What do we know about Condi Rice? - Page 2

stevew · 11-16-2004, 12:25 AM

I dont think Condi will be able to get over the 9/11 issue. She is forever scarred.

Young Drachma · 11-16-2004, 12:49 AM

I think America is a lot closer to a black president than people realize. Not because of some great feeling of warmth in this country towards colored folks, but more because people are getting fed up and say what you will..Hillary will run and win the Dem nomination in '08...Kerry's loss ensured that.

So, the GOP can't very well run a white guy against her. He'll lose to history. Believe it. Condi doesn't strike me as the one they'd run, though getting money wouldn't be super difficult and she'd have Bush I and II's support.

As for darkhorses that haven't been mentioned, surprised they haven't talked about resurfacing J.C. Watts for a cabinet nod someplace. He's been quiet for a few years, surely he'll want to come back to Capitol Hill and I can't see Bush not wanting to appoint a certain number of minorities to key spots, just to have one more thing to rub (rightfully so) in the face of the Dems.

JeeberD · 11-16-2004, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

She was engaged to Jerry Rice?

Nah, to Jeff Garcia. That dude is a P.I.M.P.

mattwakeman · 11-16-2004, 03:42 AM

What's the big deal about having a woman president anyway? Why is so hard to imagine that this could happen?

Peregrine · 11-16-2004, 04:36 AM

Another interesting Condi Rice fact, her birthday just passed on November 14th, when she turned 50. Doesn't look 50 to me!

Joe · 11-16-2004, 06:42 AM

Condi is so freaking hot

Joe · 11-16-2004, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I think America is a lot closer to a black president than people realize.

Alan Keyes...?

Ben E Lou · 11-16-2004, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

As for darkhorses that haven't been mentioned, surprised they haven't talked about resurfacing J.C. Watts for a cabinet nod someplace. He's been quiet for a few years, surely he'll want to come back to Capitol Hill and I can't see Bush not wanting to appoint a certain number of minorities to key spots, just to have one more thing to rub (rightfully so) in the face of the Dems.

Didn't Watts say that his political career was over when he left Congress?

That being said, I think a Watts run (I would think he'd almost have to run as Veep if it was in '08...) would be a very, very interesting-to-watch campaign. Old political bedfellows could really get shaken up.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-16-2004, 08:51 AM

I'm pretty much with {gulp} HA on this one, at least in terms of his timeline.
And even what he wrote might be generous in those terms.

The most astute thing I've seen in this thread was from whoever said that
Hillary vs Condi would open the door for a legimitate contender from a 3rd party.
For example, something like McCain/Lieberman vs Hillary/Dem vs Condi/Rep
(No, I haven't done the math on McCain & Lieberman, not sure what their interests and/or willingness might be by then, they're just an example)

BigJohn&TheLions · 11-16-2004, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

No shit huh.I think a woman and or a black person will be president in the near future (next 25 years) and that will be good for America.

I believe the first black president, man or woman, will be a republican. The democrats wouldn't dare to run a minority or woman for the top office because they would be wary of alienating the white male vote. (They already have a good part of the female and minorty votes.) The republicans would then be smart to run a minority or female candidate to pick up votes from the democrats, because it is more likely that someone who is a republican who also happens to be prejudice would put their prejudice fears aside and vote for a conservative woman or minority candidate than vote for a liberal. Of course, for this to happen the democrats would probably have to be in office already and put the republicans on the offensive, trying to claim the office...

BigJohn&TheLions · 11-16-2004, 09:20 AM

ANd Condi is hot, in a wierd, giant-brain, Mars Attacks, kind of way... (and a sign you are getting older is when you start looking at cabinet members and thinking "Yeah... I'd hit that!")

Peregrine · 11-16-2004, 09:28 AM

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and a sign you are getting older is when you start looking at cabinet members and thinking "Yeah... I'd hit that!")

Lol, classic sig material.

scooper · 11-16-2004, 09:31 AM

Condi is a domer

but...she's tight with Willingham

Ben E Lou · 11-16-2004, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn&TheLions

(and a sign you are getting older is when you start looking at cabinet members and thinking "Yeah... I'd hit that!")

Absolute, unadulterated, 14-karat GOLD!

QuikSand · 11-16-2004, 09:38 AM

Condi, as nearly as I can tell, has a bit of an elusive quality among politicians -- she is not only articulate, but comes across as knowledgeable and persuasive. I confess that I don't know a lot about her own policies or agenda -- but as a mouthpiece for the Bush Administration, I have consistently found here to be pretty effective, even on the occasions when I haven't really agreed with her.

This, more than anything, is the reason why people are suddenly starting to speculate about her for higher office. When you see someone who generally agrees with you, but who can speak effectively (and without sounding like a pandering politician, which is the much more common form of "being articulate" in the field) it's immediately tempting to think about higher possibilities.

And, despite her obvious divisiveness, this is the same reason why people are so enamored with Hillary Clinton's potential. She, too, is an articulate and effective speaker and advocate for her positions -- and that is a characteristic that, all else equal, would certainly have been enough to win the White House in each of the last two elections (not that this is a wholly fair comparison -- but certainly if either Mr. Gore or Mr. Kerry had anywhere near her presence they woudl have won).

flere-imsaho · 11-16-2004, 10:10 AM

I'm disappointed, but not surprised, at her appointment to Secretary of State. The reason for this is that she is, essentially, a classic brainy think-tank Cold Warrior. As such, I object to her appointment on two basic grounds:

1. Inability to effectively manage people, organizations and information as shown by her lackluster performance as NSA.

2. Inability to move beyond the Cold War mindset. When I've heard her speak (or written what she has spoken), it is clear to me that she's been unable to shed the type of intelligence thinking that was de rigeur during the Cold War. A monolithic enemy, playing by the same rules; technical intelligence over informal, personal, "dirty" intelligence; an understanding of the world in black-and-white terms; and, most critically, a "statist" view of a world that increasingly has a number of "non-state" powers and influences.

While I'm sure that she's intelligent and well-read enough to provide the administration with a number of valuable insights (which should be taken into context and compared to other insights), I don't think she's the right person for the job, from either a day-to-day or strategic standpoint.

Having said that, this appointment does not surprise me. Bush appears to value loyalty and personality as much, if not more, than ability and results when making Cabinet appointments. Best of luck to him in his 2nd term.

Anthony · 11-16-2004, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

I'd have thought a black man would become President before a woman.

that's what i meant. a black man will become a President long before we allow a black woman. too radical for us right now - last i checked the Ole Boy Network were still holding the reigns.

Anthony · 11-16-2004, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Is Condi a lesbian? She isnt married. Has she been married before?

YES! and yet another reason why she wouldn't stand a chance (i don't believe i'm actually even bothering to argue her chances). not only is she black and a woman - she's not even considered a Family Woman. what male Presidential candidate ever stood a chance without being surrounded by the traditional family unit (and a family pet too?!?).

Rice is just too Murphy Brown for America. we want our female politicians to be June Cleavers in suits. which is why Clinton also doesn't stand a chance. the woman looks as if she'd eat her young.

rkmsuf · 11-16-2004, 10:20 AM

June Cleaver was a wild one in the sack I'm told.

QuikSand · 11-16-2004, 10:26 AM

Inevitable "beaver" joke in five...four...three...

Anthony · 11-16-2004, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'm pretty much with {gulp} HA on this one, at least in terms of his timeline.
And even what he wrote might be generous in those terms.

The most astute thing I've seen in this thread was from whoever said that
Hillary vs Condi would open the door for a legimitate contender from a 3rd party.
For example, something like McCain/Lieberman vs Hillary/Dem vs Condi/Rep
(No, I haven't done the math on McCain & Lieberman, not sure what their interests and/or willingness might be by then, they're just an example)

i'd vote for McCain regardless of who the other parties were.

and yes, i was consciously trying to be somewhat generous with my timeline, i didn't want to risk sounding overly racist. just trying to say that by taking the pulse of America i don't think we're there yet to even start playing fantasy.

i have every belief a female President could be as effective as a male in office - my only concern is how we'd look globally and how serious a female President would be taken by other world leaders.

flere-imsaho · 11-16-2004, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

my only concern is how we'd look globally and how serious a female President would be taken by other world leaders.

Did the years 1979 - 1990 pass you by?

Anthony · 11-16-2004, 10:35 AM

we're America though, we're held to a different standard. the world wants shoot 'em up, whiskey drinking, beef eating Cowboys and by golly that's what we have to give them.

Noop · 11-16-2004, 10:41 AM

Obama should and will be President one day...

Samdari · 11-16-2004, 10:44 AM

I am stunned to see the revelations about some finding her attractive. I was entering this thread simply to post that the one thing we all know is that she is less attractive than Dick Cheney. And I see some people think her pig face is attractive. Ye Gods, guys, if you are that attracted to power simply have your sexual plaything of choice pick up a uniform at a military surplus store, but stop with the public suggestions of Condie as a toy. It is messing with what little sleep I already get these days.

Anthony · 11-16-2004, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Obama should and will be President one day...

i like saying his name, that's gotta count for something.

Noop · 11-16-2004, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i like saying his name, that's gotta count for something.

I am serious. When I see him I see someone who can connect with people... white, black and yellow or sand. Obama for President.

Ben E Lou · 11-16-2004, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Obama should and will be President one day...

His biggest advantage right now is his age. If he were 50 now, he wouldn't have a prayer. His record (despite his centrist speech at the convention) is way too liberal right now. Unless either he or the country changes pretty radically in the next 30 years, he doesn't have much of a chance, per BJ&TL's post, which I generally agree with.

flere-imsaho · 11-16-2004, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

we're America though, we're held to a different standard.

Not really.

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

the world wants shoot 'em up, whiskey drinking, beef eating Cowboys and by golly that's what we have to give them.

No they don't, actually.

Anthony · 11-16-2004, 10:57 AM

thanks for using 6 words total to debate my statements. kindly exit the stage please and let someone who actually has an opinion take your place.

rkmsuf · 11-16-2004, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Osama should and will be President one day...

Whoa

Anthony · 11-16-2004, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Absolute, unadulterated, 14-karat GOLD!

so you honestly want World Leaders to say that about your President? you don't want your President to be a respected (and feared somewhat) figure? you'd rather the World Leaders all sit together in the guy's lockerroom at a golf course passing a doobie around saying how many positions they could stick it in Rice?

i could just imagine the French president sipping on his 40 oz saying "I would put it in zee ass".

Ben E Lou · 11-16-2004, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i could just imagine the French president sipping on his 40 oz saying "I would put it in zee ass".

They'd already love to do it to us figuratively if they could, so what's the big deal?

cartman · 11-16-2004, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

so you honestly want World Leaders to say that about your President? you don't want your President to be a respected (and feared somewhat) figure? you'd rather the World Leaders all sit together in the guy's lockerroom at a golf course passing a doobie around saying how many positions they could stick it in Rice?

i could just imagine the French president sipping on his 40 oz saying "I would put it in zee ass".

Do you actually think that Bush is respected as a leader worldwide? Yes he is feared, because he is commander-in-chief of the largest military in the world, and people do not trust he has the ability to properly handle this role.

I've seen first hand how little he is respected in other countries. If he is so respected worldwide, then why did 80+% of people worldwide not want the US to re-elect him? To many people outside the US, he is merely a cartoon figure, not a presidential figure.

sachmo71 · 11-16-2004, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

I am stunned to see the revelations about some finding her attractive. I was entering this thread simply to post that the one thing we all know is that she is less attractive than Dick Cheney. And I see some people think her pig face is attractive. Ye Gods, guys, if you are that attracted to power simply have your sexual plaything of choice pick up a uniform at a military surplus store, but stop with the public suggestions of Condie as a toy. It is messing with what little sleep I already get these days.

She's smokin' hot!

SunDancer · 11-16-2004, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

She's smokin' hot!

For some reason, Condi reminds me of that black girl from the first season of Trump's show.

SunDancer · 11-16-2004, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

His biggest advantage right now is his age. If he were 50 now, he wouldn't have a prayer. His record (despite his centrist speech at the convention) is way too liberal right now. Unless either he or the country changes pretty radically in the next 30 years, he doesn't have much of a chance, per BJ&TL's post, which I generally agree with.

Agree, he's way too liberal.

Anthony · 11-16-2004, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SunDancer

For some reason, Condi reminds me of that black girl from the first season of Trump's show.

Omarossa.

DanGarion · 11-16-2004, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

then again, she also lived in SF...and we ALL know what that means...

Niners fan?

fantastic flying froggies · 11-16-2004, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Do you actually think that Bush is respected as a leader worldwide? Yes he is feared, because he is commander-in-chief of the largest military in the world, and people do not trust he has the ability to properly handle this role.

I've seen first hand how little he is respected in other countries. If he is so respected worldwide, then why did 80+% of people worldwide not want the US to re-elect him? To many people outside the US, he is merely a cartoon figure, not a presidential figure.

Agreed. President Bush is generally perceived in Europe as a puppet, and not a very bright one at that.

fantastic flying froggies · 11-16-2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

They'd already love to do it to us figuratively if they could, so what's the big deal?

No, you got it wrong. We'de like you to stop doing it to us figuratively...

rkmsuf · 11-16-2004, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fantastic flying froggies

Agreed. President Bush is generally perceived in Europe as a puppet, and not a very bright one at that.

Now Clinton, he was a playa.

DanGarion · 11-16-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mattwakeman

What's the big deal about having a woman president anyway? Why is so hard to imagine that this could happen?

Because there are a lot of racist, sexist Americans...

Noop · 11-16-2004, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dangarion

Because there are a lot of racist, sexist Americans...

I agree.

mattwakeman · 11-16-2004, 12:14 PM

I just find it very strange that the idea of a woman candidate (let alone a president) receives such a negative response. But to go vaguely back OT I recall reading somewhere about doubts over the academic abilitiest that Condi Rice has as well as the idea that she chose to study what she did purely with an idea of how it would help her political aspirations (not that there is anything wrong with that of course).

Glengoyne · 11-16-2004, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dangarion

Because there are a lot of racist, sexist Americans...

I'm thinking fewer than you think though.

DanGarion · 11-16-2004, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I'm thinking fewer than you think though.

Fewer then would admit it. That's the problem, there are lots of closet racists and sexists.

Ben E Lou · 11-16-2004, 12:40 PM

Dubya just made the nomination official:

Bush nominates Rice as secretary of state

BREAKING NEWS

President Bush today announced his nomination of national security adviser Condoleezza Rice to be his next secretary of state. Rice will succeed Colin Powell, who announced his resignation Monday.

DEVELOPING STORY

judicial clerk · 11-16-2004, 12:47 PM

Obama is an effective communicator, and that will take him far.

Aside form Thatcher, Pakistan and India have both had women leaders who were respected enough throughout the world (as far as I know)

I think it will be hard for Condi, or any other republican, to win the next election. How long has any one party consecutively held on to the presidency?

I think we are closer to having a black man as president than a woman only because of Powell. If he was interested, he would make a strong candidate. much stronger than any woman out there.

Ben E Lou · 11-16-2004, 12:50 PM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if the Dems are smart strategists, they'll take a hard look at Sanford Bishop.

11-16-2004, 12:49 AM	#52
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I think America is a lot closer to a black president than people realize. Not because of some great feeling of warmth in this country towards colored folks, but more because people are getting fed up and say what you will..Hillary will run and win the Dem nomination in '08...Kerry's loss ensured that. So, the GOP can't very well run a white guy against her. He'll lose to history. Believe it. Condi doesn't strike me as the one they'd run, though getting money wouldn't be super difficult and she'd have Bush I and II's support. As for darkhorses that haven't been mentioned, surprised they haven't talked about resurfacing J.C. Watts for a cabinet nod someplace. He's been quiet for a few years, surely he'll want to come back to Capitol Hill and I can't see Bush not wanting to appoint a certain number of minorities to key spots, just to have one more thing to rub (rightfully so) in the face of the Dems. __________________ Current dynasty: OOTP25 Blitz: RTS meets Moneyball \| OOTP Mod: GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

11-16-2004, 03:42 AM	#54
mattwakeman Mascot Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cold, old England	What's the big deal about having a woman president anyway? Why is so hard to imagine that this could happen? __________________ Carpe Diem

11-16-2004, 08:51 AM	#59
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I'm pretty much with {gulp} HA on this one, at least in terms of his timeline. And even what he wrote might be generous in those terms. The most astute thing I've seen in this thread was from whoever said that Hillary vs Condi would open the door for a legimitate contender from a 3rd party. For example, something like McCain/Lieberman vs Hillary/Dem vs Condi/Rep (No, I haven't done the math on McCain & Lieberman, not sure what their interests and/or willingness might be by then, they're just an example) __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-16-2004, 09:20 AM	#61
BigJohn&TheLions College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	ANd Condi is hot, in a wierd, giant-brain, Mars Attacks, kind of way... (and a sign you are getting older is when you start looking at cabinet members and thinking "Yeah... I'd hit that!") __________________ In the immortal words of a great alcoholic, "Can't we all just get along?"

11-16-2004, 10:20 AM	#69
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	June Cleaver was a wild one in the sack I'm told. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

11-16-2004, 04:36 AM	#55
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Another interesting Condi Rice fact, her birthday just passed on November 14th, when she turned 50. Doesn't look 50 to me!

11-16-2004, 06:42 AM	#56
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	Condi is so freaking hot

11-16-2004, 09:31 AM	#63
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	Condi is a domer but...she's tight with Willingham

11-16-2004, 09:38 AM	#65
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Condi, as nearly as I can tell, has a bit of an elusive quality among politicians -- she is not only articulate, but comes across as knowledgeable and persuasive. I confess that I don't know a lot about her own policies or agenda -- but as a mouthpiece for the Bush Administration, I have consistently found here to be pretty effective, even on the occasions when I haven't really agreed with her. This, more than anything, is the reason why people are suddenly starting to speculate about her for higher office. When you see someone who generally agrees with you, but who can speak effectively (and without sounding like a pandering politician, which is the much more common form of "being articulate" in the field) it's immediately tempting to think about higher possibilities. And, despite her obvious divisiveness, this is the same reason why people are so enamored with Hillary Clinton's potential. She, too, is an articulate and effective speaker and advocate for her positions -- and that is a characteristic that, all else equal, would certainly have been enough to win the White House in each of the last two elections (not that this is a wholly fair comparison -- but certainly if either Mr. Gore or Mr. Kerry had anywhere near her presence they woudl have won).

11-16-2004, 10:10 AM	#66
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	I'm disappointed, but not surprised, at her appointment to Secretary of State. The reason for this is that she is, essentially, a classic brainy think-tank Cold Warrior. As such, I object to her appointment on two basic grounds: 1. Inability to effectively manage people, organizations and information as shown by her lackluster performance as NSA. 2. Inability to move beyond the Cold War mindset. When I've heard her speak (or written what she has spoken), it is clear to me that she's been unable to shed the type of intelligence thinking that was de rigeur during the Cold War. A monolithic enemy, playing by the same rules; technical intelligence over informal, personal, "dirty" intelligence; an understanding of the world in black-and-white terms; and, most critically, a "statist" view of a world that increasingly has a number of "non-state" powers and influences. While I'm sure that she's intelligent and well-read enough to provide the administration with a number of valuable insights (which should be taken into context and compared to other insights), I don't think she's the right person for the job, from either a day-to-day or strategic standpoint. Having said that, this appointment does not surprise me. Bush appears to value loyalty and personality as much, if not more, than ability and results when making Cabinet appointments. Best of luck to him in his 2nd term.

11-16-2004, 10:26 AM	#70
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Inevitable "beaver" joke in five...four...three...

11-16-2004, 10:35 AM	#73
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	we're America though, we're held to a different standard. the world wants shoot 'em up, whiskey drinking, beef eating Cowboys and by golly that's what we have to give them.

11-16-2004, 10:41 AM	#74
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Obama should and will be President one day... __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

11-16-2004, 10:44 AM	#75
Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	I am stunned to see the revelations about some finding her attractive. I was entering this thread simply to post that the one thing we all know is that she is less attractive than Dick Cheney. And I see some people think her pig face is attractive. Ye Gods, guys, if you are that attracted to power simply have your sexual plaything of choice pick up a uniform at a military surplus store, but stop with the public suggestions of Condie as a toy. It is messing with what little sleep I already get these days. __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price!

11-16-2004, 10:57 AM	#80
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	thanks for using 6 words total to debate my statements. kindly exit the stage please and let someone who actually has an opinion take your place.

11-16-2004, 12:14 PM	#95
mattwakeman Mascot Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cold, old England	I just find it very strange that the idea of a woman candidate (let alone a president) receives such a negative response. But to go vaguely back OT I recall reading somewhere about doubts over the academic abilitiest that Condi Rice has as well as the idea that she chose to study what she did purely with an idea of how it would help her political aspirations (not that there is anything wrong with that of course). __________________ Carpe Diem

11-16-2004, 12:47 PM	#99
judicial clerk College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Portland, OR	Obama is an effective communicator, and that will take him far. Aside form Thatcher, Pakistan and India have both had women leaders who were respected enough throughout the world (as far as I know) I think it will be hard for Condi, or any other republican, to win the next election. How long has any one party consecutively held on to the presidency? I think we are closer to having a black man as president than a woman only because of Powell. If he was interested, he would make a strong candidate. much stronger than any woman out there.

11-16-2004, 12:50 PM	#100
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if the Dems are smart strategists, they'll take a hard look at Sanford Bishop. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

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