoms who are females are fully aware that they couldn't go to a men's tourney and miss the cut by one stroke more than once. Annika couldn't even do that and she's the best in the world.

Wie doesn't go into tournies very battle tested or with a whole lot of momentum and that never helps her cause either. She'll get it together and going pro was smart, because she'll have to play some semblence of a regular schedule.

But consider she'd be in the Top 15 on the LPGA Money List had she been a pro in the events she played, hardly makes her some slouch hack who isn't deserving and someday, that'll be evident.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

what makes me so hostile is yeah, she can drive the ball farther than your average teenage chick, but that in and of itself means jack unless she can win some actual games that matter.

put it this way - if she was a pro golfer in her 30's performing at that level she'd have to have a night time job to help pay the bills.

Correction: she can drive the ball further that almost everyone else her age, male or female. "Average chick" has nothing to do with this. You seem hostile because she's a "chick," and perhaps because she's supposedly "Asian," although I don't think the people of Hawaii consider themselves that.

If she were a male golfer in her 30s, we wouldn't be talking about her because that's not a story. As it is, she is the single-most accomplished female golfer at her age ever. There is an argument to be made that the only more successful golfers at her age ever were Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus. Her performance at this point in her career is unprecedented.

You guys are critizing her for not doing things that NO ONE has ever done. Was Tiger Woods a failure at 16 because he hadn't won The Masters yet?

If you can't enjoy watching someone do things in sports that haven't been done before, then I don't know what you enjoy about sports.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Correction: she can drive the ball further that almost everyone else her age, male or female. "Average chick" has nothing to do with this. You seem hostile because she's a "chick," and perhaps because she's supposedly "Asian," although I don't think the people of Hawaii consider themselves that.

She was just born in Hawaii, she is actually Korean. And yes, most Koreans consider themselves Asian.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

...but if it's a thread about women's sports, people go nuts.

SI

It's because people are unfairly vicious with their criticism, and a large part of the criticism (said or unsaid) is because they're woman. You never hear someone take shots at a male athlete because he's male, it's because he's unathletic, and asshole, too young to come out of college, etc.....

To me, if people don't get that this is wrong, they never will.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by George W Bush

She was just born in Hawaii, she is actually Korean. And yes, most Koreans consider themselves Asian.

Hawaii is part of the United States, not Korea. That makes her American.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Hawaii is part of the United States, not Korea. That makes her American.

So her Korean heritage is wiped away because she was born in Hawaii? LOL

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by George W Bush

So her Korean heritage is wiped away because she was born in Hawaii? LOL

Yep. You totally nailed it, genius.

[RendeR]

GW bush showing an amazing ability to ignore geography: 2 posts

HA proving once again he's a rascist pig fucker: 5 posts

Wrongway proving he knows next to nothing about Women's golf : 10 posts

KCChief and others smacking down all of the above with well thought out and fact driven arguments:

Priceless.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by George W Bush

So her Korean heritage is wiped away because she was born in Hawaii? LOL

Kinda like people who say they are "Irish", but they are really Americans with Irish ancestors. But hey, is Tiger Woods Asian because he has Asian roots?

I do say this, I bet Wie can beat the shit out of WrongWay and Hell Atlantic on the course.

As a racing fan, this is happening with Danica Patrick.

[WrongWay]

I am still waiting for someone to tell me all about Wie's tournament win at some little unknown BS amateur tournament. If it is a big amateur tournament how many times did Tiger Woods play in it?

I consider Tiger to be the 2nd greatest Amateur golfer the world has ever seen. I have Bobby Jones as the greatest Amateur golfer of all time, but that was a different time.

No Tiger in this "Puberty-Linx" tournament would mean it probably is some little piece of crap tournament like the "Casino" world open where Wie faild to even make the cut.



Wie will not be playing in the upcomming Asia tournament with Anna in December, but will instead be taking on the Boys from Sunshine Elementary School in a 9 hole tournament.