WW CV: Transformers (D5, day ends Friday 9 PM EST) - Page 2

PurdueBrad · 11-01-2009, 09:36 PM

I'll help. The Fallen is one of the first race of Primes (Optimus' legacy) and he is one that went rogue or bad.

Autumn · 11-01-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

(Cue Linkin Park and we begin with a slo-mo shot of Megan Fox)

Can we middle and end with that too?

Autumn · 11-01-2009, 09:37 PM

All right, well I'm here. I'm pretty much gone for the night here but should be around a fair amount tomorrow. This will be fun.

Lathum · 11-01-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

If he votes like Eli plays he'll probably end up voting for himself...

haha

Lathum · 11-01-2009, 09:45 PM

vote EF

Passacaglia · 11-01-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'll help. The Fallen are the first race of Primes (Optimus' legacy) and The Fallen is one that went rogue or bad.

So The Fallen are both? My only experience is the comic books, and my memories of the TV shows from over 20 years ago.

Schmidty · 11-01-2009, 09:48 PM

I'm here.

Schmidty · 11-01-2009, 09:49 PM

VOTE ALANT

Because he didn't play in my game.

PurdueBrad · 11-01-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So The Fallen are both? My only experience is the comic books, and my memories of the TV shows from over 20 years ago.

Yeah, Primes are the same race as the Autobots and Decepticons, they were good, preserved worlds, etc except for the one known as The Fallen. He looked to destroy and gain power.

DaddyTorgo · 11-01-2009, 09:56 PM

what's up? i got my role

PurdueBrad · 11-01-2009, 09:58 PM

Votes starting at post 50 count:

Eaglefan (1): Lathum (55)
Alan T (1): Schmidty (58)

Alan T · 11-01-2009, 10:08 PM

Checking in. I see that I already have a vote. That was record time for me!

Anyways, I'm out until tomorrow.

EagleFan · 11-01-2009, 10:10 PM

vote Schmidty

Pretty poor reason for a vote.

Schmidty · 11-01-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

vote Schmidty

Pretty poor reason for a vote.

It's day one. I was joking. But I'll agree with you.

Unvote AlanT

Vote EagleFan

EagleFan · 11-01-2009, 10:14 PM

1st poor reason, then becoming the first to cast a second vote (and this early). Not a great track record already.

lerriuqs · 11-01-2009, 10:14 PM

Checking in. Out till tomorrow.

Schmidty · 11-01-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

1st poor reason, then becoming the first to cast a second vote (and this early). Not a great track record already.

Why?

I don't get it. What's so bad about that? It's day one. I'm a crappy player as everyone knows, so enlighten me as to your reasoning that it's a bad "track record" (as if you can have one after 3 total votes on day one).

Seems to me that you're really latching on to something pretty tightly there EF...

EagleFan · 11-01-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Why?

I don't get it. What's so bad about that? It's day one. I'm a crappy player as everyone knows, so enlighten me as to your reasoning that it's a bad "track record" (as if you can have one after 3 total votes on day one).

Seems to me that you're really latching on to something pretty tightly there EF...

Lighten up. Just pointing out two things that I have seen people come after others for on day one votes. 1st was using a similar type of excuse for the vote, 2nd thing that has caused suspicion in the past has been making a second vote on someone and you just provided the 3rd, getting too defensive about your voting on day one.

I actually think you are clear (though I see where thinking got me last game) as I didn't see you do any of that when you were actually a wolf.

LoneStarGirl · 11-01-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

1st poor reason, then becoming the first to cast a second vote (and this early). Not a great track record already.

I definitely have to agree. I have never been fond on the person to cast the first second vote on somebody. In past games I have always voted for this person, but this game I am goin to wait it out.

I was really excited to get my PM and see that I had a role, then I checked the thread and realized everybody had a role!

Question : When you are in disguise you are the car correct? And nobody can tell if you are good or bad? Even though in the movie Chevys were good and Ford bad?

Schmidty · 11-01-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Lighten up.

Huh? I'm not even remotely mad or worked up. Just asked a question.

Sheesh,

Schmidty · 11-01-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I definitely have to agree. I have never been fond on the person to cast the first second vote on somebody

This is the silliest WW "tradition" of all. There is no evidence at all that it's a good indicator of wolfishness. To me, calling people out for it is just an excuse to pin stuff on an easy target.

Remind me to go back to being UTR next time.

PurdueBrad · 11-01-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Question : When you are in disguise you are the car correct? And nobody can tell if you are good or bad? Even though in the movie Chevys were good and Ford bad?

Hehe, I loved that from the movie. When you are disguised, you are in car mode and characters might be able to find things out about you, kill you, etc. and it is more likely than if you are in your robot mode. However, if you do a night action, it puts you in disguise mode. Hope that helps!

The Jackal · 11-01-2009, 10:50 PM

checking in, go phillies?

Chief Rum · 11-01-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Yeah, Fallen are the same race as the Autobots and Decepticons, they were good, preserved worlds, etc except for the one known as The Fallen. He looked to destroy and gain power.

I am not part of this game (just a possible alternate), so forgive me if I go off into a side thing here, but this is really confusing.

The Fallen==the first race of Primes
The Fallen==the one robot from among those Primes that went rogue

?

I think we have some confusion here.

I went to wiki, the website which knows all (so take this FWIW), and there were two "Fallens" put forth.

Comic version:

The Fallen was one of 13 original Transformers built Primus, who is something like the father of all Transformers. The Fallen betrayed his creator and followed Primus's evil twin Unicron. Unicron and the Fallen fought against Primus and the rest of the created Transformers (got fuzzy here, but I believe they were called the Primes) and were defeated, and the Fallen was sucked into some space between dimensions through a black hole. He was later accidentally freed, and in the ensuing war he started, was destroyed by Primus himself.

Film version:

The Fallen was one of seven Primes (the first Transformers), who were all designated to find systems to build Sun Harvesters to create energon, the energy Transformers use to survive. There was only one rule, and that was that the Primes could not build Sun Harvesters in systems that contain life (the SHs destroy the suns and systems). The Fallen chose to ignore this, believing the Transformers were the ultimate race, and built one on Earth. He gathered other similarly minded Transformers (non-Primes) to his side and formed the "Decepticons". That triggered a war between the Decepticons and the Primes. The Primes won, their former brother the Fallen was imprisoned on Cybertron, and the Matrix of Leadership, the tool which activates the Sun Harvester on Earth, was hidden in a tomb composed of the Primes bodies.

Optimus Prime is the last of those Primes. And only a Prime can kill the Fallen. Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons when the Fallen ain't around, but he acknowledges the Fallen as his master. The Decepticons wear a carticature of the Fallen's face as their symbol.

The rest of it delves more into what happens in the movie (some of which I revealed here), and I doubt it's necessary to get further into it and at the same time reveal the movie plot and what not. Just in case anyone wants to see it who hasn't.

DaddyTorgo · 11-01-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

This is the silliest WW "tradition" of all. There is no evidence at all that it's a good indicator of wolfishness. To me, calling people out for it is just an excuse to pin stuff on an easy target.

Remind me to go back to being UTR next time.

I agree about this being silly.

PurdueBrad · 11-01-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Film version:

The Fallen was one of seven Primes (the first Transformers), who were all designated to find systems to build Sun Harvesters to create energon, the energy Transformers use to survive. There was only one rule, and that was that the Primes could not build Sun Harvesters in systems that contain life (the SHs destroy the suns and systems). The Fallen chose to ignore this, believing the Transformers were the ultimate race, and built one on Earth. He gathered other similarly minded Transformers (non-Primes) to his side and formed the "Decepticons". That triggered a war between the Decepticons and the Primes. The Primes won, their former brother the Fallen was imprisoned on Cybertron, and the Matrix of Leadership, the tool which activates the Sun Harvester on Earth, was hidden in a tomb composed of the Primes bodies.

Optimus Prime is the last of those Primes. And only a Prime can kill the Fallen. Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons when the Fallen ain't around, but he acknowledges the Fallen as his master. The Decepticons wear a carticature of the Fallen's face as their symbol.

The rest of it delves more into what happens in the movie (some of which I revealed here), and I doubt it's necessary to get further into it and at the same time reveal the movie plot and what not. Just in case anyone wants to see it who hasn't.

That's the version I went with despite much preferring the comic book version. The Fallen here won't have the same kill conditions although it was something I considered. I just felt it overpowered that role to make The Fallen killable by only two characters.

PurdueBrad · 11-01-2009, 11:37 PM

Votes as of post 76:

Eaglefan (2): Lathum (55), Schmidty (64)
Schmidty (1): Eaglefan (63)

J23 · 11-02-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

If you choose not to exercise your action, you'll be left in protected (Transformer) mode at night. I hope that makes it easier to understand.

Unless I'm missing something, the only thing that I can see in the rules that you're protected from is the Scanner 2.0. I'm guessing that I'm missing something since there doesn't seem to be any advantage for the Transformers to stay "in disguise". In fact, looking at the Stalker role, it seems better to not be in disguise since it says they only find out the role if disguised.

Darth Vilus · 11-02-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hehe, I loved that from the movie. When you are disguised, you are in car mode BUT some characters might be able to find things out about you, kill you, etc. but it is less likely than if you are in your robot mode. However, if you do a night action, it puts you in Robot mode. Hope that helps!

I think you meant to say " if you do a night action it puts you in disguise mode" not robot mode.

also, i dont think the 7 primes in the movie were part of something called the fallen, i think The fallen just refers to the transformer who "fell", as in go over to the dark side.

Darth Vilus · 11-02-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by J23

Unless I'm missing something, the only thing that I can see in the rules that you're protected from is the Scanner 2.0. I'm guessing that I'm missing something since there doesn't seem to be any advantage for the Transformers to stay "in disguise". In fact, looking at the Stalker role, it seems better to not be in disguise since it says they only find out the role if disguised.

Most players won't be able to use their actions unless they go into disguise mode.

Darth Vilus · 11-02-2009, 01:13 AM

oh and just warning everyone, i have to be at work by 4:00 Est tomorrow so I'll have to vote early and then won't be around for awhile.

Danny · 11-02-2009, 01:17 AM

I finally read through the rules. Game is not too bad in complexity with the only real ? being how the disguise mode aspect will work. Also since we have 19 players, normally a breakdown of 14 autobots, 4 decepticons and 1 fallen would make sense. But because of all the roles, I'd say there is a decent chance it is actually 13 autobots, 5 decepticons and 1 fallen.

RendeR · 11-02-2009, 01:24 AM

Checking in. Its been awhile, be gentle with me *meep*

PurdueBrad · 11-02-2009, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

I think you meant to say " if you do a night action it puts you in disguise mode" not robot mode.

Thanks, and corrected.

Passacaglia · 11-02-2009, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I definitely have to agree. I have never been fond on the person to cast the first second vote on somebody. In past games I have always voted for this person, but this game I am goin to wait it out.

Out of curiosity, have you checked to see how well that strategy has worked out for you?

Passacaglia · 11-02-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

This is the silliest WW "tradition" of all. There is no evidence at all that it's a good indicator of wolfishness. To me, calling people out for it is just an excuse to pin stuff on an easy target.

Remind me to go back to being UTR next time.

I agree with this -- I see it as basically being a form of being UTR. Which I won't remind you to do, Schmidty, even though I also think that voting for someone just because they challenge you in the slightest is another form of being UTR -- basically giving yourself the out to say "well he was attacking me" rather than having to put yourself out there for something.

PurdueBrad · 11-02-2009, 08:15 AM

Holloman Air Force Base, Alamagordo, New Mexico-

The sun breaks over the base, chasing away several days of rain. Some morning dew and fog still lingers and several of the airmen, walking from their barracks to the mess hall, think, "It's a good day to be in the Air Force."

You see, life has been quiet around here, even after the government moved a lot of materials from the now defunct Sector 7. In its place, a new group has sprung up named N.E.S.T. (Networked Elements: Support and Transformers) that serves as a quick strike team against Decepticons around the globe.

Today, with the Autobots away, the Decepticons will play. The Constructicons, a group made of up multiple Decepticons, that form one larger robot are unleashing havoc. The call goes out to Optimus Prime and the Autobots begin racing to confront their first Decepticon threat...

votes are due by 9 EST

PurdueBrad · 11-02-2009, 08:23 AM

I think I've played in games with all of you but I have decent access at work and will do my best to answer any and all questions within a half hour to forty-five minutes. As I stated before, the exception will be this afternoon when I'm unavailable from 4:30 EST to 8 EST. My apologies for that.

J23 · 11-02-2009, 09:30 AM

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By being in this state, there are very large disadvantages, such as a much higher chance of being nightkilled or perhaps challenged/killed by another player.

I guess this is the section that I had missed initially. Are the mechanics behind this hidden I take it? By reading this, it seems if we don't use our powers, we have a chance of surviving a nightkill order?

PurdueBrad · 11-02-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by J23

I guess this is the section that I had missed initially. Are the mechanics behind this hidden I take it? By reading this, it seems if we don't use our powers, we have a chance of surviving a nightkill order?

This is true, there is a greater chance of surviving a nightkill but it means you pass on using your power. This was originally going to be completely hidden but in laying out the Powerful wolf's powers, it is easy to infer that there is a mechanic at work.

Danny · 11-02-2009, 09:50 AM

I have to go, I will be at work until about 30 minutes before deadline, so will place a vote now just in case

Danny · 11-02-2009, 09:50 AM

Vote Lerriuqs

Danny · 11-02-2009, 09:51 AM

I picked him because he tends to be a quiet player and usually avoids suspicion early on in games.

Autumn · 11-02-2009, 09:54 AM

All right, thanks for not talking too much overnight guys. It's hard to say what the numbers would be, since there's some percentage chance, and we don't know how much, of surviving a night kill, not to mention our other powers. It should be interesting.

I should be around fairly often so I'll hold on to my vote for now.

Passacaglia · 11-02-2009, 10:00 AM

I would like to vote PurdueBrad for failing to number the list of sign-ups. Am I seriously expected to count for myself how many players there are? Epic fail.

Alan T · 11-02-2009, 10:04 AM

Usually on day 1, I try to see what I can tell about people from their posts. Try to get a feel and vote with that. If I don't really pick up on anything, I just go with someone who hadn't checked in as default.

Since I'm not sure of my availability today, I need to go ahead and get a vote in. I don't really have a great place to put my day 1 vote, so will go with the person who made me think the most about their posts so far.

It was proven long ago that the second vote on someone on day 1 historically has been a far higher percentage of being a villager than a wolf. (To go along with historically there are far more villagers than wolves on day 1 anyways). Eaglefan used this logic earlier as he subtly threw it out as a reason why Schmidty looked bad.

Now, I'm not used to having wolves come out and try to ruffle me up on day 1 or try to draw my attention by putting an early vote on me like Schmidty did, so I guess I just took it for what it was and left it at that.

I guess I just got a weird vibe from Eaglefan's posts last night. So I'll put my vote there. I know it is a third vote on him and only one other person has a vote thus far, but *shrug* its what I have so I'll go with it. I might be back later, hopefully will. But just in case I don't.

Vote Eaglefan

Passacaglia · 11-02-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

You had more hope for my football team than I did.

I just left Passacaglia in the above quote because he is a UM fan

Just saw this -- I had been avoiding the thread for spoilers, since I didn't watch most of the 2nd half until Sunday morning. On Saturday, I had watched right up until the Illini scored to make it 14-13. I was still feeling pretty good. But wow, what a bunch of crap. You're going to seriously let momentum from a goal-line stand carry Illinois to 31 unanswered points? Jesus. At this point, beating Purdue is probably our only shot at a bowl game, since beating Wisconsin or Ohio State is very unlikely.

PurdueBrad · 11-02-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I would like to vote PurdueBrad for failing to number the list of sign-ups. Am I seriously expected to count for myself how many players there are? Epic fail.

Your wish is my command...it is done. Now, GO PURDUE!!!

lerriuqs · 11-02-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Usually on day 1, I try to see what I can tell about people from their posts. Try to get a feel and vote with that. If I don't really pick up on anything, I just go with someone who hadn't checked in as default.

Since I'm not sure of my availability today, I need to go ahead and get a vote in. I don't really have a great place to put my day 1 vote, so will go with the person who made me think the most about their posts so far.

It was proven long ago that the second vote on someone on day 1 historically has been a far higher percentage of being a villager than a wolf. (To go along with historically there are far more villagers than wolves on day 1 anyways). Eaglefan used this logic earlier as he subtly threw it out as a reason why Schmidty looked bad.

Now, I'm not used to having wolves come out and try to ruffle me up on day 1 or try to draw my attention by putting an early vote on me like Schmidty did, so I guess I just took it for what it was and left it at that.

I guess I just got a weird vibe from Eaglefan's posts last night. So I'll put my vote there. I know it is a third vote on him and only one other person has a vote thus far, but *shrug* its what I have so I'll go with it. I might be back later, hopefully will. But just in case I don't.

Vote Eaglefan

An interesting post. I may very follow this but I would like to see how things go for a while longer before I cast my vote. I don't really like putting Vote number four down this early on Day one when there's no one else that's close at this point...

hoopsguy · 11-02-2009, 10:22 AM

PB, are you willing to share a high-level overview on the order of actions? There seem like a few different abilities that could collide and it would be helpful to know order-of-actions in order to interpret results correctly.

11-01-2009, 09:48 PM	#57
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I'm here. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

11-01-2009, 09:49 PM	#58
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	VOTE ALANT Because he didn't play in my game. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

11-01-2009, 09:56 PM	#60
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	what's up? i got my role __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

11-01-2009, 10:08 PM	#62
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Checking in. I see that I already have a vote. That was record time for me! Anyways, I'm out until tomorrow. __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

11-01-2009, 11:37 PM	#77
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Votes as of post 76: Eaglefan (2): Lathum (55), Schmidty (64) Schmidty (1): Eaglefan (63) Last edited by PurdueBrad : 11-01-2009 at 11:38 PM.

11-01-2009, 09:37 PM	#53
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	All right, well I'm here. I'm pretty much gone for the night here but should be around a fair amount tomorrow. This will be fun.

11-01-2009, 09:45 PM	#55
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	vote EF

11-01-2009, 09:58 PM	#61
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Votes starting at post 50 count: Eaglefan (1): Lathum (55) Alan T (1): Schmidty (58)

11-01-2009, 10:10 PM	#63
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	vote Schmidty Pretty poor reason for a vote.

11-01-2009, 10:14 PM	#65
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	1st poor reason, then becoming the first to cast a second vote (and this early). Not a great track record already.

11-01-2009, 10:14 PM	#66
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	Checking in. Out till tomorrow.

11-01-2009, 10:50 PM	#73
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	checking in, go phillies?

11-02-2009, 01:13 AM	#81
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	oh and just warning everyone, i have to be at work by 4:00 Est tomorrow so I'll have to vote early and then won't be around for awhile. __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

11-02-2009, 01:17 AM	#82
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I finally read through the rules. Game is not too bad in complexity with the only real ? being how the disguise mode aspect will work. Also since we have 19 players, normally a breakdown of 14 autobots, 4 decepticons and 1 fallen would make sense. But because of all the roles, I'd say there is a decent chance it is actually 13 autobots, 5 decepticons and 1 fallen.

11-02-2009, 01:24 AM	#83
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Checking in. Its been awhile, be gentle with me meep __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

11-02-2009, 08:15 AM	#87
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Holloman Air Force Base, Alamagordo, New Mexico- The sun breaks over the base, chasing away several days of rain. Some morning dew and fog still lingers and several of the airmen, walking from their barracks to the mess hall, think, "It's a good day to be in the Air Force." You see, life has been quiet around here, even after the government moved a lot of materials from the now defunct Sector 7. In its place, a new group has sprung up named N.E.S.T. (Networked Elements: Support and Transformers) that serves as a quick strike team against Decepticons around the globe. Today, with the Autobots away, the Decepticons will play. The Constructicons, a group made of up multiple Decepticons, that form one larger robot are unleashing havoc. The call goes out to Optimus Prime and the Autobots begin racing to confront their first Decepticon threat... votes are due by 9 EST

11-02-2009, 08:23 AM	#88
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I think I've played in games with all of you but I have decent access at work and will do my best to answer any and all questions within a half hour to forty-five minutes. As I stated before, the exception will be this afternoon when I'm unavailable from 4:30 EST to 8 EST. My apologies for that.

11-02-2009, 09:50 AM	#91
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I have to go, I will be at work until about 30 minutes before deadline, so will place a vote now just in case

11-02-2009, 09:51 AM	#93
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I picked him because he tends to be a quiet player and usually avoids suspicion early on in games.

11-02-2009, 09:54 AM	#94
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	All right, thanks for not talking too much overnight guys. It's hard to say what the numbers would be, since there's some percentage chance, and we don't know how much, of surviving a night kill, not to mention our other powers. It should be interesting. I should be around fairly often so I'll hold on to my vote for now.

11-02-2009, 10:00 AM	#95
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I would like to vote PurdueBrad for failing to number the list of sign-ups. Am I seriously expected to count for myself how many players there are? Epic fail.

11-02-2009, 10:04 AM	#96
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Usually on day 1, I try to see what I can tell about people from their posts. Try to get a feel and vote with that. If I don't really pick up on anything, I just go with someone who hadn't checked in as default. Since I'm not sure of my availability today, I need to go ahead and get a vote in. I don't really have a great place to put my day 1 vote, so will go with the person who made me think the most about their posts so far. It was proven long ago that the second vote on someone on day 1 historically has been a far higher percentage of being a villager than a wolf. (To go along with historically there are far more villagers than wolves on day 1 anyways). Eaglefan used this logic earlier as he subtly threw it out as a reason why Schmidty looked bad. Now, I'm not used to having wolves come out and try to ruffle me up on day 1 or try to draw my attention by putting an early vote on me like Schmidty did, so I guess I just took it for what it was and left it at that. I guess I just got a weird vibe from Eaglefan's posts last night. So I'll put my vote there. I know it is a third vote on him and only one other person has a vote thus far, but shrug its what I have so I'll go with it. I might be back later, hopefully will. But just in case I don't. Vote Eaglefan __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

11-02-2009, 10:22 AM	#100
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	PB, are you willing to share a high-level overview on the order of actions? There seem like a few different abilities that could collide and it would be helpful to know order-of-actions in order to interpret results correctly.

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