The Sports Media Thread

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

You realize that nearly everything in the column is pretty standard advice for any professional social media, right? About all he's done is tweak the verbiage for sports stuff in a few places & break bigger points down into smaller ones in order to get to one hundred.

There's a few points in there that are kinda contentious but there's not much in there that's exactly rocket science.

Problem is, the vast majority of the Twittersphere isn't as savvy as they could/should be, even basic stuff is probably helpful for those smart enough to follow good advice.

I don't think you understand. He could be quoting from the Book of Twitiquette. The reaction to it is because it's him, not whether what he is communicating is right or wrong.

[spleen1015]

I'm going to try to give up my dependence on ESPN for sports news. I am already watching NFL Network and MLB Network for those sports.

What should I do about the web? What other decent overall sports websites are there for daily sports updates? Any recommendations?

[Passacaglia]

I just come here

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I'm going to try to give up my dependence on ESPN for sports news. I am already watching NFL Network and MLB Network for those sports.

What should I do about the web? What other decent overall sports websites are there for daily sports updates? Any recommendations?

CNNSI, or yahoosports. I stopped following ESPN a long time ago.

[Logan]

Twitter. Do some searches online and you can find the accounts of all your teams' beat writers. Then you have the major outlet guys who will also break news. For the most part, even the ESPN guys keep it pretty legit (the actual reporter types, not the Bayless/SAS crowd).

The only sports coverage I watch on an actual TV are live events. I'll catch highlights online if something meaningful happens or if there's something particular I want to see. There's just no need to be held hostage on your couch for 30 or 60 minutes while some producer decides what you should or shouldn't see.

[sterlingice]

It looks like old NFL Primetime has been nerfed even more.

First it was moved to 11pm a few years ago when NBC got the rights.

Then it was chopped up as part of the 11pm Sportscenter and you only got about half the games and not all of the NFL coverage was part of "The Blitz".

Now, there's not even Chris Berman. I like Tom Jackson but those two played off each other so well and were part of what made the show work

SI

[britrock88]

TSN.ca/NHL

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

It looks like old NFL Primetime has been nerfed even more.

First it was moved to 11pm a few years ago when NBC got the rights.

Then it was chopped up as part of the 11pm Sportscenter and you only got about half the games and not all of the NFL coverage was part of "The Blitz".

Now, there's not even Chris Berman. I like Tom Jackson but those two played off each other so well and were part of what made the show work

SI

I know Berman called the 2nd MNF game this week so maybe he'll be back next week. I enjoy those two doing highlights so I hope that's the case.

[Logan]

Watch Mike Francesa Doze Off During An Interview

[RedKingGold]

I applaud ESPN for its John Clayton and ponytail "This is Sportscenter" commercial. Pretty neat to see ESPN acknowledge that Internet inside joke.

If you haven't seen it, YouTube it now and also look for the outtakes. It doesn't hurt that the "This is Sportscenter" spots are one of the most original and funniest things ESPN has done.

[Matthean]

ESPN Personality Gets Mad at 'Onion' Article He Thought Was Real

[Logan]

Rovell article:

Expensive dinner for Bears' rookies - Sports Business News, Analysis - Dollars Blog - ESPN Playbook - ESPN

Then of course we hear:

darren rovell ‏@darrenrovell

Bears’ @iidonije tweets that the steak dinner bill was not real. Was meant to scare the rookies.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Logan

Rovell article:

Expensive dinner for Bears' rookies - Sports Business News, Analysis - Dollars Blog - ESPN Playbook - ESPN

Then of course we hear:

I'm pretty sure that Rovell also mis-tweeted that someone had died. I saw a mention of it the other day, but never saw the actual tweet.

EDIT: He had incorrectly assumed that Alex Karras had died.

http://deadspin.com/5950101/darren-r...-plays-it-cool

[JonInMiddleGA]

I don't think I ever realized just how bad Matt Millen sucks as an analyst until tonight, but I think I've figured out why it took me so long.

I thought he was Mike Golic (who I had been wondering when they moved him into college football coverage from Mike & Mike In the Morning)

[korme]

I would also like to pile on and say Darren Rovell does suck

And good for Russillo

[stevew]

[stevew]

When SAS is "uncomfortable with where we just went" I'm just speechless.

[korme]

That was bad.

[bulletsponge]

why the fuck does he even care about his private life?

[Honolulu_Blue]

That's just so very... Rob Parker.

The guy used to write for the Detroit News for many years until he was finally fired a few years ago for making a very ill advised comment during a Rod Marinelli press conference. I think he asked Rod Marinelli whether he wished his dauhter had married a better defensive coordinator, because the defensive coordinator was his son-in-law.

He's the typical sports columnist who makes a living just trying to be a contrarian (e.g., the local sports teams are all horrible/finds the negative in everything) or say outrageous stuff.

[azjoe_02]

Originally Posted by stevew

When SAS is "uncomfortable with where we just went" I'm just speechless.

yes

[Radii]

Why the hell is this a "top story" on espn.com???

Les Miles of LSU Tigers is most popular college football coach on Twitter -- report - ESPN

For fuck's sake, the headline is "Les Miles Popular on Twitter" ...

[Logan]

National Radio Announcers Just Couldn't Believe The Ravens Let The Clock Expire At The End Of The First OT Period

[Lathum]

meh, I'm not gonna kill someone for not knowing what is a very obscure rule.

That being said, during a break when it was looking like it may end tied they should have asked what happens.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Logan

National Radio Announcers Just Couldn't Believe The Ravens Let The Clock Expire At The End Of The First OT Period

My wife and I were listening to this. It was amazing.

To Lathum's point, I didn't think this was that obscure of a rule--you have to play until there is a winner in OT, but you are exactly right that you need to make sure you are up on the basics of the OT rules before they have an effect on the broadcast.

[Lathum]

I was at a work dinner and we were all talking abou tthe rules. Obviously we all knew there couldnt be a tie, but were all stumped as to if the rekick, cointoss, etc... or just treat it like the second quarter.

[Chief Rum]

Was Donovan McNabb consulting on the broadcast?

[spleen1015]

The ref explained the rules at the OT coin toss.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I was at a work dinner and we were all talking abou tthe rules. Obviously we all knew there couldnt be a tie, but were all stumped as to if the rekick, cointoss, etc... or just treat it like the second quarter.

yeah, I had no idea either. The CBS guys eventually explained it, but it was late in the quarter

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

The ref explained the rules at the OT coin toss.

albeit, terribly

[Logan]

I think there's a difference in being unsure of the rules as you watch, and being unsure of the rules as you commentate to the point where you are flabbergasted and seriously confused how a team could let the clock run out instead of taking a chance at winning the game.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

albeit, terribly

It was a tad confusing at first but he clarified and eventually said we're playing OT like it is a game. We'll play 2 quarters, have a halftime then play 2 more quarters. Something to that effect.

[Logan]

Just read this article and was reminded of the discussion on here of why Rovell is hated so much.

Darren Rovell does not understand that he is hated

[Logan]

I really enjoyed this article:

Mike Shanahan, the Super Bowl and PTI

This is the story of how a poorly worded tweet eventually led to a completely bogus segment on PTI. And it’s perhaps a cautionary tale for those of us who make our living in the world of 140-character quotes and pithy SEO headlines.

And a somewhat similar one that Deadspin ran a week ago:

How ESPN Pulled A Bullshit Colin Kaepernick Story Out Of Thin Air

[sterlingice]

It must be fun to be the one running the echo chamber.

SI

[digamma]

@darrenrovell Johnny Manziel is great for college football. The fan in me is happy we'll see on the field. The reporter in me is very proud of our work.

[Logan]

I miss this thread. Time to bring it back.

These Emails Confirm That ESPN's Darren Rovell Is A Sensitive Penis

[Dr. Sak]

I follow quite a few college football writers and I have to admit, it must suck to say anything and then have hordes of people just take shots at you. It's quite amusing when I see them shoot back at the fans. But what I find annoying is when they think their thought process is the only correct one because they are a professional writer and "fans" dont understand the game like they do.

I've had the fortune/unfourtune to meet more of these writers at games & scrimmages. Needless to say their arrogance does not go unnoticed. That includes sideline reporters like Alex Flanagan who is even more beautiful in person but you can tell she's one of those I'm hot and I know I am hot women.

[miami_fan]

Sirius Paying ESPN “Licensing Fee” for Stephen A. Smith’s Show on Mad Dog Radio | The Big Lead

ESPN finally announced news that’s a couple weeks old – Stephen A. Smith is leaving the network’s New York radio station (98.7) for Sirius radio.

[albionmoonlight]

Mrs. A was at a bookstore the other day and saw an NFL preview magazine that had the Saints as the cover story. She texted and asked if I wanted it, and I said no.

In 2014, when (1) multiple local reporters attend every open practice and send real-time tweets about what is happening, (2) message boards like this one (as well as team-specific boards) exist to provide opinions about sports, and (3) any story with a hint of newsworthyness will be overplayed on TV for 24 hours and then forgotten, the idea of getting sports news from a magazine seems very strange.

I am not saying that there is not a place for the kind of in-depth reporting and long-form pieces that work well in a magazine (that Jared Lorenzen piece from a couple of weeks ago is a great example). That kind of stuff is great, and the TV/Twitter culture cannot come close to creating it.

But in terms of asking the more basic question of "what is happening with my favorite team right now?," I do not see how anything can compete with what the internet is giving us, for better or worse.

[Logan]

Basically the only time I'll buy a magazine like that is if I'm about to get on a plane and don't have anything to read. Even then, I can load up my phone with items to read before going into airplane mode. So it's basically out of laziness or nostalgia, much more so then "getting news". Sometimes it's just nice to flip through a magazine, as anyone who has read that month's Skymall for the 4th time can attest.

[Logan]

I had the pleasure of being on Twitter as this was playing out yesterday. Such a dumb prick.

Darren Rovell Can't Tell A Two From A Five

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Logan

I had the pleasure of being on Twitter as this was playing out yesterday. Such a dumb prick.

Darren Rovell Can't Tell A Two From A Five

Haha. You know what though - lost in all the Rovell bashing is KD's classy response where he doesn't go all crazy or say something stupid. Kudos to him.

[Logan]

Big news out of Bristol, as ESPN announces they won't be renewing Bill Simmons' contract. He'll be a FA after September.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Logan

Big news out of Bristol, as ESPN announces they won't be renewing Bill Simmons' contract. He'll be a FA after September.

Hmm. What does this do to Grantland? Does he own the property, or does ESPN?

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by Grover

Hmm. What does this do to Grantland? Does he own the property, or does ESPN?

I think ESPN does, Skipper commented that Grantland long ago moved from being a Bill Simmons site to something that can stand on his own. More interesting will be what happens to the contributors, do they follow the pied piper or do they stay on at Grantland.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Grover

Hmm. What does this do to Grantland? Does he own the property, or does ESPN?

ESPN does. I'm sure some people will follow him to wherever he lands once their own contracts are up, especially if he gets the backing to start up his own similar site. But he's getting a little older and I wonder if he'll have any interest in starting from scratch again when he can get paid to put in much less work.

[Arles]

Yeah, this is an interesting development. Makes me think of a tactic a lot of bigger companies use with extremely talented (yet somewhat uncontrollable) people. They use them to build something - then once it is built decide they don't want to pay them. It will be an interesting gamble as Grantland's success is largely on Bill's shoulders. I listen to a lot of podcasts and read some articles there, but if Bill leaves - my consumption will greatly decrease.

What's interesting is that both Bill (with his new podcast Bill Don't Lie) and Andy Greenwald/Chris Ryan (with their new podcast Watch the Thrones) have already broken free of the main Grantland podcast feeds to start independent ones. Makes me think that atleast a portion of Grantland (Andy, Chris, Sal, maybe Zach Lowe and maybe Bill Barnwell) will end up leaving and going with Bill.

[Grover]

The whole Simmons leaving ESPN has me digging through the archives and reading all of Hunter S. Thompson's Page 2 stuff.

[nol]

Originally Posted by Arles

Yeah, this is an interesting development. Makes me think of a tactic a lot of bigger companies use with extremely talented (yet somewhat uncontrollable) people. They use them to build something - then once it is built decide they don't want to pay them. It will be an interesting gamble as Grantland's success is largely on Bill's shoulders. I listen to a lot of podcasts and read some articles there, but if Bill leaves - my consumption will greatly decrease.

What's interesting is that both Bill (with his new podcast Bill Don't Lie) and Andy Greenwald/Chris Ryan (with their new podcast Watch the Thrones) have already broken free of the main Grantland podcast feeds to start independent ones. Makes me think that atleast a portion of Grantland (Andy, Chris, Sal, maybe Zach Lowe and maybe Bill Barnwell) will end up leaving and going with Bill.

Yeah, it would honestly not take much more than one or two of those guys leaving for the site to be unviable.