A Wererolf, a Vampire, and a Villager Walk Into a Bar (Game Over, Vampires Win)

[Telle]

Originally Posted by RendeR

as some have mentioned there are a ton of roles and only so many people, so either everyone has a vital role and choosing to kill someone is going to either make or break this game on night 1 or as someone said its a smoke screen and we have a typical 2-3 wolves and ton of villagers.

Psssst... other way around.

[RendeR]

Whateva :P

[RendeR]

Please remember everyone, telle and I are married and we've been locked down together for over a month now. Anything she says can and should be used against her.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Hey folks, sorry I'm late, took a long nap before work tonight then stared at my phone for a couple hours (blame the guys that found retro-bowl!!!)


as some have mentioned there are a ton of roles and only so many people, so either everyone has a vital role and choosing to kill someone is going to either make or break this game on night 1 or as someone said its a smoke screen and we have a typical 2-3 wolves and ton of villagers.

having not been playing in awhile I'm reticent to throw out an opinion but I think EF would include as much variety as possible, so I'm thinking there are very few vanillas and only 1 or 2 of anything else.

I stumbled upon retro bowl recently too, that was where some time this morning went.

[EagleFan]

As of Post 54

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[EagleFan]

Unaware of the potential horrors that await, each and every one of you feel quite uneasy. Why did you come to this village? Safety? To join others of your kind? Revenge? World Domination? Whatever the motive, you are questioning your decisions now.

Those from the village walk around the perimeter of the mansion's grounds, trying to get a look at these "creatures" on display. Either the horrors they have seen shook them to their core or maybe, just maybe, they are toying with you for a twisted reason of their own.

You must control your own fate, you must make the right moves and show that you are worthy to return to the village with the rest of "your kind"... doubt begins to creep into your mind... will you ever see the world outside of this makeshift dungeon you have been placed in? The paranoia is already starting to take over as everyone eyes each other very suspiciously.

Who are you? You just showed up 3 days ago? I have the scratches to show what I have been through out there, before I found what I hoped would be home... What about you?!?! I saw the look in your eyes when you saw a werewolf lifeless on the ground. That almost looked like a sense of pride. Is this some game to you? A hunt for sport perhaps?

Then you notice the crowd outside the fence has grown larger, and much more fierce... "Just kill them all!!!"

"No!!! That is not what we built this village on. We must allow this to play out. We know our true brothers will come out of this unharmed and will have removed the evil from our midst."

"Silence!" The elder of the village speaks, he has remained silent for years. The sound of his voice didn't exactly thunder through the village, much more squeaky than anticipated... "This day was foretold by our ancestors. The coming of a great evil would also be met by the arrival of a great savior. One that will purge the village of this evil and will rise to lead us to our rightful place in society. This day of reckoning is near."

[RendeR]

ruh roh raggie.....

[timmae]

Ok, so we have abit more info perhaps?

"Who are you? You just showed up 3 days ago? I have the scratches to show what I have been through out there, before I found what I hoped would be home... What about you?!?! I saw the look in your eyes when you saw a werewolf lifeless on the ground. That almost looked like a sense of pride. Is this some game to you? A hunt for sport perhaps?"

Scratches to show... possibly a 'Recently Converted Werewolf'? That means we have a maker also.

A hunt for sport perhaps... Does this allude to a vampire in our midst maybe?

I have a few more thoughts but will wait until later on in the day to mention as I'd like to see a few more check-ins first. Here's a list of status for each of us;

1) britrock88
2) bhlloy
3) timmae Posted
4) henry296 Posted
5) GoldenEagle Posted
6) LoneStarGirl
7) Telle Posted
8) RendeR Posted
9) Autumn Posted
10) Chief Rum Posted

I think we are waiting on 3 to post yet if I have back checked correctly.

[timmae]

I have the scratches to show what I have been through out there, before I found what I hoped would be home... Maybe this could be a 'Contained Wolf' instead of a 'Recently Converted Wolf'.

Arrival of a great savior... what the heck is that about?!

[timmae]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Please remember everyone, telle and I are married and we've been locked down together for over a month now. Anything she says can and should be used against her.

lol, nice you 2! It would be quite interesting if both of you were villagers or vamps!

[Telle]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Please remember everyone, telle and I are married and we've been locked down together for over a month now. Anything she says can and should be used against her.

Vote RendeR

[Telle]

Originally Posted by timmae

1) britrock88
2) bhlloy
3) timmae Posted
4) henry296 Posted
5) GoldenEagle Posted
6) LoneStarGirl
7) Telle Posted
8) RendeR Posted
9) Autumn Posted
10) Chief Rum Posted

I think we are waiting on 3 to post yet if I have back checked correctly.

That matches what I have too.

[Autumn]

All right, not to be a cliche, but i had a Zoom meeting last night. But I am now ready to go. Let's get a check-in from everyone and figure out which of you is a nasty villager.

[henry296]

Given the delay between sign-ups and starting, I'm going to wait and make sure everyone checks-in as I think it is likely someone doesn't.

[Telle]

How have no-shows been handled in the past? Would they just be removed? Voting them out doesn't really get us any data and basically just delays everything a day.

[Autumn]

We typically have just argued about them for days. Towards the end as GM I started putting in rules about removing them after X days because it can become such a thorny issue.

In a new game after so long gone, I have to assume some won't notice it started until late in the day. Hopefully they will jump in actively once they get here.

[Autumn]

I'm not sure what role a great savior of the werewolves would hint at. Maybe something not even in the ruleset, as a Seer doesn't really seem like a savior that would be foretold. Might be more flavor than anything.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm not sure what role a great savior of the werewolves would hint at. Maybe something not even in the ruleset, as a Seer doesn't really seem like a savior that would be foretold. Might be more flavor than anything.

Could be... we'll see how this unfolds. I am hoping my hunches pay off. So far, I have a few likes/dislikes that are starting to emerge! Anyone else have some thoughts as to possible roles and how to snuff them out?

[henry296]

Originally Posted by Telle

How have no-shows been handled in the past? Would they just be removed? Voting them out doesn't really get us any data and basically just delays everything a day.

Day 1 is just a random guess anyway. I'd like to know if a potential no-show has a valuable role so we can move on and realize we don't have that person rather than guessing.

[Telle]

Day 1 is a random guess for the "good guys". The groups that have communications privileges are not guessing randomly, and retrospective analysis can be useful. If there's agreement to just vote out a no-show, then there's no analysis to be done.

And at this point we have no idea which roles are actually in the game, so learning that we don't have a role because a no-show had it isn't as useful as it might be in different games.

My preference at this point is to just play as normal and ignore the no-shows for now. Give them a day to arrive.. and if they don't then see if EagleFan has a plan for that contingency or if we have to handle it ourselves. Putting off doing much in the way of voting until this evening in case they arrive by then makes sense, other than my vote for my husband for being an ass

[timmae]

Let's get some discussion going...

Vote RendeR

[LoneStarGirl]

It’s been 5+ years since I’ve been involved in a werewolf game so it’s going to take a day or two to knock the dust off! Also keep in mind GoldenEagle and I are married but we’ve been quarantined together far too long so I’m going to use this game as an excuse to avoid talking to him. ��
I’m excited to be back!

[EagleFan]

As of post 72

RendeR 2 - Telle (61), timmae (71)

Yet to vote: britrock88, bhlloy, henry296, GoldenEagle, LoneStarGirl, RendeR, Autumn, Chief Rum

Yet to check in: britrock88, bhlloy

[timmae]

A pair of co-habitators! This will certainly be interesting if /when they flip! Let's see how good each of them is at reading their loved ones..errr... spouses!

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by timmae

A pair of co-habitators! This will certainly be interesting if /when they flip! Let's see how good each of them is at reading their loved ones..errr... spouses!

Great... I don't want to be partly responsible for tearing families apart...

[timmae]

Yep, it's all EF's fault!

[EagleFan]

[henry296]

Originally Posted by Telle

Day 1 is a random guess for the "good guys". The groups that have communications privileges are not guessing randomly, and retrospective analysis can be useful. If there's agreement to just vote out a no-show, then there's no analysis to be done.

It is a random guess for me then.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by henry296

I'm a wolf, but this time I'm a good guy.

This guy has it figured out... suspiciously quickly???

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by timmae

Let's get some discussion going...

Vote RendeR

First second vote!

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Yet to check in: britrock88, bhlloy

To be contrarian, I will apply pressure to the absent! Maybe it will act as a summoning device.

VOTE bhlloy

[Autumn]

Pretty much everyone here, good.

I agree with Telle, since we don't know exactly what, or how many, roles are included in the game, we don't learn anything much by getting rid of someone who is a no-show or not active. And the information gained by voting out an inactive player and discovering their role is potentially more useful to the bad guys. It is to the wolves' benefit to keep the villagers in the dark and let our roled players do their thing. I'm therefore going to throw out a Day 1 not-much-there vote on Henry for his suggestion.

vote henry296

[timmae]

Things are starting to get interesting now! Down to 1 no show...

Not sure I like Henry's thoughts in posts 69 and 78 either. Care to expound on your thoughts Henry?

[EagleFan]

As of post 83:

RendeR 2 - Telle (61), timmae (71)
bhlloy 1 - britrock88 (81)
henry296 1 - Autumn (82)

Yet to vote: bhlloy, henry296, GoldenEagle, LoneStarGirl, RendeR, Chief Rum

Yet to check in: bhlloy

[henry296]

If we have someone inactive (which we probably won't) the speculation about that person's potential role as a villager would be distracting. While it would be bad to kill off a good guy role, it wouldn't help us since they didn't submit a night action. Since we likely don't have all of the roles, there will be speculation that causes confusion.

[timmae]

Lot's of confusion for sure! T'is why we love the game so..

[Chief Rum]

I'm going to put in a vote to bhlloy for now. I would rather have the role certainty if he doesn't show up.


VOTE BHLLOY

[LoneStarGirl]

I am confident bhlloy is going to show up and knock our socks off with his insight into this game thus far so I’m going to refrain from voting for him until he emerges. But if it’s not soon he’s getting my vote!

[britrock88]

Ain't no party like a D1 party!

[britrock88]

With only 5 of 10 votes cast and a 2-2-1 tally, this could unfold any which way between now and nightfall.

[EagleFan]

As of post 90:

RendeR 2 - Telle (61), timmae (71)
bhlloy 2 - britrock88 (81), Chief Rum (87)
henry296 1 - Autumn (82)

Yet to vote: bhlloy, henry296, GoldenEagle, LoneStarGirl, RendeR

Yet to check in: bhlloy

[EagleFan]

The crowd outside is growing restless. Their seems to be a collective blood lust beginning to grow. Something has been changing this once peaceful society. What happened the night EagleFan was killed? What dark cloud enveloped the village?

"We must be patient. The time has not yet arrived... but it nears..."

[timmae]

unvote RendeR

vote henry296

[Telle]

What is the point in voting for the person who hasn't checked in yet (bhlloy)? Having some default voting target like that just muddies the water. I question if those voting that way (or indicating they will) are villagers or vampires who KNOW that bhlloy isn't one of them and thus a good target for them.

[RendeR]

Maybe I'm forgetting a rule or something, but since day 1 is kind of a crap shoot, is there any benefit at all to simply....NOT killing anyone tonight? can we vote to "VOTE NO ONE"?

And if that is possible, could that help us in ANY way?

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Maybe I'm forgetting a rule or something, but since day 1 is kind of a crap shoot, is there any benefit at all to simply....NOT killing anyone tonight? can we vote to "VOTE NO ONE"?

And if that is possible, could that help us in ANY way?

A few concerns...

1) The village (so to speak) forfeits its opportunity to keep up with the bad guys' abilities to kill/take actions.
2) It might require 100% participation, depending on EF's interpretation of a single vote to lynch a player v. votes not to lynch. That would be susceptible to last-minute defection.
3) It could trigger a tie, which we have reason to be leery of.

[Telle]

Wouldn't having no lynch today just make Day 2 into Day 1? Eventually we gotta break the ice and kill someone, and until we do there's not much information to go on.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by britrock88

A few concerns...

1) The village (so to speak) forfeits its opportunity to keep up with the bad guys' abilities to kill/take actions.
2) It might require 100% participation, depending on EF's interpretation of a single vote to lynch a player v. votes not to lynch. That would be susceptible to last-minute defection.
3) It could trigger a tie, which we have reason to be leery of.

Excellent points, thank you for the response!

I honestly don't have a feel for anyone at this time. But we have about 4.5 hours to figure one out.

[timmae]

The Recently Converted Wolf (Has a secret ability that only they will know about) and the Count (can convert a werewolf to a killing machine) seem to be the only roles with a dynamic that may be able to kill without a lynch. Not sure what the converted wolf ability would be so maybe not something that kills. Also not sure what a Killing Machine is.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Telle

Wouldn't having no lynch today just make Day 2 into Day 1? Eventually we gotta break the ice and kill someone, and until we do there's not much information to go on.

If we have a Wise Wolf we may get a look at one player's allegiance. However, if the Contained Wolf is in play it could come back as a bad reading (would that be a false negative?).