WW LXVI: Money Money Money (Game Over!)

[The Jackal]

Those services are awesome, this is going to be an interesting game.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

When will the game start? If it's somewhere above, sorry I missed it. Just being sure, as I am about to go to bed, and have my usual two-job Monday, so I won't be able to get on, play, vote, read my initial PM, etc. until about 9 p.m. Monday my time at the earliest.

Night 0 will be this afternoon/tonight, so you're fine for today. You'll have to get your vote in tomorrow along with your night actions, however.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Do you need to pay to change your beneficiary if they die?

Yes

Does your money continue to accrue interest if in a CD upon your death before moving to your beneficiary or are assets immediately liquidated and passed on to the beneficiary?

The money stays in the CD until its term is up at which point the money goes to your beneficiary.

[Barkeep49]

A few rule changes. I added in rules about tie breakers. Players may only change where they're keeping their money at night. Finally, the starting money was upped to $30,000 and the voting bonus upped to $15,000.

[Tyrith]

I want to do it, I want to do it, I want to do it....well, doesn't look like the games lately have been the 3,000 post monsters they used to be, so hopefully the time commitment will be manageable. Fine, you win, you've lured me back in.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I want to do it, I want to do it, I want to do it....well, doesn't look like the games lately have been the 3,000 post monsters they used to be, so hopefully the time commitment will be manageable. Fine, you win, you've lured me back in.

'Bout time, dude.

[Passacaglia]

Please let this game start -- my study materials haven't arrived yet, and I'm sick of reading everyone whine about Belichick leaving early in General Discussion.

[Barkeep49]

Made some changes to the auction list. Most are slight (simply swapping what things are on what days or changing the scope of a service). Biggest change is the addition of the Thief on Day 3, the Financial Analyst was moved to Day 4, and there will be no Bodyguard services offered Day 4.

Like Pass I'm anxious to get the game underway, however simply don't have much time to do it until around hopefully 3 Eastern. If not it will be 4 Eastern.

[Passacaglia]

Someone needs to write a "sending out PMs" macro.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE TYRITH

welcome back dude

[Passacaglia]

Figures that I get my PM right after my study material arrives.

[Barkeep49]

PMs have been sent. Everyone received the Rich PM. The Cutthroat received an additional PM. We are now in Night 0. By 9 AM Eastern please send me the following:
1. Your beneficiary
2. How you want your money divided between CDs, your Bank Account, and On Hand
3. How much it would take to bribe you to the Cutthroat side between $20,000-$100,000.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Figures that I get my PM right after my study material arrives.

Isn't that the way these things always go ?

[Lathum]

Just got my PM.

I am way to hung over to figure out what I need to do

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Just got my PM.

I am way to hung over to figure out what I need to do

See post 62 for the bare bones.

[Alan T]

Checking in real quick. Busy day for me at work. Got my PM, but I haven't really looked through all of the recent rule changes. My PM stated that I need to name someone for my will, figure out where to split my money and set a "bribe amount" Is that all that is due today? I'm working from home tommorrow and thursday, so will be a bit easier for me to catch up those days on whats going on.

[Alan T]

Oh didn't see your comment to Lathum. Ok I'll catch up on the rules later tonight when I have more time. I'll wait till I get through all of them before I comment more about the various things we have to do. Without understanding how it all works together, I don't really want to commit myself to doing certain things.

One question, do you -HAVE- to name a beneficiary today? What is the penalty if you wait a day or so before naming one?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Oh didn't see your comment to Lathum. Ok I'll catch up on the rules later tonight when I have more time. I'll wait till I get through all of them before I comment more about the various things we have to do. Without understanding how it all works together, I don't really want to commit myself to doing certain things.

One question, do you -HAVE- to name a beneficiary today? What is the penalty if you wait a day or so before naming one?

Failure to name a beneficiary will result in your money being with-held until such a time that you have named a beneficiary.

This is also true for failure to specify your bribing price.

If a person doesn't say where they want their money it is assumed to be On Hand.

[claphamsa]

You can all make me your beneficiary.. as I am just a normal villegar!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Failure to name a beneficiary will result in your money being with-held until such a time that you have named a beneficiary.

This is also true for failure to specify your bribing price.

If a person doesn't say where they want their money it is assumed to be On Hand.

ok thanks

[hoopsguy]

Clap, thank you for volunteering - I was all set to pose the question to the group, but I'll just go ahead and name you.

Note to cutthroats - I hate being converted in Werewolf games. You can safely assume that my pricetag will be exorbitant ... don't come talking to me unless you are planning to empty out the vault first.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Clap, thank you for volunteering - I was all set to pose the question to the group, but I'll just go ahead and name you.

always willing to be helpful!

[Alan T]

Barkeep, some more questions... sorry if these have already been answered..

The first vote is free.. Is that the first vote of the game, or first vote each day is free?

Is who I pick as my benefitiary made public anywhere? Is that information we gain to try to learn "alliances" of others, or is that kept hidden? Is that revealed upon someone's death?

Is the only money you can use to buy additional votes "On hand" money? Or can I use money I have in the bank for additional votes if I so choose?

Is the choice of putting X amount in the bank , on hand or in CDs changable on the fly, or only once a day at the end of the day?

Can I win the bodyguard firm and use it to protect myself at night?

Do you learn if you win the bid for things before having to decide where or how to use it? Or do you have to submit that with the bid?

I am really bad with interest bearing accounts, how much do the individual CDs provide if I were to put $10,000 into each of them, what would I get back when they mature?

Thanks.. sorry for all of the questions, I should have read the rules yesterday but got caught up in the superbowl, and today has just been hectic.

[RendeR]

I like Hoops' thinking here, note to cutthroats, you can't afford me. Don't bother.

[Alan T]

I'll try a different tact!

I may be bribeable... why not give it a try

[SnDvls]

I'm in the same boat w/ RendeR & Hoops

I've been a wolf too often lately...I'll be priced at the max for sure

[Mr. Wednesday]

Checking in. I haven't decided yet who should be my beneficiary. I'll be interested in any attempts to persuade me.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Barkeep, some more questions... sorry if these have already been answered..

The first vote is free.. Is that the first vote of the game, or first vote each day is free?

First vote of each day.

Is who I pick as my benefitiary made public anywhere? Is that information we gain to try to learn "alliances" of others, or is that kept hidden? Is that revealed upon someone's death?

A beneficiary is revealed only upon death or by using the Lawyer service.

Is the only money you can use to buy additional votes "On hand" money? Or can I use money I have in the bank for additional votes if I so choose?

Money on hand and bank account money may both be used for bids and vote buying. Obviously each has their own disadvantages.

Is the choice of putting X amount in the bank , on hand or in CDs changable on the fly, or only once a day at the end of the day?

This can only be changed during the Night, except for the Cutthroat who get to privately transfer, once per day, money from one to another. And obviously if money goes into a multi-day CD it can't then be touched until the end.

Can I win the bodyguard firm and use it to protect myself at night?

Yes

Do you learn if you win the bid for things before having to decide where or how to use it? Or do you have to submit that with the bid?

No you win it before deciding to use it. So at the end of the day if you've won an auction you'll get a PM. This was the big reason why I went with the separate cycles.

I am really bad with interest bearing accounts, how much do the individual CDs provide if I were to put $10,000 into each of them, what would I get back when they mature?

1 Day - 10,500
2 Day - 11,556
3 Day - 13,310

Thanks.. sorry for all of the questions, I should have read the rules yesterday but got caught up in the superbowl, and today has just been hectic.

Actually that was a big part reason I did the Night 0, rather than just have people do it as part of Day 1, so that people would have a chance to easy into the game before the auction got started fast and furious.

[Alan T]

Ok, thanks BK

[Passacaglia]

If we put in a losing bid, do we still pay the money?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If we put in a losing bid, do we still pay the money?

No.

[mauchow]

Okay, guys. I'm a rich dude. Sign me up as your beneficiary and I'll put you down. I'd like to 'trust' someone to put down my name. Anybody wanna do that?

[claphamsa]

You can trust me mau, im a governemtn accountant after all!

[path12]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I'm in the same boat w/ RendeR & Hoops

I've been a wolf too often lately...I'll be priced at the max for sure

I will be too. Unless I'm not.

[path12]

By the way, checking in rich.

[Tyrith]

I'm alive. And rich. And excited to get going.

[Lathum]

I can be bought for cheap.

[Arles]

My head's spinning with these rules. I think I'll be the miser and hide all my money under a matress.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Arles

My head's spinning with these rules. I think I'll be the miser and hide all my money under a matress.

mine was too until I printed them out and actually sat down and read them.

[Schmidty]

I don't understand this game at all. I will fail.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

mine was too until I printed them out and actually sat down and read them.

I have no printer, and I have an eyelash in one of my eyes, so reading hurts.

[DaddyTorgo]

I need to read these rules

[Alan T]

I know that it is only day 0, but I am trying to figure out what to submit for my night 0 actions, the toughest being who to make as my beneficiary, and just reading through the thread to get a feel for some folk.

What is the motivation of the people who seem to be begging almost to become a beneficiary. I understand that everyone wants more money, but aren't you making a big target on your back? Unless you are a wolf then you don't really have alot to be afraid of in that regard.

It seems to me that we all want to gain money, but to do so quietly to keep a low profile. From the rules the way I understand it, the wolves will be looking for the big money hits so to speak.

This also has me trying to figure out some uses for some of the services.

Friend of the Bank - What do we truly gain from this information individually? I am having a hard time equating in my head some equation such as: More money in bank = less/more chance of being a wolf. It seems to me this information does not really provide alot, but could actually be harmful released to the public (ie: telling wolves who to avoid going for)

Notary Public - Since this has to be used at a night, I'm having problems figuring out a great use for this. Perhaps if someone does a fake reveal and is busted, I could use it the next day to try to get any money they have left over... but if they are a wolf, won't they get rid of their money before lynching anyways? This seems far more dangerous in the hands of a wolf switching the beneficiary of someone they plan on killing.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I need to read these rules

might help...

[Lathum]

I would think the cut throats have alot more money then we do.

I am trying to figure out how much to bid, anyone have any guesses/ ideas. I would hate to overbid

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I would think the cut throats have alot more money then we do.

I am trying to figure out how much to bid, anyone have any guesses/ ideas. I would hate to overbid

Well, we've got 30K and a vote costs 10K, which you'll get 15 back on. So top bid assuming everyone votes is going to be 20. Since I doubt anyone would do that at this point, I'd say top bids will be in the 10-15 range.

[path12]

I hope I didn't make a cutthroat my beneficiary.

[Lathum]

How do we get more money other then CD's?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

How do we get more money other then CD's?

If you only make one vote a day you'd earn $5000 for that. Other than that I'd have to look at the list of bid stuff.

[DaddyTorgo]

fuck...i have to read the rules tonight? this sucks. I don't want to