Werewolf LXII -- The BCS (Racer and Swaggs win)

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

XX should be an integer, 1 through 99. The chance you have of beating Team XX is (1-XX)%. If you win the game, you receive XX “powerpoints.” If you lose the game, you receive none. The computer rankings will only look at who has more powerpoints – it will not consider wins or losses.

Pass, quick clarification to make sure I'm reading this right. If I schedule a team that I have a 99% chance of beating, I get 99 powerpoints? Or do you mean that if I beat a team that had a 99% chance of beating me, I would get that many points? That way the reward=risk. Thanks!

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Pass, quick clarification to make sure I'm reading this right. If I schedule a team that I have a 99% chance of beating, I get 99 powerpoints? Or do you mean that if I beat a team that had a 99% chance of beating me, I would get that many points? That way the reward=risk. Thanks!

You get 100 - the percent chance you beat the other team powerpoints.

So if you had a 99% chance of beating a team you'd get 1 PP. If you had a 40% chance you get 60 powerpoints.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

You get 100 - the percent chance you beat the other team powerpoints.

So if you had a 99% chance of beating a team you'd get 1 PP. If you had a 40% chance you get 60 powerpoints.

Thanks for understanding and answering the question better than me. I'll delete my reply!

Also, roles are sent out.

[Alan T]

Got my two PMs. So to start things off, here is my understanding or our environment..

We have 17 teams. 4 conferences of 4 teams each plus Notre Dame. We will get to find out who notre dame is on day 4 as well as who is in what conference, but is there any reason to not reveal that information ourselves now to help us figure out who notre dame is early. Is there any reason we don't want to do that?

Now for the conference breakdowns.. each of our conferences want our conference to get the at large bid obviously.. but we also want to prevent the detractors from getting the at large bid either. Each conference is broken down with these roles according to Pass's PM examples:


scout/equip manager/lobbyist/saboteur

I guess I don't understand is.. is the saboteur the detractor? or are there 5 roles to choose from in each conference and only 4 of them are present?

Since there are no deaths in this one, is there any reason we don't want to be open with more information than normal.. ie: the scouts openly provide information to weed out the detractors, etc?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Got my two PMs. So to start things off, here is my understanding or our environment..

We have 17 teams. 4 conferences of 4 teams each plus Notre Dame. We will get to find out who notre dame is on day 4 as well as who is in what conference, but is there any reason to not reveal that information ourselves now to help us figure out who notre dame is early. Is there any reason we don't want to do that?

Now for the conference breakdowns.. each of our conferences want our conference to get the at large bid obviously.. but we also want to prevent the detractors from getting the at large bid either. Each conference is broken down with these roles according to Pass's PM examples:


scout/equip manager/lobbyist/saboteur

I guess I don't understand is.. is the saboteur the detractor? or are there 5 roles to choose from in each conference and only 4 of them are present?

Since there are no deaths in this one, is there any reason we don't want to be open with more information than normal.. ie: the scouts openly provide information to weed out the detractors, etc?

Each member of your conference has one of those four roles. Outside of that, one member of your conference is a detractor. Also, the four detractors are set up such that there's one of each role in their group.

[Racer]

Faithful conference team checking in. We are the Hoosier State Huskers.

[claphamsa]

this is gonna be fun

[Racer]

I made up that name by the way since a previous post said we could name our team if we wanted to.

[RendeR]

Buffalo State Bengals Checking in. I'l divlge more if my Conference mates wish to.

[claphamsa]

MD Killer kittens beat the buffalo bengals :P

[Coffee Warlord]

Jesus Pass. I thought my upcoming ruleset was fucked up.

[Barkeep49]

U of BK Drones ready to play some ball.

I think D1 it makes sense for us to play each other as there is a 50/50 chance that we'd win and that winners should play winners tomorrow and losers play losers. In this way we can get some some people with some powerpoints early on, to give the conference scouts some suspects to look at.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Jesus Pass. I thought my upcoming ruleset was fucked up.

heh, yeah...that's why I wanted the long Day 1, to let everyone have some time to get comfortable with the rules, and ask questions.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

U of BK Drones ready to play some ball.

I think D1 it makes sense for us to play each other as there is a 50/50 chance that we'd win and that winners should play winners tomorrow and losers play losers. In this way we can get some some people with some powerpoints early on, to give the conference scouts some suspects to look at.

How do we handle or want to handle Notre Dame? we can't sanction them but don't want them to win..

That is why I asked if everyone thought it was a good idea to go ahead and reveal their conferences.. so we know right away who notre dame is.

[molson]

Checking in, and it's going to take me a couple more read-throughs of the rules to understand what the hell's going on.

I typically say I'll be most active the 2 or 3 hours before a deadline, but then I end up posting all day from work anyway.

[chesapeake]

University Falls Church Crushers checking in.

Barkeep is right about challenging each other on D1 -- it has the best return on investment that we can get.

Alan's suggestion of revealing conferences also makes sense. I cannot see a downside in revealing now, and it outs ND, which is to all of our benefits. Can anyone else see a problem with this?

[jeheinz72]

Checking in, I have no idea what I'm doing, need to re-read a bunch.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

University Falls Church Crushers checking in.

Barkeep is right about challenging each other on D1 -- it has the best return on investment that we can get.

Alan's suggestion of revealing conferences also makes sense. I cannot see a downside in revealing now, and it outs ND, which is to all of our benefits. Can anyone else see a problem with this?

Well the main reason for it in my mind is this:

We don't want to give ND points at the harm of the rest of us.. Having ND challenge another human team and then win, hurts all of us right? Also having ND get the points ends up having someone else to scan without realizing it is ND..

This way if we all reveal before anyone does any challenges we avoid ND being challenged by any other team, and it also gives us one less person to scan for who the bad guys are.

[Barkeep49]

I'm ND. That information is bound to come out sooner rather than later anyway.

[Barkeep49]

I revealed because I simply couldn't come up with a strategy of how people would vote for me in the polls anyway once I was revealed D5.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I revealed because I simply couldn't come up with a strategy of how people would vote for me in the polls anyway once I was revealed D5.

Makes sense to me. I guess I dont understand how the BCS at large spot is figured out.. Highest ranking in the polls or the computer ratings or something else? If its simply the computer rating, what is the point of the polls? If its the polls, then is the computer rating just for us to know who has the most powerpoints?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Makes sense to me. I guess I dont understand how the BCS at large spot is figured out.. Highest ranking in the polls or the computer ratings or something else? If its simply the computer rating, what is the point of the polls? If its the polls, then is the computer rating just for us to know who has the most powerpoints?

It's the average of the computer rankings, the private poll, and the public poll.

[Barkeep49]

With apologies to Pass:

So if I had been in a conference I was going to urge that my fellow conference members role reveal. If two people claim the same role in the conference then it should be a matter of convincing someone in a different conference to scan them. I see no reason why we couldn't eliminate, at least by half, who the infilitrators might be.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA - I would suggest that conferences role reveal in their PMs to each other and then any appropriate information could be publicly posted. I was not suggesting people to start role revealing here.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

With apologies to Pass:

Heh, no apologies necessary!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

DOLA - I would suggest that conferences role reveal in their PMs to each other and then any appropriate information could be publicly posted. I was not suggesting people to start role revealing here.

I agree with this as well.. and think its good to get more information out..

One more question, are role reveals not allowed? By your comment it seems that way, but I must have missed that in the rules if so. (Admittedly I just read them this morning real fast).

[Alan T]

Dola, on second thought.. BK what does that gain anyone? Pass earlier said the wolves have one of each roles in each conference anyways.. So they would just say that role and then you would not know which of the 4 is the wolf.. right? So I am not sure how the reveals within the conference helps out the wolves too much..

THat said, I still don't see how me revealing my role is harmful though as I can't be killed and if I get some form of attack from the wolves, I still can continue to help defeat them.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I agree with this as well.. and think its good to get more information out..

One more question, are role reveals not allowed? By your comment it seems that way, but I must have missed that in the rules if so. (Admittedly I just read them this morning real fast).

Role reveals are allowed. I just meant that the vote-winner won't get his role revealed, and that duking won't reveal your role -- basically that there will never be a role reveal from me.

[Abe Sargent]

Checking in. My institution?

Boone County Vocational Technical Institute

You can call it Boone County Vo-Tech.

[Lathum]

Buckeye State Bugmen checking in.

These rules have me confused as all hell.

[Lathum]

OK, so if there is a human vs. human game day 1 how is a winner determined?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

OK, so if there is a human vs. human game day 1 how is a winner determined?

Each team has a 50/50 shot of winning.

[Lathum]

Challenge Barkeep
I want a crack at Notre Dame

[Swaggs]

Checking in.

[Swaggs]

I think it would be smart for someone (maybe Barkeep) to list groups of four teams for each scout to view. That way, we will avoid redundant checks early on (although it could become a problem later--the other conference members should be able to provide some sort of check on this).

Then, the scouts can divide the groups up and work from them.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I think it would be smart for someone (maybe Barkeep) to list groups of four teams for each scout to view. That way, we will avoid redundant checks early on (although it could become a problem later--the other conference members should be able to provide some sort of check on this).

Then, the scouts can divide the groups up and work from them.

I was hoping that we would all reveal who was in each conference.. I see no reason to hide this information and am about to reveal my conference anyways I think.. the wolves already know this information, so we should share it too.

Then match up conferences saying scout in Conf A scans Conf B. scout in Conf B scans Conf A . Scout in Conf C scans Conf D and scout in Conf d scans Conf C..

Any issue with this plan at all?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Challenge Barkeep
I want a crack at Notre Dame

I accept.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I accept.

To lock in the game for the day, you have to accept per the rules.

[RendeR]

Challenge Claphamsa

No kitten is going to intimidate us!

[Mr. Wednesday]

Challenge Anxiety

[Mr. Wednesday]

Is there any downside to role-revealing inside the conference? Can the detractors make any use of that information?

[Racer]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Is there any downside to role-revealing inside the conference? Can the detractors make any use of that information?

I wondered that as well.

[st.cronin]

St. Cronin's University Blue Man Group representin'.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Challenge Claphamsa

No kitten is going to intimidate us!

accept chance to dominate render!!!!

[chesapeake]

Challenge St. Cronin

After helping to put nails into your coffin in WW last week, I feel I owe you a chance at payback.

[Barkeep49]

[b]Accept Lathum[/]b

[SnDvls]

checking in

[Barkeep49]

Accept Lathum

Boy did I want to edit post 96

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Accept Lathum

Boy did I want to edit post 96

are you new?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

are you new?

Well it used to be considered acceptable by many GMs to edit your post with-in a minute or so of posting to fix typos and such, but that acceptance seems to no longer be the case.