Werewolf XLV - ROME! (Game over, post 3425)

[Barkeep49]

I would think that people should either sue someone on their own level or one up? What do people think about that?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

Are there more rules that I'm missing? This isn't making much sense to me, like what is our ultimate goal? Do we know that there are people who are in fact, treasonous? Are there different political factions? When does the game end?

All this will become clear in time.

Originally Posted by Anxiety

st. cronin, can you edit your money post to include everyone so I don;t have to keep clickign back to the sing up thread to see who is in the game?

Will do.

Originally Posted by Peregrine

Well since there are only two lawyers, we can only have two lawsuits a day, yes? With so many people it will take a while, but we could just keep suing everyone until treason is revealed. We know the lawyers are safe, since they're not Senators, right? They can't be traitors?

You do not need a lawyer to press a suit.

[Peregrine]

If we're going to try to all file a lawsuit each day, we can simply organize them so that we suffer the least loss from losing a lawsuit. I don't know how many days it will take to expose all the traitors through lawsuits, but with 14 or 15 a day it can't take too long.

[Coffee Warlord]

Was the question about your money going down just from hiring services fielded?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Was the question about your money going down just from hiring services fielded?

Financial status will not change from hiring services (or not hiring services).

[st.cronin]

One more game note: I will try to keep my inbox open, but with so many players possibly sending pms, it may fill up. In the case that happens, you should send me an email at my gmail address. The address is my user name here, @gmail.com. Try to put "werewolf" in the subject.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

the idea would be to smoke out the treasonous tarquinians and toss them from the rock (which incidentally isn't ALL that impressive...i suppose a fall would still kill you, but it's nothing awe inspiring).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarpeian_Rock

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I would think that people should either sue someone on their own level or one up? What do people think about that?

Why?

[st.cronin]

One other question I don't think I answered: There is no limits on the number of lawsuits an individual can pursue, but there are practical limits on how many lawsuits the courts can handle. Lawsuits beyond this limit will be held off to the next day, unless withdrawn (a player can withdraw a suit any time before it goes to the courts).

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

If we're going to try to all file a lawsuit each day, we can simply organize them so that we suffer the least loss from losing a lawsuit. I don't know how many days it will take to expose all the traitors through lawsuits, but with 14 or 15 a day it can't take too long.

Where does the loss come in? I'm assuming one person's loss is another person's gain. And unless you know something that I do not, we don't know in which direction that helps or hurts us in each individual case.

The only thing I think would be preferred is for us to try to involve as many different people in the lawsuits as I am guessing it has a higher chance of telling us something, than just ganging up on the wealthiest or certain people.

[st.cronin]

By the way, this is far and away the most complicated game I've tried to run, so do bear with me. Ambiguities and mistakes are inevitable, but I will do my best.

[Autumn]

The lawsuit idea makes sense to me. My only addition is to say that my interpretation is that each of us can only press one lawsuit per day, so we would need everyone to take part.

Since we're not quite sure yet what bonus money might bring (other than better access to services) and don't want to be putting money in the hands of possible traitors, perhaps we can match up the lawsuits, so that A sues B and B sues A. If the suits are successful, perhaps the change in wealth will balance out. I'm not sure yet how suits are decided though...

[Autumn]

oops, St. Cronin answered that while I was answering - ignore the 1 suit per day item.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarpeian_Rock

I know what it is cronin. Been there, seen that.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Autumn

The lawsuit idea makes sense to me. My only addition is to say that my interpretation is that each of us can only press one lawsuit per day, so we would need everyone to take part.

Since we're not quite sure yet what bonus money might bring (other than better access to services) and don't want to be putting money in the hands of possible traitors, perhaps we can match up the lawsuits, so that A sues B and B sues A. If the suits are successful, perhaps the change in wealth will balance out. I'm not sure yet how suits are decided though...

this makes a lot of sense. As long as it's not a cover for wolves to only fake-sue each other. I think we'd need...multiple people to agree to it all. Which could make it complicated...

[Tyrith]

I'm a vanilla. Hurray vanilla!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

this makes a lot of sense. As long as it's not a cover for wolves to only fake-sue each other. I think we'd need...multiple people to agree to it all. Which could make it complicated...

I don't need people to agree with my idea to do it at all. I plan on suing people, the only question right now is who and how many. The only down side is the possible negative consequences? Well guess my role is the perfect one for that, I have little money no special role other than my public position which will be gone after day 2 anyways. So really I'm in a position of little risk, big reward here and plan on using that.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't need people to agree with my idea to do it at all. I plan on suing people, the only question right now is who and how many. The only down side is the possible negative consequences? Well guess my role is the perfect one for that, I have little money no special role other than my public position which will be gone after day 2 anyways. So really I'm in a position of little risk, big reward here and plan on using that.

oh I know you don't need people to agree. but it'd make it more effective.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am very vanilla. This game looks confusing. I hope Alant and Anxiety stop asking questions that just confuse me more

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

this makes a lot of sense. As long as it's not a cover for wolves to only fake-sue each other. I think we'd need...multiple people to agree to it all. Which could make it complicated...

That's a good point. That would be a danger in tit-for-tat suing, so it's probably best to make the matchups random.

[Autumn]

Perhaps in our new Republic we should consider making the financial situations of our senators equal. Those who gain the most money would have the exclusive opportunity to protect themselves, prosecute others and ... race horses? This might be dangerous if those who do not wish the best for the Republic amassed the most wealth. If we used lawsuits to redistribute the wealth evenly, all citizens of our great Republic might be safest.

[hoopsguy]

Autumn, how would you propose that we equal out the financial situations?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Perhaps in our new Republic we should consider making the financial situations of our senators equal. Those who gain the most money would have the exclusive opportunity to protect themselves, prosecute others and ... race horses? This might be dangerous if those who do not wish the best for the Republic amassed the most wealth. If we used lawsuits to redistribute the wealth evenly, all citizens of our great Republic might be safest.

I see no reason to believe we should act against the Gods. The Gods have favored some of us and may in the future favor others. However, this idea that we should all be equal goes against their plan.

[Autumn]

I don't know if it would work, but we could attempt to have lower income people sue higher income until everybody ended up listed in the same category. Presumably at that point the result of any bid for services would be rather random.

[hoopsguy]

I guess I don't know how feasible it is for us to have everyone on a level playing field financially. There is definitely an advantage to having someone in a higher financial stratum if they are actively using their wealth to build Rome and remove our enemies. I'm not sure, even as I sit at the bottom of the food chain economically, that I want to mitigate that advantage. I would just encourage us to more heavily scrutinize these people in the early part of the game to root out a wealthy traitor or work towards clearing a potential benefactor.

[path12]

Checking in but I haven't read anything yet and probably won't get a chance tonight. But the good news is that I finally have a working computer at home again! Yay!

[DaddyTorgo]

quiet startup to this game so far. We need to make sure that we get something done tomorrow, whatever it is.

Lately in big complicated games the village seems paralyzed on D1, and that will do us no good. So let's make sure that we have something going on tomorrow, at least in terms of formulating a plan early. I ought to be around for discussion/putting whatever that plan is in motion if it's suing people or whatever.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

By the way, this is far and away the most complicated game I've tried to run, so do bear with me. Ambiguities and mistakes are inevitable, but I will do my best.

THIS DOES NOT BODE WELL FOR MY FEEBLE MIND

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Also, an attorney can be hired for a defense. If we are serious about trying to obtain information about treason (and concede that this is far from a lock) and there are only two attorneys, then I would submit it is in the best interest of the people that the attorney are used to press lawsuits and not defend.

If either of the attorneys have additional insight into the process, or can correct a misconception, please feel free to do so as needed.

easy for you to say, your not the one that might loose money you need for cool services

[Ironhead]

Here is a question on something I am not clear on. Say I decide to file suit against Playerus Zeeus because his favorite color is black. Neither of us obtain a lawyer. Does the suit still go through and what decides who wins the suit since it can conceivably be based on nothing?

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I am very vanilla. This game looks confusing. I hope Alant and Anxiety stop asking questions that just confuse me more

Hmmmm that little bit of info is interesting. *writes a note*

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Ironhead

Here is a question on something I am not clear on. Say I decide to file suit against Playerus Zeeus because his favorite color is black. Neither of us obtain a lawyer. Does the suit still go through and what decides who wins the suit since it can conceivably be based on nothing?

The suit will proceed regardless of whether the players have representation.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

easy for you to say, your not the one that might loose money you need for cool services

So you are saying your wealth is worth more than the republic finding a treasonous member?

[Chief Rum]

I don't really have much to add at this point. I just wanted to check back in again after being out all day.

The next couple days will be hit and miss with me, as I will be working both jobs both Monday and Tuesday. So it will be late night posts and maybe early morning posts during that time.

I should be a bit more free after that.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

One more game note: I will try to keep my inbox open, but with so many players possibly sending pms, it may fill up. In the case that happens, you should send me an email at my gmail address. The address is my user name here, @gmail.com. Try to put "werewolf" in the subject.

Solid. Hope you like porn.

[Grammaticus]

Grammaticus Atticus checking in. Just got back in town, looks like I've got some reading to do.

[KWhit]

I believe the best course of action right now is through bringing lawsuits against each other so that we can try to get more information about each other's allegiances.

Ergo:

KAYUS WHITUS SUES ALANUS TEEUS

[KWhit]

I bring the suit against Alanus Teeus because he holds power over us and if treasonous would be very dangerous. I suggest someone also sue Westvus Fanus.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I believe the best course of action right now is through bringing lawsuits against each other so that we can try to get more information about each other's allegiances.

Ergo:

KAYUS WHITUS SUES ALANUS TEEUS

I am ok with this, as I have little to hide and you likely won't get any great sum of money from me. In addition to sueing Westvus Fanus, we probably want to look at people who might be future Consul choices. As I my term as Consul is over after tommorrow, we'll want two new people who we feel comfortable with to elect at that point. Considering a possible future backlog in the courts, we might want to prioritize some of those earlier rather than later.

ALANUS TEEUS SUES HOOPUS GUYUS.

He seemed to back my thoughts fairly early which gives me pause for concern. Instead of chasing those fears down rabbit holes for days, it seems to make sense to try to quickly figure out if he is with us or against us as best we can. If he is indeed loyal to the republic, he could be a very influential and vocal Senator pushing the cause for good and not a bad choice for a future Consul. If he has any evidence of traitorous actions, we should throw him off the rock without a second thought.

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Alan T

So you are saying your wealth is worth more than the republic finding a treasonous member?

no, i just dont like frivilous lawsuits that only benifit lawyers and thier greedy ilk

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

no, i just dont like frivilous lawsuits that only benifit lawyers and thier greedy ilk

1) Lawyers aren't necessarily a part of the lawsuits

2) I've already shown a way that lawsuits could possibly help us find treasonous individuals in the senate.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

2 lawyers

There will be two additional public roles, the Best Lawyer in Rome, and the Second Best Lawyer in Rome. The lawyers may be hired by any player. When you have hired a lawyer, he may be used in the following ways:



- to defend yourself from an accusation of treason (this will be more effective if the player is, in fact, innocent)

- to represent you in a lawsuit (more on this later)

- you may appoint him as the Senate's lawyer, and prosecute a charge of treason (this will be more effective if the player is, in fact, guilty)



When a player who has hired a lawyer dies, that lawyer becomes richer. Lawyers have some other abilities which are a secret.

THE PUBLIC ROLES LISTED ABOVE MAY BE EITHER REPUBLICANS OR TARQUINISTS TO BEGIN THE GAME

Apparently the secret abilities are unknown to the lawyers themselves. All I know is I'm the 2nd best lawyer in town, loyal to the republic, and I must have about 3 wives if I'm not one of the wealthiest people in town.

[Barkeep49]

Do people like the idea of suing others randomly? If so I'm prepared to go to our old friend random.org and roll it up.

[Passacaglia]

Checking in for Marcus Vaughanus. I don't think I'll make many waves, since I'm only filling in for one day, and it's just Day 1.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Do people like the idea of suing others randomly? If so I'm prepared to go to our old friend random.org and roll it up.

I would hope that even though its day one and nothing is really overly clear to us, that people could at least formulate some strategy or reasoning for why they chose the person they chose to sue. I would like to think that I tried to do the best I could on a day 1 in my own action, and would prefer things to be less random when possible.

[Poli]

If I'm hired to represent someone, does that keep me from suing someone myself?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

If I'm hired to represent someone, does that keep me from suing someone myself?

No.

[hoopsguy]

I'm fine with the lawsuit - I won't slide any further down the economics scale, so nothing lost on that front. I'm also loyal to Rome and if being sued a few times is the best way to prove this then so be it.

I'll put my lawsuit on a new senator, one who has relatively little reputation amongst our numbers. I was worried earlier that his statements did not demonstrate an understanding of the wealth system in our state - something that might prove true of a Tarq.

HOOPUS GUYUS SUES AUTUMNUS LEAVUS

[DaddyTorgo]

morning. what's up?

[Autumn]

This strategy makes sense to me. However, if not random, I think we need some form of matchmaking in the suits. We don't know yet how the treasonous information may come to light. If the suitor is the only one who will be told this information, then if there are traitors among us they would be sure to sue each other. I'm willing to press a suit on one of the prominent members of our Senate, but it would make best sense to me if we had people other than ourselves choose the suits.