Werewolf XLVII City of Wonder (Game Over!)

[st.cronin]

I'm assuming the vote against saldana (by ntndeacon) doesn't count, since it was made before roles went out. I'll make the first vote:

vote Alan T

For forcing me to reveal that I was the seer in the last game.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm assuming the vote against saldana (by ntndeacon) doesn't count, since it was made before roles went out. I'll make the first vote:

vote Alan T

For forcing me to reveal that I was the seer in the last game.

I didn't force you to do that, I just made two bad reads last game is all. I read you wrong, thinking you were trying to get the seer to reveal, and I read DT wrong figuring that a wolf wouldn't have done the things so obviously as he did. I'm not the only one who makes mistakes anyhows.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I didn't force you to do that, I just made two bad reads last game is all. I read you wrong, thinking you were trying to get the seer to reveal, and I read DT wrong figuring that a wolf wouldn't have done the things so obviously as he did. I'm not the only one who makes mistakes anyhows.

I actually blame both you and Barkeep, but I can't very well vote for Barkeep.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I actually blame both you and Barkeep, but I can't very well vote for Barkeep.

I still feel the way I did about that game, coming out with what you said the way you did was too obvious to me of a move, and I thought it was an attempt to get the real seer to go after you and draw a target on their back. Thus I moved my vote after you to try to take that heat instead. I didn't think as the seer you would have done that. If you feel thats a good enough of a reason to vote for me, then so be it. I would probably make the same move again in the future if I felt the need to.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I actually blame both you and Barkeep, but I can't very well vote for Barkeep.

Sure you can. I think we'd all be amused.

[Passacaglia]

Villager here. I'll put in a vote.

VOTE ST.CRONIN

[Lathum]

I may be out until close to deadline unless I get a chance to run home real quick.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

pretty random but his " I never die early in werewolf" comments make me think he needs to be humbled

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm assuming the vote against saldana (by ntndeacon) doesn't count, since it was made before roles went out. I'll make the first vote:

vote Alan T

For forcing me to reveal that I was the seer in the last game.

It was before the day starts, so I am assuming it does not count as well. Even if it does though, I will be voting later that would override that choice.

[saldana]

for the same reason as last game...i just think someone should do this to make him feel better...


vote hoopsguy

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

It was before the day starts, so I am assuming it does not count as well. Even if it does though, I will be voting later that would override that choice.

The vote does not count.

[RendeR]

Hrm, its very early and I might change my mind, but since it IS day 1 and we know nothing at all, I'll stick with my stand by day 1 vote and :


Vote DaddyTorgo

[Alan T]

Still early, but I'll thow out a vote.

For being the first person to be a second vote on someone:

Vote Render

Not really set on this firmly, and could change later. Just need something to go on for day 1 and this is as good as anything I guess.

[ntndeacon]

I kinda think that the first to be the second vote on someone is usually NOT a wolf. The reasoning is this....Most wolves know of the infamy that dreaded position and will avoid it at all costs. So at least for the first day Render has moved up on my trust list some.

[ntndeacon]

Since I need to vote I will do it now, if I need to change later I can. Don't havea great reason to vote for anyone, so Iwill go will a sneaky wolf when he is in that situation...
Vote path

[LoneStarGirl]

Damnit Lathum and render, that was supposed to me my job.

Daddy you brought this on yourself

vote daddytorgo

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I kinda think that the first to be the second vote on someone is usually NOT a wolf. The reasoning is this....Most wolves know of the infamy that dreaded position and will avoid it at all costs. So at least for the first day Render has moved up on my trust list some.

You are probably right, but with it being day 1, It was a reason beyond rolling dice at least. I'll likely do the same thing I do in most games if it looks like a run away and move my vote to at least try to keep the vote somewhat close and meaningful. Right now there are 3 votes for one player and everyone else with 1 or 0. If the votes all run away on DT, we don't really learn anything down the road from this vote.

And to not have the same arguement used against me as was used last game, no I don't want ties, I don't like ties, but keeping things close to keep an eye out for late movement only helps us later.

[DaddyTorgo]

been really busy all day (trip to montreal canceled. stupid air canada stupid canceled flight). Should at least be home early, but may not post much before then. lots of data-entry work going on right now.

saw something about runaway of votes on me. don't all pile on me. i'm a villager. and i have some cool toys (i think).

[RendeR]

Please PLEASE don't read anything into my vote. I know absolutely nothing and my vote is just a fallback to "Well I voted for DT first last time, so wtf.."

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Please PLEASE don't read anything into my vote. I know absolutely nothing and my vote is just a fallback to "Well I voted for DT first last time, so wtf.."

Then are you willing to move it, and vote for someone else?

[path12]

No clue where to go, so I will:

VOTE ARDENT

Just to welcome him back.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Please PLEASE don't read anything into my vote. I know absolutely nothing and my vote is just a fallback to "Well I voted for DT first last time, so wtf.."

could be a wolf running scared and not wanting to be pinned down to a D1 vote??

[Swaggs]

Vote Render

A day one vote, but I thought his post #41 was a little over the top in trying to sell the fact that he is not a wolf. Probably nothing, but it doesn't take much to get on my Day 1 radar.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by saldana

for the same reason as last game...i just think someone should do this to make him feel better...


vote hoopsguy

Hmm, weren't you a wolf last game when you put that vote out there?

I'm going to put a vote on NTN for participating in second-level thinking. His defense of RendeR, for not doing the obvious wolf play, is clearly the move of a wolf looking to build trust early in the game. So I have no choice but to engage in third-level thinking and cast my vote for the obvious wolf. This game is easy sometimes

VOTE NTNDEACON

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Hmm, weren't you a wolf last game when you put that vote out there?

I'm going to put a vote on NTN for participating in second-level thinking. His defense of RendeR, for not doing the obvious wolf play, is clearly the move of a wolf looking to build trust early in the game. So I have no choice but to engage in third-level thinking and cast my vote for the obvious wolf. This game is easy sometimes

VOTE NTNDEACON

Does this say that you believe Render is good? Cuz that is what iread into this. Maybe this is a wolf using third level thinking to throw us off his track. It is enough for me to be suspicious of you. Trying to weed out folks who will try to think like the wolves might.

[hoopsguy]

NTN, if I do go with the premise that you = wolf then I think I tilt RendeR towards the good side just a bit. But more or less this post was just made with the intention of having some fun with a pretty random Day 1 vote.

[ntndeacon]

Oh I realized that you were just giving a reason for your vote and having a bit of fun. I definately wasn't offended. And could tell it was somewhat random.

[Barkeep49]

Here's a vote count for you:

Alan – st.cronin (51)
cronin – Pass (56)
Daddy T – Lathum (57), Render (61), LSG (65)
Hoops – saldana (59)
Render – Alan (62), Swaggs (72)
Path – NTN (64)
Ardent – path (70)
NTN – Hoopsguy (73)

No Vote: Rum Ardent, GE, Daddy T

[LoneStarGirl]

who has Daddy voted for Barkeep?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

who has Daddy voted for Barkeep?

No one. Now corrected.

[LoneStarGirl]

Just keeping you on your toes

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Then are you willing to move it, and vote for someone else?

Absolutely, if given a valid reason to do so I will happily jump my vote onto someone else. Me voting for DT on day 1 is like...wandering up to the tasty-freeze and ordering a vanilla cone...its just a default action.

[DaddyTorgo]

my original message was wrong. I'm a villegar still, and I have 2 items of fun. Gonna see how I can use them.

[DaddyTorgo]

self-preservation vote.

although I wonder if that's what the wolves want, hmm?

VOTE RENDER

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Absolutely, if given a valid reason to do so I will happily jump my vote onto someone else. Me voting for DT on day 1 is like...wandering up to the tasty-freeze and ordering a vanilla cone...its just a default action.

That seems like an odd strategy.

UNVOTE ST.CRONIN

VOTE RENDER

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

self-preservation vote.

although I wonder if that's what the wolves want, hmm?

VOTE RENDER

You keep mentioning that you have some neat items, now you're suggesting that the wolves are pushing us at Render and you for some reason? This comes off to me as trying a bit too hard.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

You keep mentioning that you have some neat items, now you're suggesting that the wolves are pushing us at Render and you for some reason? This comes off to me as trying a bit too hard.

that 2nd comment about the pushing was more...meta-game than this particular game. Just a sorta...realization I had.

and my items...they are pretty cool I guess. But then again I think that most of the objects in this game are nifty. I have the charm of persuasion for one. And something else.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Lathum

pretty random but his " I never die early in werewolf" comments make me think he needs to be humbled

QFT.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[Poli]

Originally Posted by path12

No clue where to go, so I will:

VOTE ARDENT

Just to welcome him back.

I got welcomed back with a candy cane, thanks.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

When a player is lynched each item will be randomly given to a player who voted for them. Each player can only receive one item this way. If the lynched player had more items than players who voted for them, the remaining items will be randomly given to other players.

Just saw this. Pretty clearly gives the wolves some incentive to vote for DaddyTorgo, since he's hinted he has some neat items.

[Poli]

Chalk me up as a mad villager from the last game.

[Poli]

And a mad villager this game.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

my original message was wrong. I'm a villegar still, and I have 2 items of fun. Gonna see how I can use them.

Just confirming that that DT's original PM was indeed wrong.

[GoldenEagle]

I am here and checking in. I am spending the next hour or so catching up.

[GoldenEagle]

So not much information on the first day. I find the notion that voting for DaddyTorgo simply because of a comment during a previous game a bit silly. I do understand that this is day 1, but we seem to be throwing more darts than normal.

Render does seem to come over as a bit over the top. Does that mean anything? Not really. It could be not playing for awhile or something of that nature. His comments are off the wall, but nothing to get to suspicious about, yet.

But things are going to be close, and I am going to hold on to my vote for the time being. Would we want on Day 1? I am in the opinion of no, and that may lean my vote toward DT.

[path12]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

But things are going to be close, and I am going to hold on to my vote for the time being. Would we want on Day 1? I am in the opinion of no, and that may lean my vote toward DT.

I don't understand what you're saying here.

[Alan T]

Just an updated vote count. Right now the vote is tied with 2 voters left.

(4) Daddy T – Lathum (57), Render (61), LSG (65), Ardent (87)
(4) Render – Alan (62), Swaggs (72), DaddyTorgo (83), Passacaglia (84)
(1) Alan – st.cronin (51)
(1) Hoops – saldana (59)
(1) Path – NTN (64)
(1) Ardent – path (70)
(1) NTN – Hoopsguy (73)

No Vote: Rum, GE

[st.cronin]

My guess path is he was talking about a tie. Given that DT has claimed to hold a tiebreaker, a tie might not be a bad thing.

[Poli]

Oh, wow. I tied it? Sweet.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My guess path is he was talking about a tie. Given that DT has claimed to hold a tiebreaker, a tie might not be a bad thing.

I agree with this. We can at least maybe catch him in a lie? Or catch him in the truth?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I agree with this. We can at least maybe catch him in a lie? Or catch him in the truth?

I can't really see any benefit in lying about having this. Regardless if he is wolf or villager, I would have to assume if he said he has it, then he has it. It would just be foolish to lie about something so easily tested to be caught in regardless of which side he is on.

I guess the next question though is ..

If he is a wolf, I assume he wouldn't want a tie set up with another wolf friend, thus most likely Render would be good if he is bad.

If he is a villager, he has no idea if Render is good or bad, thus using it is purely self preservation.

So is it benefitial for us to try to force him into using it if he was a wolf or not? I guess I go back to the thought that I just hate ties as it leaves too much unknown. As far as I can tell, the only benefit from leaving it tied is to test to see if he is lying about having an item that he would be foolish to have said he had in the first place if he didn't. Regardless if he uses it or not, he would lose it after today according to the rules. I just guess I see this as if he's bad we don't want it a tie. If he is good, we don't want it as a tie.