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[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

With all due respect to the recent success of the Wisconsin program, Weis has put more QBs in the NFL than the Badgers have. He isn't much of a head coach, but he has a pretty impressive track record with QBs.

Care to put that to a test? I'm curious.

[mauchow]

Bollinger, Stocco (invited to a few camps IIRC but never landed a roster spot), Tolzien and soon to be Russell Wilson (I'll only give WIsconsin half credit for this one) are/were in the NFL in the past ten seasons.

And add in the fact that the Badgers don't bring in 4 or 5 star QB's like ND had...

[mauchow]

Quinn and Jimmy Clausen --- they sure developed into stellar QBs in the NFL as four or five star QBs along with the many other 4 and 5 star QBs they've had. Badgers have had ONE four star player commit to Wisconsin and he's in the 2012 class. None before that in the prior ten years.

[lungs]

Is Jim Sorgi still floating around? I know he backed up Peyton Manning (and maybe Eli for one year if I'm not mistaken)

[mauchow]

Can't believe I forgot Sorgi - I'm pretty sure I meant to put Sorgi over Stocco. There ya go, lungs. Further solidifying the solid QBs that have come out of Wisconsin when not heralded as sure-fire NFL prospects coming out of high school, ala Clausen

[Johnny93g]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

Can't believe I forgot Sorgi - I'm pretty sure I meant to put Sorgi over Stocco. There ya go, lungs. Further solidifying the solid QBs that have come out of Wisconsin when not heralded as sure-fire NFL prospects coming out of high school, ala Clausen

Sure-fire coming out of high school doesn't exist. Sour grapes!!

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Sure-fire coming out of high school doesn't exist. Sour grapes!!

Exactly. There should be no such thing but I recall that being the case surrounding Clausen when he came to town.

Anyway, yeah, I'm a little sour grapes that he chose to follow the guy who recruited him because he's comfortable with his system and then add in the uncertainty of the situation at Wisconsin...

Just not sure I understand the mentality of wanting to go to Kansas, and as I mentioned, you'll STRUGGLE to get to .500 whereas you can come to Wisconsin and get a VERY GOOD chance of getting back into the Big Ten championship along with another shot at a possible Rose Bowl. I thought football players were driven to be successful winners. If you're good enough to go Pro, you're good enough, why not choose to be a winner instead of a loser.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

McMurphyCBS Brett McMurphy
Virginia Tech K Cody Journell arrested for breaking & entering in apparent home invasion

A kicker? Awesome!

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

Bollinger, Stocco (invited to a few camps IIRC but never landed a roster spot), Tolzien and soon to be Russell Wilson (I'll only give WIsconsin half credit for this one) are/were in the NFL in the past ten seasons.

And add in the fact that the Badgers don't bring in 4 or 5 star QB's like ND had...

Obviously, I wasn't comparing Weis' five-year career to the entire history of Wisconsin quarterbacks.

Bollinger and Sorgi never played for Bielema. Stocco amounted to an undrafted camp player that never made an NFL roster. Tolzien was undrafted and has never taken a snap.

Russell Wilson, we'll see about. I'd say, as a fifth-year senior that had already started for 2 1/2 seasons, he was largely a finished product, so I'm not sure how much credit I would give to the Wisconsin staff, but even if we say that he was 100% developed by them, where is he projected to be drafted? I haven't seen him in any of the first round mocks or top 5 QB lists and he may end up sticking with baseball.

Compare that to Weis, who only coached for five years and developed one marginal QB into a first rounder that has spent time as a starter in Brady Quinn and another that was highly touted and was a mid-2nd rounder in Clausen, who has also spent time as a starter.

Maybe Wilson turns into a 2nd or 3rd round success story, but based on the results at this point, Weis looks like much more of a QB guru than Bielema and co. And that is nothing against Bielema or Wisconsin, they have had a great run and put a bunch of really good players into the NFL.

[digamma]

Brady Quinn was an Army All-American in high school, no? Same with Clausen.

I thought the knock on Weis had been that he could recruit, but not develop.

[digamma]

dola...

I take that "knock" with a grain of salt, because it is usually stated by the pundits who make the recruiting rankings. So if the criticism is really that he's poor at identifying talent, it's a criticism of themselves.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Well in a perfect world I should say. Yes, neither have shown much but they are still better then anything Kansas was going to have anytime soon.

Heaps really regressed this year but he has the entire physical tool kit. His ultimate goal has always been the NFL and I am betting he is relying on Weiss to get him to that level. Again, in watching him this year though it was never his skill set, just the ability to be mentally consistent.

I wish he would have stayed at BYU and I wish him well at Kansas. Maybe a red shirt year away from the spotlight will do him good. There is no doubt being a QB at BYU brings pressure and lofty expectations that don't exist for a QB at Kansas. If he ever does get his mindset in step with his ability he will be a helluva of a player.

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Heaps really regressed this year but he has the entire physical tool kit. His ultimate goal has always been the NFL and I am betting he is relying on Weiss to get him to that level. Again, in watching him this year though it was never his skill set, just the ability to be mentally consistent.

I wish he would have stayed at BYU and I wish him well at Kansas. Maybe a red shirt year away from the spotlight will do him good. There is no doubt being a QB at BYU brings pressure and lofty expectations that don't exist for a QB at Kansas. If he ever does get his mindset in step with his ability he will be a helluva of a player.

Definitely true. I'm interested to see if Weis can get something more out of Heap than what he showed at BYU. If Weis does than that can only help him out in recruiting future QB's.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by digamma

Brady Quinn was an Army All-American in high school, no? Same with Clausen.

I thought the knock on Weis had been that he could recruit, but not develop.

Probably a stretch on my part to call him marginal, as he was a 4-star on both scout and rivals (#14 and #10 QB in his class by each). But still, he had started a bit at Notre Dame and had been pretty pretty average. In his two years with Weis he threw for 69 TDs and only 14 INTs (was 26 TDs and 25 INTs in his first two years, to compare).

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by digamma

I thought the knock on Weis had been that he could recruit, but not develop.

Kind of hard to not recruit when you are coaching at ND and Florida.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

Lame to see Crist go to Kansas over Wisconsin - but an interview asking questions about why KU over Wisconsin was that Wisconsin did not guarantee him the starting spot. He said something to the effect, "I chose Kansas because I want to play, for me."

Good luck honing your skills for the NFL; you could have had a winning season but instead you'll actually probably hurt yourself playing on a team that will struggle to go .500 next year.

Originally Posted by Logan

Kid's only got one year to show something and is going to play for the guy who recruited him. Can't blame him for jumping on that guarantee.

This. Short clock and you don't get to show anything if you can't get on the field.

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

At this point Kansas should be set at QB for a while. You get Crist this year, then two years (likely) of Heaps. Weis will get a solid 4* esque type kid in the 2013 class too I am sure. If there is one thing he can do it is recruit QBs.

So what are we going to do after the first two games when they die at the hands of our offensive line

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Noop

Bob Stoops would be perfect for the Penn State job. I think he has done about all he can do in Norman.

I suppose expectations are constantly high, but he also has a lot of support so it's not like they're going to ride him out of town, either. They went back to being a national power under his watch and I imagine that engenders a lot of good will.

I guess if he wants a change of scenery, it would work but he'd be trading security and good recruiting networks for the unknown and a lateral step in terms of program prestige.

SI

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

So what are we going to do after the first two games when they die at the hands of our offensive line

SI

Kansas' offensive line has some potential. That's one thing Turner Gill and staff did alright in was rebuilding the offensive line with some quality young talent. I know some of the Kansas beat writers feel like it should be one of the strengths next year. Of course, take that with a grain of salt considering this was a 2-10 team this past year so I'm not sure how difficult it would be to be a "strength" of that kind of team, lol.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I suppose expectations are constantly high, but he also has a lot of support so it's not like they're going to ride him out of town, either. They went back to being a national power under his watch and I imagine that engenders a lot of good will.

I guess if he wants a change of scenery, it would work but he'd be trading security and good recruiting networks for the unknown and a lateral step in terms of program prestige.

SI

I think Stoops is beginning to lose the program. It seems as though OU can not get over the hump and compete (and win) for national titles. One of my classmates is a huge OU fan whose daddy is connected (kid drives a Benz so I guessing his family has money) and from his mouth he said he thinks Stoops will either leave or get fired in two seasons.

His reasoning was people were getting tired of losing to bad teams and felt like they should at least win a title or two. Not saying I agree, but hearing this coupled with Penn State's troubles kind of makes it a perfect fit. In addition, Bob is from Youngstown which isn't to far from Penn State.

[mauchow]

Barkley vs Ball - 2012 Heisman Race has begun. Ball is coming back shockingly.

edit to add: 3..2..1.. til one of the nice little running backs behind Ball decides to transfer.

[Matthean]

Arnett gets released from Tennessee and commits to MSU probably as fast as they would let him.

[tarcone]

Iowa Jr. LT Riley Reiff to NFL.

Freshman RB Mika’il McCall will transfer.
He had a rough year. Played a great quarter early and blew his knee out. Came back late in the season and fumbled his 2nd carry. This ended his chance at a Medical Hardship. He was then suspended against Neb. and for the Insight bowl.
I dont think Iowa wanted him around.

[DeToxRox]

Well, Dooley may have been right to block Arnett initially. Apparently Charlie Baggett, the WR coach from Tennessee who brought Arnett to Tennessee, is going to MSU as its WR coach. Baggett had retired a month ago. It's still a rumor at this point but some Sparty insiders are saying it just may be legit.

[Matthean]

Source:*Ex-Auburn Tiger*Michael Dyer to Arkansas State Red Wolves - NCAA Football - SI.com

I guess I was caught up in Michigan and 'Bama in bowl games that I didn't even see he was done at Auburn.

[DeToxRox]

Iowa RB Marcus Coker was granted his release from Iowa.

[Logan]

That's a URL, I swear. Not sure why it's not showing up.

Trying again:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ed-usc-at-no-2

[General Mike]

#24. Fap fap fap

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Iowa RB Marcus Coker was granted his release from Iowa.

I went to my source in Iowa City. Here is the rumor. Coker was drawing tattoo designs. On paper, not giving them. And for the designs someone gave him a comic book. The University got wind of it and instead of facing an improper benefits "scandal" they threw Coker under the bus. No one stood up for Coker. Coker got mad and left.
McCall, the freshman RB who was let go, was suspended for a failed drug test (Marijuana).
Ferentz is very upset at the whole situation with Coker.

Sounds like Iowa is bending over backwards to keep the NCAA away. And throwing players away in the process.

[RedKingGold]

You spin me right round, baby. Right round.

[Swaggs]

An overstatement from Missouri?

Shocking, I know.

Error reveals athletic department spent millions less on football than reported Tiger Extra - Mizzou Sports | ColumbiaTribune.com

[tarcone]

Iowa is spinning it as Coker was suspended because of an investigation for sexual assault earlier in the season. Or at least thats what the papers are saying.
The girl refused to press charges and the police didnt find enough evidence to pursue.
Coker is getting drug through the mud.

[Matthean]

NCAA Pres. would be ok with a four team playoff.

NCAA president Mark Emmert says he would back 4-team BCS football playoff - ESPN

[Eaglesfan27]

Surprising news: QB Darron Thomas is leaving the Ducks to go pro. Seems like there has to be more to that story.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Surprising news: QB Darron Thomas is leaving the Ducks to go pro. Seems like there has to be more to that story.

If you guys aren't in the BCS championship game, I'll be shocked. Happy, but shocked.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

If you guys aren't in the BCS championship game, I'll be shocked. Happy, but shocked.

I'm pretty sure USC is a the sexy pick from the Pac-12 for next year.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Matthean

I'm pretty sure USC is a the sexy pick from the Pac-12 for next year.

If USC can stay reasonably healthy, they'll be the team to beat. They don't have much margin for error though as their depth is not what it used to be...

[Ksyrup]

Forget PAC12 - I think they'll be a consensus BCS title game pick. Easy schedule, talent coming back, coming off a strong 2011. They have to be odds-on favorites right now to play Alabama/LSU.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Forget PAC12 - I think they'll be a consensus BCS title game pick. Easy schedule, talent coming back, coming off a strong 2011. They have to be odds-on favorites right now to play Alabama/LSU.

I would always be happy to see 'Bama in the title game, but I don't see it. They lose a lot. Even if the talent that is already there and coming in is top notch, there's going to be an adjustment period.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Surprising news: QB Darron Thomas is leaving the Ducks to go pro. Seems like there has to be more to that story.

His mom works for target, I think they need the money and his stock isn't going higher

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

His mom works for target, I think they need the money and his stock isn't going higher

Yep, it's not like he'll make any more money in the Canadian Football League if he played another year at Oregon...

[digamma]

Brent Venables to Clemson from Oklahoma as defensive coordinator. According to my OU friends that isn't such a bad thing for OU or the other ACC teams.

[tarcone]

Another Hawkeye has asked for and been granted his release. LB AJ Derby is leaving. The bad part is that he is an Iowa City native. Which means he is a lifelong Hawk fan.
He had a run-in with the law earlier this season. That cost him his back up QB job and got him moved to LB.

Next to leave is another RB, D'Andre Johnson.

My brother, who lives near Iowa City, is saying the players are tired of the coaching staff.

I guess its time to clean house of the players and start fresh.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by digamma

Brent Venables to Clemson from Oklahoma as defensive coordinator. According to my OU friends that isn't such a bad thing for OU or the other ACC teams.

Not done yet...but Dabo is in love with some Brent V....not really sure what to think. I mena he is very well respected, but the stats dont support the love. Then again the Big12 is full of high flying Offenses the likes of which wont be seen regularly in the ACC>..just not sure.

For the moeny we are offering (700k oer)I think we can do better.

[tarcone]

And it looks as if another Hawkeye will be leaving. Rumors have WR Jordan Cotton next to leave.

[Matthean]

Darryl Stonum of Michigan Wolverines dismissed from team - ESPN

I know I have grown and matured as a person over the last nine months, and I will continue to learn and grow every day.

I would hate to see what he was like before that.

[Ksyrup]

How to choose your SEC school: a primer for disinterested*fans - Red Cup Rebellion

[dawgfan]

From Washington's version of LSUFreek:



I LOL'd.

[DeToxRox]

lol Mark Dantonio

Michigan State coach Mark Dantonio interrupts Michigan recruiting coordinator during speech to high school coaches | MLive.com

KALAMAZOO — Michigan State football coach Mark Dantonio tipped his cap to the Michigan football program during a brief introduction speech Friday in front of a room full of high school coaches in Kalamazoo.

Jeff Hecklinski, wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator at Michigan, reciprocated the friendly vibes during his turn at the Michigan High School Football Coaches Associated Winners’ Circle Clinic, held at the Radisson Plaza Hotel.

The lovefest quickly and awkwardly ended.

Hecklinski, filling in for Michigan head coach Brady Hoke, who was in Houston last night for the Bear Bryant Award ceremony, launched into a detailed presentation about the Wolverines’ way of recruiting — a little too detailed for Dantonio’s taste.

Dantonio, who was mic’ed up, cut Hecklinski off mid-presentation and summoned the rest of the panel members to the stage to, as he said, talk about more than just recruiting at Michigan.

A red-faced Hecklinski took a seat on the stage, joined by the rest of the panel, which included coaches from Wayne State, Siena Heights and Alma.

Both sides later chalked it up to a misunderstanding in forum’s format.

“I really didn’t know how this would work in this forum; it was the first time we’ve ever done this and I just didn’t know how this would work,” Dantonio said. “I didn’t want it to be a recruiting (speech for only Michigan).”

Hecklinski chose not to dwell on the altercation, either.

“Look, I understand my place,” said Hecklinski, who thought he had a 15-minute window to speak about his program. “What took place, took place and it is what it is. There is no reason to rehash it.”

The panel of coaches discussedand fielded questions about issues facing high school football and recruiting. Hecklinski said the event served its purpose.

“At the end of the day, it’s about helping the kids,” he said. “It’s about getting them opportunities no matter where they are. That’s the purpose of the format and at the end, my job was to make sure I did not interrupt or take away from that process or take away from what the podium was for.”

Friday was the second day of the three-day event, which has brought together a sampling of high school and college coaches from around the state to speak on various topics.

[Matthean]

He should be taking notes so he's not getting out recruited so heavily by Hoke and gang.