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I worked at Target for awhile. I once saw someone try to return a PS2 box for store credit, with schoolbooks inside. Pack the thing up like it wasnt messed with JB, and i think you'll be okay.
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08-17-2005, 04:48 PM | #53 |
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Soooo does the Xbox Live area stay the same for both the Xbox and the Xbox 360? I mean will Xbox 360 ppl only get to play with Xbox 360 ppl and Xbox with Xbox..I read the two membership offers, but I still have that question, will it be all integrated? Will you still be able to keep the ppl you play with now on Xbox when you have Xbox 360..
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I can't imagine that it won't all be integrated. I think the only thing that changes with the launch of the Xbox 360 is that now there will be a basic level of Xbox Live service that becomes free. If someone on an Xbox 360 is playing someone else on an Xbox in Halo2, I can't imagine they won't be able to both communicate that same way 2 people on Xboxes can. |
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Count me in as one of those rarer types who still plays a few of the PS1 titles on my PS2. I sold the PS1 to a family friend for her 8 and 10 year olds a couple years ago. The only games out of about 20 that I play occasionally on PS2 from PS1 are RPG's (Chrono Cross, FF Tactics, a couple others I still haven't finished off) , but Sony did a heck of a job on getting the vast majority of RPG's on their system.
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i just got back from Target. they gave me a full refund in cash. they ask me whats wrong with it, and i told them its not working for my t.v they check inside the box to make suure serial number match the receipt. it took only like 5 mins. Target pretty good if you have a receipt and less than 90 days. they are only strict if try to return an open dvd or cd, or software. then you can only exchange it for the same item. Last edited by jbmagic : 08-17-2005 at 06:14 PM. |
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ok now i cant wait to get the new xbox. its going to be a great holiday.
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08-17-2005, 06:21 PM | #59 |
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Wait wait wait, the Revolution is going to have the capacity to play *all* the NES and SNES games?!
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08-17-2005, 08:12 PM | #61 |
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Maaaan .... now I have an issue. I want the hard drive, as I HATE memory cards.
On the other hand, I hate wireless controllers. When the batteries aren't fully charged, there is a delay. I don't care what people say. I know I felt sluggish playing Halo 2 online anytime I didn't have new batteries, and my play suffered for it. Yet, as soon as I put new batteries in, I was doing fine again. Until a couple days later, I'd begin to slow down. It was obvious to me why. Now what do I do? *sigh* |
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Theoretically the new system shouldn't need the hard drive to work, since it will have a ton more ram and processing power. I bet its able to load anything into memory that it wants.
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Their big claim at E3 was that you would be able to play NES, SNES, and N64 games on the Revolution, buying them for a low price and some released for free. They were in negotiations to get rights to their old 3rd party games and how many they get won't be announced for a while, I'd imagine. That said, I can't see them having too much of a hard time. Nintendo is about the only one who seems to want to capitalize on their old franchises. There are a few re-releases out there like the Sonic Mega Collection or Mega Man Anniversary collection and they've sold pretty well at discount prices but if Nintendo throws a lot of cash at them to get the rights to those old games, I think it'd be hard to resist. SI
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Yeah- this isn't as big an issue for the XBox as it was for the PSX/N64 when the games were only divided between 2 systems. You have a handful of games but their market is based more on having people buy the latest and greatest (FPS, Sports, etc) and not many of their games have huge staying power. Beyond, say, Halo, Halo 2, Kotor, Kotor 2, and a few others like Ninja Gaiden or Jade Empire or Morrowind, depending on your favorite genre, there's just not much there so I don't think it's too bad of a deal as long as they manage to get ports of those few big games which they have already said they would. It's not like you're going to want Madden 2004 when there's 2006 available for the system- at least not in those gamers minds. SI
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This makes a really natural "price drop" when the PS3 comes out- you stop selling the "bargain" one and everyone gets the high quality one for the same $299. The PS3 is forced to do one of three things: sell the PS3 for $299 and take a huge loss on each one sold- not really Sony's modus operandi but possible, split their price market like the XBox so there's a $299 to compete, or just hope that more people buy your system at $399 than will buy theirs at $299. Another possibility for XBox is to continue selling their lower priced one at $249 or $199 but I would try to just get everyone hooked on our HD stuff if I were Microsoft. The bargain people aren't running to be early adopters anyways. Frankly, I don't think it's that bad of a decision by Microsoft as most are claiming. They captured the headlines on most sites today with "X360 to cost $299" when, really, most people will get to the store, say "hm.. this $399 one is better" and end up dropping $500 this Christmas. Plus, it now puts the pressure on Sony to have to either take a big loss to compete pricewise or give Microsoft an edge in that department. That said, there will be a fair number of naive people who wait back for the PS3 pricing, saying "let's see what it will cost"- Sony won't announce until January or February when people are less likely to drop $500 on an XBox since it's no longer Christmas and we'll either see the 299/399 price that Microsoft has or a 399 and nothing will be gained by those people. This generation will play out a bit differently than the last two, I think, tho. Sony was in the driver's seat from pretty much the start of the PS2 while Nintendo was slated for #2 and just kindof collapsed. This generation, the PS3 has a decent edge in buzz but nowhere near last generation. Plus, with the higher prices, there will be less early adopters and more people will wait back until they get a better picture of this generation. This generation there were quite a few people who had multiple systems or started with one and switched to the other because they were displeased and at $300+, you can't do both initially or switch very easily so the gaming public is a bit more leary of what will come out for their favored system. SI
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I just pre-ordered a few weeks ago at EB Games, and 3 days ago confirmed that I want the 399 system. If this article is correct, and I'm reading it correctly, my pre-order may not be honored? There is no way I'm paying 599 or 699 for these packages. Here is the article from Gamespot:
EB Games opens up Xbox 360 preorders Gamers who thought Microsoft's bundles would lighten their wallets are in for more financial woes as first retailer rolls out 360 bundles. When Microsoft announced the two-tiered pricing structure for its contribution to next-gen gaming, the Xbox 360, the shattering sound heard round the world was the simultaneous smashing of piggy banks. At $299 and $399, many gamers may not be seeing the holiday season's hottest toy under their Christmas trees this year. However, when hot new gaming systems come out, supply is short, and demand is often so high that retailers can elect to sell the units only as parts of bundles that include accessories and games of the retailer's choosing. EBgames.com Like Microsoft, EB Games is offering two bundles, one for gamer's interested in the Core System and one for gamers eyeing the premium package. The Xbox 360 Core Bundle is priced at $599.93, and it includes everything in the standard package, plus an extra wired controller, a 64MB memory unit, and four games: Perfect Dark Zero: Limited Edition, Dead or Alive 4, Project Gotham Racing 3, and Kameo: Elements of Power. Using Microsoft's announced pricing for peripherals and an assumed $59.99 price point for Xbox 360 games, the package unbundled would come to $618.94. The Xbox 360 Ultimate Bundle weighs in at just under $700. Gamers (or generous parents) willing to shell out $699.92 will get the Xbox 360 "premium" package, plus an extra wireless controller with a Play & Charge Kit, a rechargeable battery back for wireless controllers, and the four games mentioned above. Doing some quick math, the sum of the bundle's pieces would be $720.93, again assuming a $59.99 price point for games. After choosing one-day shipping and ordering an Ultimate Bundle within California, the total comes to $777.86. Each bundle is limited to one order per customer. A similar launch strategy was taken by online retailers for the PSP, but the no-frills Value Pack could be found on store shelves shortly after launch. Gamers who think this is concrete evidence that DOA4, PGR3, Perfect Dark, and Kameo will be available the day the Xbox 360 is launched may want to think again. Though all are leading candidates to be available when the 360 hits store shelves, fine print at the bottom of the page reveals that "Dates and prices have not been confirmed and are subject to change." By Tim Surette -- GameSpot POSTED: 08/23/05 04:43 PM PST |
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Any site that posted the news with a headline of "X360 to cost $299," given the circumstances, is not a site I would be trusting to give me an objective analysis of the news. It would be like if President Bush said "I expect to bring the troops home within the next 6 to 18 months" and the news outlets all started reporting "Bush Says Troops Home By March." Yes, technically there is a $299 model, but anybody who pays for that model and decides to add the other stuff later is just begging for anal penetration sans lube. Quote:
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eaglesfan - i'm sure if you raised hell at eb games and took it high enough you could get your $$ back. it might require going over the head of the average weenie in the store, or even the store manager though. because to me that's a bit of "deceptive advertising" or whatever you want to call it
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I'm more hopeful that my reservation for the 399 unit will be honored. Re-reading that article, that pricing might only apply to those who are pre-ordering online or who are just pre-ordering now. At least, I'm hoping that is the case. I'm sure they'll give me back my 50 dollar deposit, if they aren't going to honor the 399 deal. |
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wow, Eagelsfan, that news is pretty hard to swallow. i'm not interested in rechargeable battery packs for my wireless controller (if i decide to go with 360, which i'm currently leaning heavily towards at the moment). paying $700 for a console is kinda stretching just how much i'm willing to devote to my video game hobby.
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I completely agree. If they try to say that I can't just get the system for 399, I will be cancelling my pre-order and will probably wait until the price drops to get the system. |
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08-23-2005, 11:48 PM | #74 | |
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well i wouldn't think they'd give you the whole package for 399, but if you mean just give you the core unit for 399, i think that might be do-able. not that i'm speaking from any experience or authority |
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Yeah, I'm just expecting them to give the package that Microsoft announced for 399. I'm not expecting them to give me the games and all that for 399. |
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08-23-2005, 11:51 PM | #76 | |
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Here's the really shitty thing: I'd be willing to bet that they won't let you cancel the preorder outright, but that they'll require that you move the money to another title. They did that to me a long time ago on a freakin' $50 game. They had pissed me off for some reason or another, and I had two or three outstanding preorders with them. I went to cancel them, and they told me I couldn't cancel them outright, that I had to either leave them alone or move the money to another title. I was, like, 15 and didn't bother "going over the weenie's head," so I don't know if that would have made a difference. Incidentally, when they started taking Xbox preorders back in 2001, they were requiring bundles from the get-go. I'm a little surprised that they didn't offer the preorders in a placeholder bundle of some kind with a "price subject to change" disclaimer. |
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i wouldn't find that acceptable, DaddyTargo. i think Eaglesfan was very clear in which package he wanted for that $399.
this is all silly, nonetheless. even the article mentions how for the PSP they very shortly made it possible to buy units without packages. at worst it seems Eaglesfan would simply have to wait until after the holiday season to pick up a $399 console without the bundle requirements. i think i can afford to pick up a 360 with the bundle requirements, but it's just the principal of 2 things: being forced to purchase products i'm not interested in and with the amount you'd ultimately wind up spending on an EB bundle you could basically buy a 360 and a PS3. so it's a matter of justifying the price in my book. and i'm also not interested in those bundle games, which makes this deal seem even less appealing. *maybe* if it was an EA bundle, with like Madden, NBA, Tiger Woods and NHL 2006...then maybe they might have possibly reeled me in. |
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Agh. I was planning to go to GameStop tomorrow to reserve my $399 system. I'll give it a shot, but if they're going to pull the same stunt that EB appears to be trying, I may have to wait.
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On Thursday or Friday, I specifically asked the guy if I will be getting the bundle as announced by Microsoft for 399. The clerk told me yes, but they didn't give me anything in writing except a receipt for 50 dollars down on the Xbox 360. I don't have anything in writing that specifies that I will definitely get it for 399. |
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Yeah, I could afford to pick up a bundle. I just don't like being forced to buy games that I'm not interested in to get a gaming system. I won't buy it on a matter of principal if they do that. |
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yeah. now i'm no console gamer, but NONE of those games look even remotely familiar to me. i would have serious issues with that, why can't they just offer say a voucher for any 4 games released in ohh...the first year the 360 is out? I bet they'd get more bundle-orders that way. Idiots...
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Yeah, I'd gladly take the bundle if they did that.
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course i'm sure it'd be hell for them to work out. if they specify the titles they can just get a good deal from the makers on them and pre-bundle it all. So you know they're making a fucking KILLING on those games in the bundle too. But yeah I would think it would make sense for them to offer some different types of bundles "sports" "fps" "RPG" at least.
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I may wait and see what Walmart is doing in the terms of preorders. If i have to wait in line on opening night there, in order to get the 399 system, and a copy of madden, that's what I'll do. I never bought an Xbox 1, so i am looking forward to getting some of the backwards compatible titles too, I really dont like any of the games they are bundling, except for maybe perfect dark.
Anyways, from what i had read about the last launches is that they made everyone buy bundles since the wholesale price was so high that unless you bought some of the stuff they saw a profit on, they were losing money selling you the console(After the store paid for shipping, etc) |
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CNET has it at $299, the search page for MSNBC has $299, and Reuters has one of each. Gamespot and IGN, pretty much the top gaming sites, both have "dual pricing" motifs as does USA Today. So, they did grab their fair share of headlines for it at 299. SI
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That's why I plan to wait. Well, that's 10% of the reason. The other 90% is the fact that I don't see any games on the list of XBox360 games that will be available that I even want to play, let alone consider "have to have" titles. Except maybe NHL 2K6, but I wouldn't buy a new console for just one game (Ok, I would, but I'm poor so I can't justify it even to myself right now. ). So til next spring I wait to see how it all plays out. |
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Emphasis mine. Consider the source. Note that virtually every other article either also references the $399 price point, or attributes the $299 lede to a Microsoft representative. Note further that many of the sources buying the $299 line are not sources to which one would ordinarily turn for gaming news. The mainstream press is a wonderful tool if you want to release a technology-driven product, because they understand about one word in every ten that they actually print when it comes to such things. |
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For those wondering, I called the EB where I have a preorder and the guy said these announced bundles are on the website only. The stores are still selling just the systems at $299 and $399.
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for what its worth,a little birdie told me that the supply of these is going to be really, really restricted, especially since MS is losing more than $160 on each. They're hoping to cut more costs, but without competition from Sony in the short-run, they aren't really worried about not gaining the entire early adapter market. Furthermore, the PS3 is going to be more powerful according to set person - significantly so.
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This doesn't make much sense - the whole point of releasing early is to get a big head-start on console sales. They may be losing money on each of the units (though I'd be surprised if it's as much as $160) but the only way they make back that money is to sell the software. They're going to sell more software if more people buy the console. I can understand artificially limiting the initial supply for X-mas hoping to artificially up demand, but I would be shocked if supply was still low come February. Obviously they do better if there's a high rate of software sales per console, but they need to have a lot of people buying the console in the first place to drive the software sales (once you have the console, you'll probably continue buying games over the lifespan of owning it). As for the power comparison, we'll see. I expect the PS3 is more powerful than the Xbox360, but there's some question as to whether the raw horsepower advantage is mitigated by a less-efficient architecture, and more importantly whether the difficulty of programming for that architecture vs. the simpler Xbox360 API's will blunt the ability of game makers to take full advantage of the PS3. In a reverse of the last generation, I think you'll see most game-makers focus on making their Xbox360 version and then do a simple port for the PS3 without spending much time trying to upgrade the quality of the game, similar to how many companies currently build for the PS2 and do basic ports to the Xbox. BTW, anyone else notice that all the Xbox360 games being advertised on EBGames are priced at $60? Looks like the game industry is trying to drive up the standard starting price for games another $10 (I suppose that's already been happening to a certain extent for PC games and new console releases). |
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I would expect the PS3 games to be the same price, as the Blu_ray discs average $18 each.
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It's not necessarily the console of choice DESPITE sales. For example, Ghost Recon 2 was an Xbox-first game, even though the PS2 has a larger user base. Installed base influences what platforms you may choose to ship on (will it be profitable?), but not necessarily which one if any will be the "lead" SKU. I say "if any" in there, because it is also possible to turn different teams loose on the different SKUs, making each its own "lead". Several factors can play into this, not the least of which is cost of development on a given platform. As alluded to above, the PS2 is more difficult to write code for than the Xbox. PS2 makes up for that by having a larger installed base, and thus typically higher sales figures. That evens it out.
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The logical reason is that if you're going to produce a game for both platforms (and most software companies do so) you'd like to consolidate as much of that work as you can to save on development costs as well as time. If one of the platforms has less horsepower then it makes financial sense to build your game with the lesser specs in mind as a base level - it's usually easier to then add more complexity later than to try and pare down. I'm in the business, and this is the tack that is taken - you design the architecture of the game so that it works for the lesser system, then if you have the resources and the inclination you can add stuff for the better system to take advantage of what it offers. Now, the likelihood that the PS3 will outsell the Xbox360 means that there will probably be more publishers putting an effort into making their PS3 versions more than just straight ports and will try to take advantage of any PS3 edges than you see currently with Xbox versions of PS2 games. But the basic game building will still, in most cases, but designed with the Xbox360 in mind as a base level. |
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