Who wins House Speaker? - Page 2

flere-imsaho · 10-11-2023, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

David Duke beat out Denny Hastert as I saw one pundit put it.

This is fantastic.

GrantDawg · 10-11-2023, 08:08 PM

It's more than four. Buck said 7, with 7 more undecided.

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CrimsonFox · 10-11-2023, 08:34 PM

Elect Nancy Pelosi we can do this

NobodyHere · 10-11-2023, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Elect Ralph Wiggum we can do this

Fixed

SirFozzie · 10-11-2023, 11:06 PM

elect Barack Obama. As a scientific experiment to see if spontaneous human combustion is truly impossible (of Donald Trump and MAGA-nation, of course)

albionmoonlight · 10-12-2023, 07:46 AM

The best thing the media could do now is leave.

Just tell the GOP to let us know when they are ready to vote on a Speaker and go cover something else in the meantime.

As long as there are hundreds of cameras and microphones around, the showhorses are going to keep strutting.

As soon as the cameras leave, the Congressfolk will shrug and elect someone.

GrantDawg · 10-12-2023, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The best thing the media could do now is leave.

Just tell the GOP to let us know when they are ready to vote on a Speaker and go cover something else in the meantime.

As long as there are hundreds of cameras and microphones around, the showhorses are going to keep strutting.

As soon as the cameras leave, the Congressfolk will shrug and elect someone.

Of course that is never going to happen. All of this is political reporters wet dream.

Ksyrup · 10-12-2023, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The best thing the media could do now is leave.

Just tell the GOP to let us know when they are ready to vote on a Speaker and go cover something else in the meantime.

As long as there are hundreds of cameras and microphones around, the showhorses are going to keep strutting.

As soon as the cameras leave, the Congressfolk will shrug and elect someone.

Except Gaetz. The putz who started the whole thing was apparently in FL with Trump. As unserious a politician as there has ever been.

JPhillips · 10-12-2023, 10:01 AM

The GOP's inability to come together to complete the most basic of tasks is legit news. Pretending as if this is normal just encourages more fuckery in the future.

GrantDawg · 10-12-2023, 11:11 AM

Consider the source, but Newsmax is reporting Scalise is going to drop out of the race. Others are going to jump in.

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Galaril · 10-12-2023, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Consider the source, but Newsmax is reporting Scalise is going to drop out of the race. Others are going to jump in.

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What a clown show.

Ksyrup · 10-12-2023, 01:44 PM

And Jeffries with the perfect PR move of offering to partner with the GOP to elect a sane Speaker.

All they really need is 4 GOPers to cross the line, one of whom would be the Speaker nomination. I'm sure it's career suicide, but hell, as many GOPers who have retired and then made their opinions known, surely there are 4 moderates who already see the writing on the wall and know their positions are short-lived anyway, so why not take the Cheney/Kinzinger route?

GrantDawg · 10-12-2023, 05:38 PM

Mike Rogers came out the meetings today and told the press he doesn't see any way there will be a Speaker that will gain 217 Republican votes and is asking the Democrats to help. That's one.

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RainMaker · 10-12-2023, 05:50 PM

Some good old game theory taking place. I wonder if they could convince 4 Republicans to vote for some like Brian Fitzpatrick as a stopgap till the election.

GrantDawg · 10-12-2023, 06:14 PM

Just a guess, but I think they would need more than 4. I think there would be Democrats that will refuse to vote for a GOP speaker. Idk that number, but I am guessing more than a couple.

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RainMaker · 10-12-2023, 06:31 PM

Is there a chance Santos steps down? I mean those new charges are pretty damning and at some point don't they have to expel him?

GrantDawg · 10-12-2023, 06:46 PM

I think he and Menedez will have to be expelled.

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miami_fan · 10-12-2023, 08:24 PM

He gone!

Steve Scalise drops out of speaker's race as House GOP faces leadership crisis | CNN Politics

SirFozzie · 10-12-2023, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

He gone!

Steve Scalise drops out of speaker's race as House GOP faces leadership crisis | CNN Politics

Best/worst line: "He took his ball and went home" (considering his injuries from the shooting).

I don't see how the Republicans get to a speaker any time soon.

Edward64 · 10-12-2023, 11:23 PM

MSM should have a ‘Days without a Speaker’ and ‘Days until Nov 17’

Edward64 · 10-13-2023, 01:58 PM

Be nice for GA to have the House Speaker. And not an election denier!

Go Austin Scott!

GrantDawg · 10-13-2023, 03:24 PM

He is what passes as a moderate these days, but that probably dooms him in the GOP.

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RainMaker · 10-13-2023, 03:36 PM

Can they just go alphabetically down the list to get an up/down vote and see who gets the most votes and then decide that person is the speaker?

RainMaker · 10-13-2023, 03:37 PM

My civics is a bit rusty but is Speaker all that important? Seems like a lot of procedural stuff and bloviating to the media. Like it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Thomkal · 10-13-2023, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

My civics is a bit rusty but is Speaker all that important? Seems like a lot of procedural stuff and bloviating to the media. Like it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Technically they cannot do any "business" in the House until a Speaker is elected. So the only thing the temporary guy can do is gavel it in to order then suspend for the day.

flere-imsaho · 10-13-2023, 03:47 PM

The procedural stuff is how everything works. Nothing happens without the procedural stuff.

GrantDawg · 10-13-2023, 04:08 PM

They are also third in line of succession.

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GrantDawg · 10-13-2023, 04:12 PM

Looks like Jordan won the vote. Still not enough votes to be named Speaker, but he is the official nominee.

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RainMaker · 10-13-2023, 04:14 PM

Can't they just find an old, quiet guy in the party they can make the Speaker? Just a boring person who will call up votes and that's it.

GrantDawg · 10-13-2023, 04:23 PM

The best thing that could happen is putting someone in that will just allow votes. The GOP would still have the majority, so it isn't like anything radical could get through, but there are things the majority would agree to that a partisan Speaker would prevent ever getting to a vote.

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bronconick · 10-13-2023, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Can't they just find an old, quiet guy in the party they can make the Speaker? Just a boring person who will call up votes and that's it.

They all retired or got primaried by a typical Republican nutcase.

SirFozzie · 10-13-2023, 05:01 PM

More than 50+ no's to the informal vote "Will you support Jordan on the floor". I don't see how this is going to work any better then Scalise and McCarthy before him.

The centrist dems are offering to support McHenry in 15 day increments, allowing them to bring Ukraine/Israel aid to the floor, as well as FY2024 budgets and CR. In return they'd get 50% of the suspension bills,. (used for non-controversial bills *, scheduled by the Speaker, that requires a 2/3'ds majority to pass.

* yes, to the crazies, ANY bill that doesn't allow them to grandstand about "Owning the Libs" is controversial, but by that I mean stuff that vast majorities agree to in each conference, but because the Crazies have blocking power in the GOP never could get scheduled for a vote.

SirFozzie · 10-13-2023, 05:07 PM

dola:

The last few years have been the Republican Party facing the baying MAGA mob, and turning up the crazy, one notch at a time, all while looking to the crowd to fundraise (and secretly hope the MAGA side will be satisfied, which they never are), and the centrists are like "Hey, can we just like, turn the crazy knob back one or two notches, hmm?" while of course, the Gaetz of the world are attaching a jet engine powered drill to the crazy knob and spinning it up to Mach 3.

Atocep · 10-13-2023, 05:14 PM

124-81 on Jordan

I think there will likely be more hard no votes on Jordan than Scalise, but who knows anything at this point.

RainMaker · 10-13-2023, 05:27 PM

How many votes can the afford to lose?

bronconick · 10-13-2023, 05:31 PM

If they took their phones away and banned them from Fox News or their imitations, they'd probably have a new Speaker in about 20 minutes. They're all about nothing but performative art and fundraising, as we'll see all Sunday.

SirFozzie · 10-13-2023, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

How many votes can the afford to lose?

He needs 217-218 to win. So, if more than 4 republicans vote against him (and the dems vote en bloc against them), he won't reach it. same situation that doomed McCarthy. If it requires GOP only votes to put them in, then there's no moderate the crazies will accept, and no crazy the moderates will accept, because the margins are so thin

Ksyrup · 10-13-2023, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

124-81 on Jordan

I think there will likely be more hard no votes on Jordan than Scalise, but who knows anything at this point.

What concerns me is that the normals will eventually feel the pressure to do SOMETHING because they recognize (and care) about how bad a look this is for the GOP and the timing of a government shutdown and what's going on in Israel, so they just give in. On the flipside, the crazies don't care about anything but pure chaos so they aren't fazed in the least. You put someone like Jordan up, and he's going to eventually win. I don't know if it will be Jordan, but eventually, one of them will win. They are counting on the normals doing the "right" thing, which works to their favor.

Edward64 · 10-13-2023, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

What concerns me is that the normals will eventually feel the pressure to do SOMETHING because they recognize (and care) about how bad a look this is for the GOP and the timing of a government shutdown and what's going on in Israel, so they just give in. On the flipside, the crazies don't care about anything but pure chaos so they aren't fazed in the least. You put someone like Jordan up, and he's going to eventually win. I don't know if it will be Jordan, but eventually, one of them will win. They are counting on the normals doing the "right" thing, which works to their favor.

You've got a good point.

But then the normals have another alternative. Work with the Dems to come up with a compromise candidate.

There's a point of dysfunction (let's say sometime around Nov 17 budget thing) where the normals should have a better/convincing rationale (blame the crazies) to share with their districts on why they worked with the Dems.

Ksyrup · 10-13-2023, 09:01 PM

That would be a more shocking result than Trump as Speaker. I hope I'm wrong, but nothing I've seen suggests that is in the realm of possibility.

Edward64 · 10-13-2023, 09:06 PM

Data and Mr. Spock would put it at 2.94% probability.

flere-imsaho · 10-13-2023, 09:09 PM

The "normals" will lose their seats if they work with Democrats to restore some sanity. But if their true interest is in good governance, then they will put the good of the country above their own personal interests.

Which means it won't happen.

SirFozzie · 10-13-2023, 10:05 PM

and the hardliners are calling them wimps pretty much to their faces.

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/statu...81083250209269

GrantDawg · 10-13-2023, 10:07 PM

McCarthy has already came out in support for him. He is probably right. Republicans always cave to the nuts.

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CrimsonFox · 10-14-2023, 01:23 PM

So Trump paid off Scalise to drop out

(with monopoly money of course)

CrimsonFox · 10-14-2023, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

124-81 on Jordan

I think there will likely be more hard no votes on Jordan than Scalise, but who knows anything at this point.

that's what articales are saying. That he has at least 20 hard no votes from the rep side

GrantDawg · 10-14-2023, 02:53 PM

This seems to be gaining steam: More and more centrist House Dems coming out for empowering McHenry temporarily: pic.twitter.com/F1FOrN71U6 — Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) October 14, 2023

Edward64 · 10-14-2023, 05:41 PM

I read that McHenry has rebuffed it (for now at least)

Eagerly awaiting next weeks made for TV drama.

CrimsonFox · 10-14-2023, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

I read that McHenry has rebuffed it (for now at least)

Eagerly awaiting next weeks made for TV drama.

Edward64 · 10-15-2023, 02:20 PM

So below is from a Politico article today.

Am I having reading comprehension issues or should they have a discussion with their copy editor/intern?

House Democratic leader Jeffries says 'informal' discussions underway on speakership mess - POLITICO

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House Dem leader: ‘Informal’ discussions underway on speakership mess

The House has been with an official speaker since Oct. 3.

Also, if Jordan fails next week, who is up next for consideration? McCarthy, re-cycle Scalise, another dark horse candidate?

View Poll Results: Who wins House Speaker?
Jordan	6	23.08%
Scalise	4	15.38%
McCarthy	2	7.69%
Jeffries	1	3.85%
Trout	13	50.00%
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

10-11-2023, 11:06 PM	#55
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	elect Barack Obama. As a scientific experiment to see if spontaneous human combustion is truly impossible (of Donald Trump and MAGA-nation, of course) __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-12-2023, 07:46 AM	#56
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	The best thing the media could do now is leave. Just tell the GOP to let us know when they are ready to vote on a Speaker and go cover something else in the meantime. As long as there are hundreds of cameras and microphones around, the showhorses are going to keep strutting. As soon as the cameras leave, the Congressfolk will shrug and elect someone. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 10-12-2023 at 07:47 AM.

10-12-2023, 10:01 AM	#59
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The GOP's inability to come together to complete the most basic of tasks is legit news. Pretending as if this is normal just encourages more fuckery in the future. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

10-12-2023, 01:44 PM	#62
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	And Jeffries with the perfect PR move of offering to partner with the GOP to elect a sane Speaker. All they really need is 4 GOPers to cross the line, one of whom would be the Speaker nomination. I'm sure it's career suicide, but hell, as many GOPers who have retired and then made their opinions known, surely there are 4 moderates who already see the writing on the wall and know their positions are short-lived anyway, so why not take the Cheney/Kinzinger route? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-11-2023, 08:08 PM	#52
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	It's more than four. Buck said 7, with 7 more undecided. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

10-11-2023, 08:34 PM	#53
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Elect Nancy Pelosi we can do this

10-12-2023, 11:11 AM	#60
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Consider the source, but Newsmax is reporting Scalise is going to drop out of the race. Others are going to jump in. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

10-12-2023, 05:38 PM	#63
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Mike Rogers came out the meetings today and told the press he doesn't see any way there will be a Speaker that will gain 217 Republican votes and is asking the Democrats to help. That's one. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk Last edited by GrantDawg : 10-12-2023 at 05:46 PM.

10-12-2023, 05:50 PM	#64
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Some good old game theory taking place. I wonder if they could convince 4 Republicans to vote for some like Brian Fitzpatrick as a stopgap till the election.

10-12-2023, 06:14 PM	#65
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Just a guess, but I think they would need more than 4. I think there would be Democrats that will refuse to vote for a GOP speaker. Idk that number, but I am guessing more than a couple. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

10-12-2023, 06:31 PM	#66
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Is there a chance Santos steps down? I mean those new charges are pretty damning and at some point don't they have to expel him?

10-12-2023, 06:46 PM	#67
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	I think he and Menedez will have to be expelled. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

10-12-2023, 08:24 PM	#68
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	He gone! Steve Scalise drops out of speaker's race as House GOP faces leadership crisis \| CNN Politics __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

10-12-2023, 11:23 PM	#70
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	MSM should have a ‘Days without a Speaker’ and ‘Days until Nov 17’

10-13-2023, 01:58 PM	#71
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	Be nice for GA to have the House Speaker. And not an election denier! Go Austin Scott!

10-13-2023, 03:24 PM	#72
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	He is what passes as a moderate these days, but that probably dooms him in the GOP. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

10-13-2023, 03:36 PM	#73
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Can they just go alphabetically down the list to get an up/down vote and see who gets the most votes and then decide that person is the speaker?

10-13-2023, 03:37 PM	#74
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	My civics is a bit rusty but is Speaker all that important? Seems like a lot of procedural stuff and bloviating to the media. Like it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

10-13-2023, 03:47 PM	#76
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	The procedural stuff is how everything works. Nothing happens without the procedural stuff.

10-13-2023, 04:08 PM	#77
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	They are also third in line of succession. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

10-13-2023, 04:12 PM	#78
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Looks like Jordan won the vote. Still not enough votes to be named Speaker, but he is the official nominee. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

10-13-2023, 04:14 PM	#79
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Can't they just find an old, quiet guy in the party they can make the Speaker? Just a boring person who will call up votes and that's it.

10-13-2023, 04:23 PM	#80
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	The best thing that could happen is putting someone in that will just allow votes. The GOP would still have the majority, so it isn't like anything radical could get through, but there are things the majority would agree to that a partisan Speaker would prevent ever getting to a vote. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

10-13-2023, 05:01 PM	#82
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	More than 50+ no's to the informal vote "Will you support Jordan on the floor". I don't see how this is going to work any better then Scalise and McCarthy before him. The centrist dems are offering to support McHenry in 15 day increments, allowing them to bring Ukraine/Israel aid to the floor, as well as FY2024 budgets and CR. In return they'd get 50% of the suspension bills,. (used for non-controversial bills , scheduled by the Speaker, that requires a 2/3'ds majority to pass. yes, to the crazies, ANY bill that doesn't allow them to grandstand about "Owning the Libs" is controversial, but by that I mean stuff that vast majorities agree to in each conference, but because the Crazies have blocking power in the GOP never could get scheduled for a vote. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-13-2023, 05:07 PM	#83
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	dola: The last few years have been the Republican Party facing the baying MAGA mob, and turning up the crazy, one notch at a time, all while looking to the crowd to fundraise (and secretly hope the MAGA side will be satisfied, which they never are), and the centrists are like "Hey, can we just like, turn the crazy knob back one or two notches, hmm?" while of course, the Gaetz of the world are attaching a jet engine powered drill to the crazy knob and spinning it up to Mach 3. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-13-2023, 05:14 PM	#84
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	124-81 on Jordan I think there will likely be more hard no votes on Jordan than Scalise, but who knows anything at this point.

10-13-2023, 05:27 PM	#85
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	How many votes can the afford to lose?

10-13-2023, 05:31 PM	#86
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	If they took their phones away and banned them from Fox News or their imitations, they'd probably have a new Speaker in about 20 minutes. They're all about nothing but performative art and fundraising, as we'll see all Sunday.

10-13-2023, 09:01 PM	#90
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	That would be a more shocking result than Trump as Speaker. I hope I'm wrong, but nothing I've seen suggests that is in the realm of possibility. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 10-13-2023 at 09:02 PM.

10-13-2023, 09:06 PM	#91
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	Data and Mr. Spock would put it at 2.94% probability.

10-13-2023, 09:09 PM	#92
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	The "normals" will lose their seats if they work with Democrats to restore some sanity. But if their true interest is in good governance, then they will put the good of the country above their own personal interests. Which means it won't happen.

10-13-2023, 10:05 PM	#93
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	and the hardliners are calling them wimps pretty much to their faces. https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/statu...81083250209269 __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-13-2023, 10:07 PM	#94
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	McCarthy has already came out in support for him. He is probably right. Republicans always cave to the nuts. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

10-14-2023, 01:23 PM	#95
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	So Trump paid off Scalise to drop out (with monopoly money of course)