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Old 06-10-2013, 03:56 PM   #51
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Nice try Battlefied 4, but don't think we didn't notice you didn't have any dogs.


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Old 06-10-2013, 03:57 PM   #52
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:16 PM   #53
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:27 PM   #54
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:33 PM   #55
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Launching at $499, Microsoft has got a double shackle going on with Xbox One. First, they're going to get a cool reception at retail just on the price. Second, they're going to get absolutely shat on in Japan. Again. Are they even launching in Japan? I saw US, UK and EU prices, but nothing for Japan.

The UK price is going to harm them. £430 is higher than the hugely overpriced PS3 at launch, and not far short of $700.

If Sony offers the PS4 at the same price on both sides of the Atlantic they will have a huge price advantage, even if they decide to charge $500.
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:45 PM   #56
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The UK price won't /help/ them, for sure, but the UK is a smaller market than Europe at-large, where the price is closer to parity with the US.

I mean, the price in general is just a disaster waiting to happen if Sony have any ambition at all here, but the price in the UK won't matter hugely relative to the overall pricing scheme.
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Old 06-10-2013, 05:13 PM   #57
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Sooo, anyone manage to follow the Splinter Cell trailer?
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Old 06-10-2013, 05:15 PM   #58
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Yeah, $499 is ridiculous. I have a Xbox 360 where I own my games. I can "upgrade" to the Xbox One and license my games and lose control of what I can do with them. I don't see any touch points so far that make me want to buy it.
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Old 06-10-2013, 05:17 PM   #59
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Old 06-10-2013, 05:28 PM   #60
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Yeah, $499 is ridiculous. I have a Xbox 360 where I own my games. I can "upgrade" to the Xbox One and license my games and lose control of what I can do with them. I don't see any touch points so far that make me want to buy it.

But if you don't pre-order you're going to miss out on achievements.

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Old 06-10-2013, 05:33 PM   #61
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The Crew looks kind of interesting, but someone needs to tell Ubi where Chicago is.
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Old 06-10-2013, 05:48 PM   #62
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That's code for "no used games but the blame isn't on us anymore despite the fact that we're facilitating the option for our publishers".

Let's not defend stupid, no matter who ends up taking the shaft on it.

No. Used games will happen, despite whatever spin you want to put on it. I'm sure some publishers will charge some sort of fee which sucks, but I bet some will go free. Microsoft will not charge any fee. Furthermore, Pachter (one of your favorites) believes that no publisher will disable or charge any significant fees:

Pachter: Publishers won't block Xbox One used games - GameSpot.com
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Old 06-10-2013, 05:51 PM   #63
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Ubi decides not to rename Watch_Dogs to PRISM.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:02 PM   #64
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No. Used games will happen, despite whatever spin you want to put on it. I'm sure some publishers will charge some sort of fee which sucks, but I bet some will go free. Microsoft will not charge any fee. Furthermore, Pachter (one of your favorites) believes that no publisher will disable or charge any significant fees:

Pachter: Publishers won't block Xbox One used games - GameSpot.com

Tonight will decide whether it matters. If:

1. Sony produces a sub-$400 price point

and/or

2. Sony goes out of its way to say used games will proceed much the same as they did in the previous generation

......then MS has big problems on its hands. If Sony comes out with a $499 price point and says nothing about used games, then you know it's not nearly the big deal that it could have been. It's really that simple.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:15 PM   #65
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The UK price won't /help/ them, for sure, but the UK is a smaller market than Europe at-large, where the price is closer to parity with the US.

I mean, the price in general is just a disaster waiting to happen if Sony have any ambition at all here, but the price in the UK won't matter hugely relative to the overall pricing scheme.

The £430 UK price is $670 and the €499 Euro price is $661, so you are screwed no matter where you live in Europe.

I know that taxes may be different, but that pricing is just crazy.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:16 PM   #66
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:21 PM   #67
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The £430 UK price is $670 and the €499 Euro price is $661, so you are screwed no matter where you live in Europe.

I know that taxes may be different, but that pricing is just crazy.

Didn't realize the Euro was that much stronger than the dollar. I thought the Dollar had been above the Euro more recently.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:26 PM   #68
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I don't think used games will be that much of an issue when it is all said and done. Publishers aren't going to be willing to cut their own nuts off.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:31 PM   #69
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Some stuff on pricing from reddit.

The Xbox 360 launched at $299.99/$399.99 and €299.99/€399.99.

The PS3 60gb was $599.99/€599.99.

The Wii was $249.99/€249.99

This is neither new nor exclusive to Microsoft.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:54 PM   #70
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If the ps4 comes out at 399, they will win year one.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:00 PM   #71
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I don't think used games will be that much of an issue when it is all said and done. Publishers aren't going to be willing to cut their own nuts off.

Perception is everything. Will it alter habits of the core gamers? Not that much. They don't sell that many games back anyway.

Will it cause a public backlash much like the PS3 launch that could set them back for the entire generation? Definitely could.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:31 PM   #72
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Based on the opinions that were thrown around here during the 360/PS3 war, I'm pretty sure the Xbox1 is going to do fairly well.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:43 PM   #73
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GT is saying there is will be 3 different SKUs for the PS4 with the pricing between $399-$599.
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:27 PM   #74
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Trenton is speeding through the PS3/Vita portion of the presentation. Looks like 3/4 of the two hours will be focused on PS4.
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:40 PM   #75
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The PS4 looks like a slanted XBox One.
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:46 PM   #76
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The PS4 looks like a slanted XBox One.

I thought the same thing. Interested to see if the rumor of 3 SKU's is true and more details about them.
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:53 PM   #77
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:06 PM   #78
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:21 PM   #79
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Trying not to get carried away by hte fact that this show just appears to be one great game after another with no end in sight.
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:41 PM   #80
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:45 PM   #81
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Full used games, no online authentication.

If the price is right, checkmate.
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:46 PM   #82
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:48 PM   #83
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Full used games, no online authentication.

If the price is right, checkmate.

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Old 06-10-2013, 09:54 PM   #84
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Full used games, no online authentication.

If the price is right, checkmate.

It looks like they're really going to be pushing it as a selling point.



Though unfortunately this video confirms that PS Plus is required for multiplayer. :/

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Old 06-10-2013, 09:58 PM   #85
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It looks like they're really going to be pushing it as a selling point.

As well they should. It's a huge selling point that most people assumed wasn't going to happen.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:03 PM   #86
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and it's $399 and euros, 349 pounds uk.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:03 PM   #87
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$399? Oh, shit.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:03 PM   #88
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Goodness. What a disaster for MS. Unbelievable.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:03 PM   #89
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:06 PM   #90
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The post-game on some of these streaming feeds will likely be filled with total disbelief. I don't think anyone thought that Sony would do everything correctly in this press conference.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:06 PM   #91
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Goodness. What a disaster for MS. Unbelievable.

Yeah, something tells me this day did not go as they planned.

Goddamn. Heads must be spinning (and probably rolling soon) at XBOX right now.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:07 PM   #92
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Game over Mircosoft. Wow.

So, to recap...

PS4:

No always online DRM.
No resale limitation
$399 start price.

Sony back on top.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:09 PM   #93
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Is there any chance MS comes out and says tomorrow, "Sorry, but we had a total miscommunication yesterday in our conference. Our console will release at $399, won't include Kinect, and will have no used game restrictions. Sorry about that."
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:09 PM   #94
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Shizzle me. Might just order one tomorrow at that price point...LOL
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:13 PM   #95
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Who else thinks Sony had this priced at $499... And waited until MS came out wih their price before slashing it in the evening?
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:19 PM   #96
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Sounds like PSN Plus will be required if you want to play PS4 games online. That's really lame.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:19 PM   #97
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Who else thinks Sony had this priced at $499... And waited until MS came out wih their price before slashing it in the evening?

It's an amazing game of cat and mouse. Putting on my tinfoil hat here, I really think that Sony strategically leaked out info to their partners to try to convince MS that they were going to start at a $449-499 price point. It's like MS was confident that they were at a good price point and had no concerns that what happened tonight would actually happen. They showed no hints that they thought they might be in a pickle.

I can't even imagine how the MS personnel felt when the used game announcement and price announcement were met with applause. They had multiple crowd shots during the applause where you could see media members just shaking their heads in disbelief at what had just happened. Easily one of the most amazing moments I've ever seen at E3.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:24 PM   #98
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Sounds like PSN Plus will be required if you want to play PS4 games online. That's really lame.

I have PS+ and think it's worthwhile, but also really don't like it being required for multiplayer.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:28 PM   #99
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Sounds like PSN Plus will be required if you want to play PS4 games online. That's really lame.

It was bound to happen. I don't play online but love my PS+ membership because it's a very good value. From a competitive standpoint, it doesn't hurt them because MS already requires it.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:37 PM   #100
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Just pre-ordered my PS4.
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