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I don't know. This is a tricky thing indeed. Now presumably there are good guys who can travel back in time. So I propose the following: We do it so each person recieves 1 vote. There will be a no lynch. HOWEVER, when we do discover a wolf, a good guy would be able to travel back in time, change the vote, and thus kill a wolf, and possibly save lives later on. Now I don't have the power to travel back in time, but others must. If we agree to do this plan and someone doesn't vote the way they're supposed to that gives us a great piece of information for the next day.
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10-10-2005, 10:07 AM | #52 |
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but where will that leave us tomorrow??...with everyone having 1 vote, no voting patterns, and a dead person from the wolves...well be at square one again tomorrow with one less person and no leads
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10-10-2005, 10:12 AM | #53 |
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But that's where you're wrong. We won't have eliminated anyone YET. But we'll have setup a mafia kill down the road and allow any good guys with seer powers, such as the investigator, to either rule out somebody or, if we're lucky, find a mafia member. To me it's a short term trade-off for a long term gain.
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10-10-2005, 10:13 AM | #54 |
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i see where your going with it, and with this small number i presume you take the chances with the seer...but with 11 im betting only one good seer, and 2 bad guys...i dont love those odds...but ill comply if thats what the group wants
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10-10-2005, 10:15 AM | #55 |
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I'm here. Still sorting through the rules.
Barkeep, maybe an alternative to your strategy would be to have two lynching candidates and try to have the difference be a one vote swing. Then, we do have a shot at taking out a mafioso, and would still have the opportunity to travel back and change it if we are wrong (if I am reading the rules correctly). The downside to that is that if we pick two good guys, we're in trouble early. |
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10-10-2005, 10:23 AM | #57 |
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Digamma what do you think is gained by choosing two rather than leaving our options open with everybody? If we're rigging the vote in anyway we won't know get voting patterns. If we kill somebody there is far more incentive for the person who is killed to not go along with the idea and try and scrap the whole idea. By not killing anybody there is no personal incentive to go against the plan if people agree.
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10-10-2005, 10:25 AM | #58 |
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But if i was a warewolf and my head wasnt on the block, or that of my partner/partners id just sit there and be helpful...why would they go against it if none of them are in danger?
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10-10-2005, 10:26 AM | #59 |
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and also, do we even find out who votes for who?...they could all vote together and we wouldnt know who did it
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10-10-2005, 10:28 AM | #60 |
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Yes but the two people who are chosen have good reasons to fight the vote. For instance, what if we choose the investigator? That would be even worse than killing a villager. In general, I agree that killing someone on the first day is important. However, in this case we have a chance to "fix" mistakes. A random killing tomorrow, assuming the mafia kill somebody tonight, is more likely to be successful than one today. Plus we'll have the ace in the hole of being able to ENSURE a mafia kill in the future.
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10-10-2005, 10:29 AM | #62 | ||
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10-10-2005, 10:29 AM | #63 | |
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I do think it builds some history and let's us draw from it. But, it is a risk, because if we're wrong, (in the words of Blade), we're screwed. I'm not wedded to the strategy, just brainstorming ideas early in the game. |
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10-10-2005, 10:33 AM | #64 | |
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I still don't see the long-term gain. How would we discoever the mafia? |
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10-10-2005, 10:34 AM | #65 | |
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10-10-2005, 10:42 AM | #66 |
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Of course are the good guys the only ones that can go back in time? That is a possible problem in your plan.
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10-10-2005, 11:02 AM | #67 | |
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NTN: That is true, bad guys likely can go back in time as well. However, if a bad guy does so, and kills someone who we don't believe to be a wolf, that vote change will tell us to be suspicious of somebody. |
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10-10-2005, 11:13 AM | #68 | |
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Villager checking in. I agree with Digamma, this seems alittle risky.
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10-10-2005, 11:16 AM | #69 |
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After this iwill be quiet till Iget off work.
There have been several times that "everyone" was sure that they knew who was a werewolf, and they ALL were wrong. Now I realize we must have some risk in this game to get our desired result...the killing of the mafioso. We won't know who has gone back to kill. Hopefully it will still be Day one by the time Iget back so I can make a slightly better desicion than I can at this time for whom to lynch. |
10-10-2005, 11:46 AM | #70 |
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I'm going to be gone for the next 11 hours or so. If others don't like my plan (which there seems to be some resistance towards) hopefully we'll have some new ideas by then.
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10-10-2005, 11:56 AM | #71 |
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No ideas here, but I don't like the thought of sitting around. There are a couple of problems with that:
1. What if the seer is not an "active" player? What if that person just checks in periodically and forgets to view tonight? Then we will have gained nothing. 2. If we sit around, the wolves can pick off one of us tonight. Now, that's better than losing two today (one with lynch and one by wolves), but sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omlette. 3. The more time we do nothing, the more time it gives them to come up with a strategy and figure out how they should pick off. Those are my concerns, but I'm willing to do whatever. |
10-10-2005, 04:21 PM | #72 |
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Man, this is the slowest WW game ever.
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10-10-2005, 04:39 PM | #73 |
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only 11 guys, not the 20 normal...i wonder how many good guys have secret roles...there are some, i just wonder how many
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10-10-2005, 04:39 PM | #74 |
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I was just thinking the same thing. Of course, the first day does always suck, but here it's especially confusing, because of our first experience with the time travel rules.
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10-10-2005, 04:41 PM | #75 |
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and the silent vote...and technically we decide when the day ends
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10-10-2005, 04:44 PM | #76 |
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Any merit to voting to end the day with no lynch votes out there?
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10-10-2005, 04:44 PM | #77 |
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With 11 total players, how many baddies do we think there are? I have a hard time believing there is the usual 3 at this point, or else they'd be at a huge advantage. I'm leaning towards 2 at this point.
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10-10-2005, 04:46 PM | #78 |
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ive stated i tihnk we have 2, one good seer, and 2 secret good roles...be it witness or vigilante
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10-10-2005, 04:46 PM | #79 |
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An early observation (For what its worth)...
I believe there are four folks who haven't posted since the game started--Mr. Wednesday, kingfc, RealDeal and ardent enthusiast. Of those, only AE has logged on to the site today. |
10-10-2005, 04:47 PM | #80 | |
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Agreed. It seems alittle strange that he'd log in but not post in this thread.....We don't have very much to go on, so this seems as good of a first day reasoning as any.
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10-10-2005, 05:13 PM | #82 | |
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What interests me is if dead people will really stay active...dead people are required to continue voting(silently), but i wonder if people will..especially the quiet ones...such as the ones he listed a few posts ago...but what else can we get going for reasoning on anyone?? Anyone feel guilty and want to confess to being a wolf?
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10-10-2005, 05:20 PM | #83 |
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In AE's defense, we had the Wildcard round of the Playoffs this morning in the GEFL, in which his Kansas City Chiefs narrowly defeated MIJB's Houston Oilers, 16-15. That might be why he's been around, but not posting much.
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According to the original rules posting, we would be told at the beginning of the game how many mafia we were up against. Is that still the case? Did I miss the post that provides that information?
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Double dola, how are we going to coordinate only voting for one person each when we're not supposed to reveal who we vote for?
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10-10-2005, 06:41 PM | #89 |
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I thought we voted 1, 2, 3 PM to SnDvls.
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10-10-2005, 06:53 PM | #91 | |
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10-10-2005, 06:56 PM | #92 | |
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you cannot say vote joe however you can say like others have. I'm leaning towards X Y & Z it allows you to be credible if you choose by doing that and having your vote after lynch saying such or allows others to question you at that point. The votes you really need to think about are #2 & #3 probally in the first few days because those can have a major impact down the line. |
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sorry if I alluded to this, but it is not the case. I looked at the rules to see if I did copy that item from mafiascum.net and couldn't find it. Anyhow, it is not the case. |
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OK. Sorry for the confusion on the voting.
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Just FYI, the part about number of mafia was this:
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So, who were we randomly voting for today, again?
I'm thinking given his in-game determination that I'm usually dangerous, I should vote for ardent as a matter of principle, but I'm open to suggestions for other candidates for my primary or secondary votes.
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Im leaning to ardent for my first vote, and the others i dont know yet...prob random since im not sold on quiet ones only...
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So are we going to try to target a few people, or disperse our votes? Dispersed votes don't tell us a whole lot, but on the other hand, we won't know when we nail a mafioso yet anyway.
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I see sorry my bad....so I'll follow my rules....there are 3 mafia to start the game. to help the villagers and since it was a rule there you are. Thanks for pointing it out to me. Last edited by SnDvls : 10-10-2005 at 09:54 PM. |
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I was more pointing it out so you knew from whence I had drawn the conclusion, but I do appreciate us getting notified.
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