Lost Season 5 Thread - There'd be Spoilers if Anyone Knew What The Hell Was Happening

[Castlerock]

Originally Posted by Samdari

These "advanced" theories are very unlikely to be have been proposed by serious physicists.

And I am not expecting them to solve the problem of time travel in order to meet the promise of a "scientific explanation." To me, the very promise of a scientifically plausible explanation means time travel is not involved, period.

I am very disappointed, but as I said earlier, still follow, because I have to know how pretty much any story I start ends.

Obviously, you feel differently but I never took the producers comments to mean that the events in Lost could, in fact, happen. My take is that they were attempting to disavow the theories that the Losties were dead or in Purgatory. Nothing less, nothing more. The answers would come from the realm of science and not spirituality.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Apparently in the "pop up" version of "The Lie" which aired last night stated Ms. Hawking's name is Eloise.

Faraday's rat's name was Eloise.

The blonde chick on the island was named Ellie.

Both Widmore and Ms. Hawking on the island in the 1950s: Faraday's mom and dad?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by SFL Cat

See, the X-Files spoiled shows like this for me, because like that show...they all start out with an intriguing premise, and the first few seasons are very captivating. However, after that it's like the producers and writers reach a point where they begin to look at each other and ask..."WTF are we trying to do here?" and that begins to show on the screen as they start reaching into the magic hat and pulling anything and everything out of it. I believe some refer to this point as "jumping the Shark."

wow. SFL Cat and I agree on this.

I honestly think the Lost writers started out with good intentions and there was a somewhat credible explanation. But somewhere along the way the show became this massive phenomenon and the network was like "you got to keep this going. it's a cash cow" so they were like "well we're sick of playing with our little island...let's get really crazy and throw some weird shit out there so that we can have scenes in other locations and do weird shit there" kinda.

[Castlerock]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Apparently in the "pop up" version of "The Lie" which aired last night stated Ms. Hawking's name is Eloise.

Faraday's rat's name was Eloise.

The blonde chick on the island was named Ellie.

Both Widmore and Ms. Hawking on the island in the 1950s: Faraday's mom and dad?

Nice! We need more theories and less bashing.

[Toddzilla]

Last nights episode was the first one in a long time where my wife and I had to pause the show and go OMGWTF! Charles Widmore being a young soldier on the island back in the 50s was great, but when Locke gave Alpert the compass and told him to come visit me as a child - and remembering the episode last year when Alpert did just that, showed a little Locke the collection of items *including the compass* to see if he was special (Locke glossing over it and Alpert storming out) - was mind blowing. Wow wow wow.

[hoopsguy]

Agree on the Widmore thing being a "pause, rewind" moment. I also thought that naming the kid Charlie was a nice touch. I liked the episode quite a bit and thought they really moved the story along, although I can understand the point that Swaggs made about lacking the "single episode" feel.

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Last nights episode was the first one in a long time where my wife and I had to pause the show and go OMGWTF! Charles Widmore being a young soldier on the island back in the 50s was great, but when Locke gave Alpert the compass and told him to come visit me as a child - and remembering the episode last year when Alpert did just that, showed a little Locke the collection of items *including the compass* to see if he was special (Locke glossing over it and Alpert storming out) - was mind blowing. Wow wow wow.

Anyone recall which episode that Alpert came and visited Locke? I now want to re-watch that one...

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

It's called "Cabin Fever".

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

It's called "Cabin Fever".

thanks!

[spleen1015]

I am reminded in threads like these why I take breaks from this place for a month or 2 at a time. Seems there is always negativity.

I thought it was great and the dots are finally being connected.

[Daimyo]

I liked the episodes so far this year. We're clearly in wrap up mode and moving forward with the story and tying up loose ends. It feels like we're getting more answers and "a ha moments" and less new questions for the first time.

[Pyser]

i cant say i thought there were answers last night, but i was entertained. interesting about farradays mom maybe being on the island. not sure what it means

so if they bury the bomb, is that part of the energy the island has been tapping into?

[Draft Dodger]

stupid shows and their non-hour run times...we had the last couple of minutes cut off, during the discussion between Richard and Locke. I gather above that Locke told him to come visit him. Anything else?

[Daimyo]

Originally Posted by Pyser

i cant say i thought there were answers last night, but i was entertained. interesting about farradays mom maybe being on the island. not sure what it means

so if they bury the bomb, is that part of the energy the island has been tapping into?

A few questions answered:
What was Charles Widmore's connection to the island?
Why did Robert visit Locke when he was a child?

Plus we have some new info about Ms Hawking's connection to the main characters.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

stupid shows and their non-hour run times...we had the last couple of minutes cut off, during the discussion between Richard and Locke. I gather above that Locke told him to come visit him. Anything else?

Not really. Right after Locke told Richard to visit him, the light started to come again, Locke asked Richard how to get off the island, Richard did not answer him, the light flashed and they were in a different time. Then the redheaded chick collapsed after blood poured from her nose. That's when the episode ended.

[Toddzilla]

Does anyone think the cute chick with the rifle that escorted Faraday to and from the bomb was his mother?

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I got tired of being teased after season 2.

Can you fans give everyone else a concise description of what is going on?

Ex. So I guess time travel is part of the story? What was the ghost monster from season 1?

Only Hurley can answer these questions...

[samifan24]

Did anyone else have continual breakup of both picture and audio last night? I couldn't believe I was watching ABC the signal was so poor at times.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by samifan24

Did anyone else have continual breakup of both picture and audio last night? I couldn't believe I was watching ABC the signal was so poor at times.

Everything was fine for me. I was sick and under the weather though so watched it on my SD tv in bed instead of HD though.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Does anyone think the cute chick with the rifle that escorted Faraday to and from the bomb was his mother?

Lots of folks saying this around the web today. I'm not sure either way. I wouldn't be surprised if that twist was in there.

[Swaggs]

Bump...

We are in full-fledged time travel mode, it appears. I will admit that the light from the hatch was pretty cool, but I'm pretty disappointed that they are going to open that can of worms. It it looks like we are headed for a Jin-Young Rousseau storyline. Also, not really liking the Sun storyline.

Not much going on in this episode from my viewpoint. Looks like we're just rounding up the gang to go back to the island, while Locke is trying to get to them. I guess there were some clues that Miles and Charlotte had been on the island before (based on their nosebleeds and Farraday's theory).

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Bump...

We are in full-fledged time travel mode, it appears. I will admit that the light from the hatch was pretty cool, but I'm pretty disappointed that they are going to open that can of worms. It it looks like we are headed for a Jin-Young Rousseau storyline. Also, not really liking the Sun storyline.

Not much going on in this episode from my viewpoint. Looks like we're just rounding up the gang to go back to the island, while Locke is trying to get to them. I guess there were some clues that Miles and Charlotte had been on the island before (based on their nosebleeds and Farraday's theory).

I'm pretty sure Miles is the son of the Dharama Video guy, and Charlotte is probably Widmores other daughter from his time on the island.

[Pyser]

so is jin time traveling with everyone else? or stuck in the 70s or whenever the french people arrived?

also, was that supposed to answer "the sickness" they got?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Pyser

so is jin time traveling with everyone else? or stuck in the 70s or whenever the french people arrived?

also, was that supposed to answer "the sickness" they got?

Jin is time traveling with everyone else (as far as his time goes). The group (Locke, Sawyer, etc) came across on the beach the various french supplies from a wreckage right before it cut to the scene of the french group finding Jin in the water.

So their current place in time is the same even if their physical location on the island is not.

[DeToxRox]

Not sure if posted already:

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

[Castlerock]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I'm pretty sure Miles is the son of the Dharama Video guy, and Charlotte is probably Widmores other daughter from his time on the island.

That would make some sense. I think that Daniel might be Widmore and Ms Hawking's (Ellie) son? Daniel said he "loved" Charlotte - he could be her brother.

[chesapeake]

1) This show is like a comic book -- always insist that they show you the corpse before believing that someone is actually dead. Or that they have become omnicient tools of the island ala Christian, Charlie, Claire and Ana Lucia. I also believe that Jin is jumping in time with everyone else.

2) The popular theory that Miles is the baby we saw briefly in the filming flashback w/ Dr. Candle in the premier got a little stronger with Miles's nosebleed.

3) Charlotte used the phrase "getting back to the island" in an earlier epi. I hadn't connected any dots to how she was there in the 1st place.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

3) Charlotte used the phrase "getting back to the island" in an earlier epi. I hadn't connected any dots to how she was there in the 1st place.

I believe the part you are referencing was some kind of exchange between Charlotte and Miles that I do not fully remember. It was something that Charlotte said, and then I think Miles may have said something along the lines of ,"Or maybe return to the island?". Charlotte asked him what he meant by that, and Miles got his funny/strange look on his face while saying,"Hmm.. what -DO- I mean by that?" as he walked off.

That was the only previous reference that I recalled to Charlotte having possibly been on the island and had been trying to get back to it before.

[spleen1015]

There was also a conversation between Charlotte and Daniel where Charlotte said something about trying to find the place where she was born or something to that effect. It eluded to her being born on the island.

[Castlerock]

According to Ben, she was born in Essex, England. But she said to Daniel, "Would it make any sense if I told you I'm still looking for where I was born?"

[DeToxRox]

Fantastc episode tonight. Some pretty brutal stuff. Really can't wait for next weekend.

[Pyser]

yes. yes. a thousand times yes. when this show is on, it is unparalleled. fantastic episode.

[samifan24]

One of the most plausible explanations of what's happening on Lost and the author nailed last night's revelation about Charlotte already: (I'm HXXPing due to spoilers)

hxxp://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

[Castlerock]

One question from last night: Why could Christian not help Locke?

Interesting: Ben looked surprised that Desmond was there to see Faraday's mother.

samifan: does the link really have spoilers (information from outside the already aired shows)? or is just theories based on info from already aired shows? I think the term "spoiler" is defined differently by different people.

[samifan24]

Originally Posted by Castlerock

One question from last night: Why could Christian not help Locke?

samifan: does the link really have spoilers (information from outside the already aired shows)? or is just theories based on info from already aired shows? I think the term "spoiler" is defined differently by different people.

The link I posted has spoilers in the sense that it presents a complete theory of everything that has happened on the show.

Spoiler

According to the site I posted, Christian wasn't actually there. The site posits that Christian, Jacob and the other "ghosts" are "echoes" which appear to guide the Losties to make decisions and take actions that they would normally take off the island. These people are all dead off the island but continue to exist on the island because they serve as guides to the Losties. Their role is to keep everyone as fate would have them be. I know it sounds confusing but it makes sense if you read the link.

[Poli]

Man, that island is a female dog. It's a killing machine.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by samifan24

One of the most plausible explanations of what's happening on Lost and the author nailed last night's revelation about Charlotte already: (I'm HXXPing due to spoilers)

hxxp://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

I think that theory is good in some areas but fails in others.

It won't let you change fate in the past yet Widmore can go back in time, make bets, and become wealthy???

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by samifan24

One of the most plausible explanations of what's happening on Lost and the author nailed last night's revelation about Charlotte already: (I'm HXXPing due to spoilers)

hxxp://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

They say the time machine was created in the 1960s. We've already seen a jump back to before Locke's birth, which was in the 1950s.

So, that's one thing they got wrong when they say the time machine was created in the 1960s and you can only jump back as far back as when it was created.

Whoever came up with it put a lot of thought into it, but it won't be any where close to being right.

[spleen1015]

Here's something I've noticed and some other folks on the web have noticed. When the French folks are listening to the transmission in the last episode, it is Hurley's voice saying the numbers. At the very least, it is him saying 23 and 42.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Here's something I've noticed and some other folks on the web have noticed. When the French folks are listening to the transmission in the last episode, it is Hurley's voice saying the numbers. At the very least, it is him saying 23 and 42.

Interesting. Maybe Hurley comes back to the island and becomes godlike to the people he meets travelling through time and that is how the numbers ended up all over the island.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

sl-LOST.com - Daily LOST News » Blog Archive » Was The Radio Transmission Recorded By Hurley?

The link for anyone interested. I'm not convinced it's him, but it could well be.

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Here's something I've noticed and some other folks on the web have noticed. When the French folks are listening to the transmission in the last episode, it is Hurley's voice saying the numbers. At the very least, it is him saying 23 and 42.

Good catch, I hadn't heard that. But remember when Hurley first heard the numbers from the guy in the mental institution? After he won the lottery he went and talked to the guys wife and she said he heard them on a transmission when he was out to sea....Was that Hurley then too? Or was it someone else?

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

Good catch, I hadn't heard that. But remember when Hurley first heard the numbers from the guy in the mental institution? After he won the lottery he went and talked to the guys wife and she said he heard them on a transmission when he was out to sea....Was that Hurley then too? Or was it someone else?

I think that guy heard the same transmission the Frenchies did.

We know that Daniel gets mixed up with Dharma. I think John turning the wheel stopped the jumps and the folks on the island are stuck in a time the Dharma. The O6 are going to to get back to the island, maybe in the same time period.

I think Hurley has to do the transmission because it has something to do with him getting to the island in the first place and he needs to be there for some reason.

[Swaggs]

I like the time loop theory stuff and I think the button pushing is the most interesting aspect to it. I won't say too much more, for fear of spoilers, but that part makes a whole lot of sense.

[samifan24]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I like the time loop theory stuff and I think the button pushing is the most interesting aspect to it. I won't say too much more, for fear of spoilers, but that part makes a whole lot of sense.

Why not just use the spoiler tag?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I loved this episode. I love how it kept calling back details of the pilot (and whole first season), as well as themes of the earlier seasons in Jack's battle between reason and faith.

Lapidus was awesome. Ben was very funny as usual. Very excited to see how this all plays out.

[DeToxRox]

Amazing episode.

I am wondering .. do you think Ben was all beat up because he went back to kill Penny?

I am wondering if he needs Desmond back to the Island, and he knows he'd never go back unless something happened to Penny, and what better way then to do her in?

[Pyser]

interesting. i hated the episode

[Alan T]

I thought the episode was ok.. but we were left with so many holes in the story that obviously this is what we get to find out the next several episodes probably (in addition to what is happening on the island currently).

I think they are trying to go back to what they did great in the beginning and hope it works just as well.. ie: this week will be focused on Locke and have many flash backs to what all happened leading up to him killing himself and why. Then the next week it might be say Hurley with flash backs the entire episode discussing how he ended up getting out of jail... same with Sayeed, and Kate's story will tell us about what happened with Aaron, Ben's story will tell us why he got beat up, etc.

[DataKing]

One thing that really bothered me about this week's episode was the cavalier attitude the O6 displayed concerning the others on the plane (all except Hurley, at least). It finally occurs to Jack to ask about the others on the plane once they're about to take off? Kate, Sun, others don't ask at all? I know they're desperate to get back and all, but it seemed very out of character for most of them.