06-22-2005, 02:49 PM | #51 | |||
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06-22-2005, 02:54 PM | #52 | |
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So its ok that the league kicked out this one group of players simply because they were better than other players? Now if this team could move into a different league with better competition or something then in the end perhaps it can all work out but from the sounds of it now this team cannot play in any league because its too late. Why not make the adjustment next year to not allow this team in or better yet have some type of random setup of teams or allow coaches to pick players. Yes this team would win every game this year - so what. Is whoever wins the league now going to have a great sense of accomplishment knowing that they are the league champs because the best team got kicked out for being too good? I don't see how this helps the self esteem of any of the kids playing. If the league is so worried about the fragile self esteem of these kids then why not throw out everything that makes them feel bad? No more losses, no more outs, everyone gets the same amount of times to bat, everyone has to play the same amount of innings in the infield and outfield, coaches pitch so they can lob grapefruits in there for little Johnny to hit... I agree that its dumb that a team this good is playing in such a league but unless they did something wrong that wasn't in the story that is their right. Is it wrong for the best high school kids or even grade school kids to all go to one certain school to play in school sports? At some point you have to teach kids that there are going to be challenges in life and that sometimes there will be people who are better than them and in those situations you just need to do your best and be proud of what you did. 6,7,8 years old may be a bit young for that but 11-12? These kids are about to be teenagers. I'm not saying its time to break out the "winning is the only thing" speech but they're old enough to face a little bit of reality at least. |
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06-22-2005, 03:05 PM | #53 |
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It's all on the coach to me. He's smart enough to amass the talent, he's smart enough to have them practice 4 days a week, he's smart enough to teach the game, then he's smart enough to know where they belong.
If his goal was to get in a league with creampuffs, he and the team got what they should have. Somehow he's organized enough to amass and train talent yet can't get them in an appropriate league. THEY CARRY AROUND BIRTH CERTIFICATES. That is not normal.
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06-22-2005, 03:10 PM | #54 |
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I agree with Jon in this instance. In general I think some slaughter rules (for instance the house league I coached in limited innings to 7 runs) can be fine, but they should be established and agreed to ahead of time. Learning how to lose, especially against an impossible foe, is an important life lesson and these coaches are robbing their players of that opportunity
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06-22-2005, 03:15 PM | #55 | |
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Which team are you talking about? The all-star team is certainly not learning how to lose in the cream-puff league, either... |
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06-22-2005, 03:30 PM | #56 |
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We don't know that it is an all-star team. I am referring to the other teams.
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06-22-2005, 03:34 PM | #57 |
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I'm guessing there is indeed more to this story...aka the other side as mentioned above.
A friend's son is playing tee ball as a five year old. My friend volunteered to be a coach, he played college level baseball(D1). He was very annoyed at the competitiveness of some parents as well as other coaches. One team was full of seven year olds that had been playing tee ball together for the previous two years. They generated quite a bit of animosity with other teams because they allowed their players to run out their hits instead of stopping at first or second. Stuff that is pretty uncalled for in a league where score isn't kept. |
06-22-2005, 03:51 PM | #58 | |
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If you read/remember/can find my thread on my coaching last year, you'll know that I understand exactly what you're talking about. Find the part about the smallest kid on the team, who could barely see much less play baseball, and you'll know I understand those things & appreciate them. But ... The rest of the team doesn't put in their effort, their talents, their time, in order to give the "Little Billy's" of the world the opportunity to make contact once in a while. I believe coaches owe the best 9 (or 10) they've got every chance at winning, because that's the most "fun" you can have.
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06-22-2005, 03:54 PM | #59 | |
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As somebody said about something else earlier, that's pretty common as far as I know, going back all the way to even ancient times when I played. Remember, too, the context of that bit of info, it was a way to quieten the endless challenges about the age of the players. (And I've never seen a league, 70's,80's, 90's, or today where that wasn't a constant issue, even seen that happen in a no-score-kept league a couple of times).
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06-22-2005, 09:20 PM | #60 |
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From being around the Columbus area, Canal Winchester is probably one of the biggest growing "suburbs" around, they have been building tons of new houses in that area, put up a new shopping plaza, ect. I'm not sure how exactly the rec league extends to down there, but going a few mins away from Canal, you're in farm land. New neighborhoods vs. farms, there's a ton of talent that's going to be in the neighborhoods.
It seems to me that they should do away with the whole "community" teams of which it appears would have worked well when it was just mostly farm land a few years ago, and now these new "neighborhoods" where the kids live right beside each other, and a coach can gather up a team that probably lives within a mile of each other in the neighborhood verses a coach that has kids strung out in the farmland and its harder to get together to practice. Now, I could totally wrong about how this league is structured, but from knowing the area and its growth in the past few years, I think it makes sense. Of course, I've never heard of a rec league where the coaches can pick their entire team to enter the league. I can understand that the team doesn't want to travel, but if that is the case, then tough luck for keeping the team together. If these are the best 9 kids in the league on 1 team, maybe they would actually benefit from being on different teams, so that each of them could learn to be a "leader" of their team. |
06-22-2005, 10:28 PM | #61 |
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I'd have to agree that the league was asking for it. Hell, when I was 11 and 12, my team didn't lose at all. We routinely won games 20-0, and these were shortened by mercy rules. We won the championship games my last year by a combined 50 something runs. And this wasn't an all-star team, this was by a draft. And of course, the team I was on had won every championship since my brother in law was in rec leagues (and he's 7 years older than me). Sometimes that stuff just happens.
I'm just saying that kids have to learn to win and lose in life just as much as they have to learn to have fun. What good is a society where everyone grows up thinking they'll always succeed. As soon as they don't succeed, they'll fall apart. Look at all the kids my age graduating with no idea what to do, or are having a hell of a time not being the shit at a job. The best lessons I learned from winning and losing at sports were just as important as what I was taught in school. I had some good times playing high school soccer getting our asses handed to us by 10 goals. Sure, it was embarrasing, but its also good to be humbled every now and again. I think its more parents not being able to handle watching their kids not excel at everything that is the problem. We've become a society where we have to coddle kids to make them think they're perfect, because so many parents feel like a failure if their kids don't succeed. Sometimes they need to get beat to make them work harder so it doesn't happen again. We lost to the #2 soccer team in the state at home by 12-1. We went to their house later and losts 3-2 on penalty kicks. We never would have tried that hard if we hadn't got killed the first time. Sure, it didn't always work out like that, but the times it did were some of the best of my sporting life. |
06-25-2005, 10:10 AM | #62 | |
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Read this in the paper today and thought you guys would like to read the update.
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I still think they should have been allowed in the rec league for this year, but its nice to see these other teams coming out and wanting to play the Stars, who will now be the team with the target on their backs for the rest of the year. |
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06-25-2005, 11:19 AM | #63 |
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Thanks for the update Turner, good to know.
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