ALRIGHT BOYZ...HERE WE GO...FOOTBALL MANAGER 2013

[sovereignstar v2]

Guess there will still be a demo released a week before the Nov 2 release.

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

This is my problem with the series too... It's too deep to be a yearly title I say, especially without backward compatible saves.

this, I bought '12 and never fired it up.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Basically, MP is kinda like internet hotseat almost.. you all have to be on at the same time: Someone launches the game as a server, and others connect to it.. Past years, you had to muck about opening ports on your firewall and doing a lot of scut work to try to be able to play MP. This year it will be done through steam so probably will be much easier and simpler. If so, I will be running a FOFC netgame.

Also: RELEASE DATE TOMMORROW!


Wait, before I get everyone's hopes too far off (DaddyTorgo, looking at you, don't run off just yet!).. this means the Release Date will likely be out tommorrow, apparently according to Miles's Twitter feed.

So it's still internet hotseat, though -- we can't submit files like FOF?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Was checking out the SI forums and noticed someone posted a 35% off preorder deal. It will cease after 100 redemptions. I just ordered using it, so it is probably still running. Dropped the price down to 26 bucks!

35% off FM13 pre-order- limited time offer

Thanks for posting. I was going to wait for the Steam Christmas sale but $26 and a beta copy 2 weeks early equals easy decision.

Only snag I had was my CC company thought Green Man Gaming was a suspicious site and stopped the initial charge. Had to call and confirm the purchase. Never had that happen before.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Thanks for posting. I was going to wait for the Steam Christmas sale but $26 and a beta copy 2 weeks early equals easy decision.

Only snag I had was my CC company thought Green Man Gaming was a suspicious site and stopped the initial charge. Had to call and confirm the purchase. Never had that happen before.

I had the same problem and it ended up being too much of a hassle for me so I just decided to wait.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So it's still internet hotseat, though -- we can't submit files like FOF?

Correct

[DaddyTorgo]

Missed the date cuz i was in the hospital last night...nice!

[Bobble]

Dang it! This was the year that I was going to skip the new version so I could keep going in my save and FINALLY get a team from Blue Square North to the Premiership. But, I caved and pre-ordered FM13.

It'd be nice, SI, to have the new version be saved game convertable (if not saved game compatable). #SadPanda

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by Bobble

Dang it! This was the year that I was going to skip the new version so I could keep going in my save and FINALLY get a team from Blue Square North to the Premiership. But, I caved and pre-ordered FM13.

It'd be nice, SI, to have the new version be saved game convertable (if not saved game compatable). #SadPanda

It'd be lovely and one day I hope to make that the case for FMH ... but its a holy grail and not something which will happen easily (simply put far too much stuff changes in competition formats and database formats each iteration), sorry.

[fortheglory]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

It'd be lovely and one day I hope to make that the case for FMH ... but its a holy grail and not something which will happen easily (simply put far too much stuff changes in competition formats and database formats each iteration), sorry.

Can FM not take on a more customizable aspect to it, so that the changes can be made easily and on the fly from year to year?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

It'd be lovely and one day I hope to make that the case for FMH ... but its a holy grail and not something which will happen easily (simply put far too much stuff changes in competition formats and database formats each iteration), sorry.

I've always wondered if it would be possible to only import your current database of teams since the attribute setup, at least to the untrained eye, seems to stay the same? Even if one lost the history he could still start a new game with a team he built, players he already knew, and a backroom staff he was used to. I suppose this could be stopped by a licensing issue? Team A is licensed in v12 but not v13 so legal issues would not let you import them into a new game?


I suppose this would also cause many headaches like in v12 I'm in 2024 so could a new game be started in 2025 in v13 with my v12 database? It would kind of suck if I could start a new game in v13 but had to start in 2013 with a squad from 2024 even if there was no history. I would still know and it would take away my ability, if I wanted to see some history, of loading up v12 to review what happened in any of the seasons after 2013 and be able to feel like the games were even connected at all.

When I first bought FM(WWSM) I hoped for an OOTP type import\continue and really didn't understand why it would be so hard. As I've played FM for 6 years now I understand the complexity of it and though would love to see some type of way to continue I "get it" that it may never get in and if it does it certainly won't be easy.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by fortheglory

Can FM not take on a more customizable aspect to it, so that the changes can be made easily and on the fly from year to year?

The game is already fairly custommisable (ie. people can create and add leagues which we don't implement ourselves) - the problem is mainly one of adaption ignoring the database (which is under our control BUT which is problematic in terms of creating raw data mid-stream), rules and sizes of leagues change quite often in soccer and its whether possible to adapt from one league situation/size to another.

For instance you're in 2025 and you port your game into FM2013 - now say for instance the World Cup has expanded from 32 to 64 nations how does your game take that into account - it'd have to look at your current year, ascertain whether you're in a qualifying stage and if so stay with the old setup until the entire world cup completes then switch to the new one, if you've just completed a world cup but not setup a new one then it'd be safe to switch to the new standard .....

(and thats one relatively simple case out of literally hundreds which are possible - harder ones are where a league merges with another or gains or loses links with other leagues, think of the Scandanavian Royal league which was effectively several national leagues which combined in one competition ...)

[lcjjdnh]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

It'd be lovely and one day I hope to make that the case for FMH ... but its a holy grail and not something which will happen easily (simply put far too much stuff changes in competition formats and database formats each iteration), sorry.

Speaking of FMH...will we hear anything about the 2013 version soon?

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by lcjjdnh

Speaking of FMH...will we hear anything about the 2013 version soon?

Hopefully in the near(ish) future I'm contrained in what I can say by the PR people at present - but hopefully they'll spill the beans (and let me gossip) soon ...

[cubboyroy1826]

So when should I keep my eye out for a sale on FM12? I own FM 11 and would like to upgrade to 12 and usually run a version behind so FM 13 is not really something I looking at right now.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by cubboyroy1826

So when should I keep my eye out for a sale on FM12? I own FM 11 and would like to upgrade to 12 and usually run a version behind so FM 13 is not really something I looking at right now.

12 was $7 and change in the last Steam sale. Had a daily deal at that price between then and now, also.

[cubboyroy1826]

So is there a way to get the daily deals updates or is it one of those check back every day?

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

The game is already fairly custommisable (ie. people can create and add leagues which we don't implement ourselves) - the problem is mainly one of adaption ignoring the database (which is under our control BUT which is problematic in terms of creating raw data mid-stream), rules and sizes of leagues change quite often in soccer and its whether possible to adapt from one league situation/size to another.

For instance you're in 2025 and you port your game into FM2013 - now say for instance the World Cup has expanded from 32 to 64 nations how does your game take that into account - it'd have to look at your current year, ascertain whether you're in a qualifying stage and if so stay with the old setup until the entire world cup completes then switch to the new one, if you've just completed a world cup but not setup a new one then it'd be safe to switch to the new standard .....

(and thats one relatively simple case out of literally hundreds which are possible - harder ones are where a league merges with another or gains or loses links with other leagues, think of the Scandanavian Royal league which was effectively several national leagues which combined in one competition ...)

What if I said I would be happy to just continue the league structures,
competitions, World Cup rules, etc. that were there in FM12? I'd just be happy to play all the same "world" from FM12 but with the new features (new training, new staff roles, improved 3D, etc.) from FM13.

I guess if enough of us wanted it, someone out there would have made a 3rd-party saved game converter.

[cubboyroy1826]

Took the pre-order plunge. Being the cheap ass I am I just could not pass it up.

[SirFozzie]

So, the preorder folks will possibly get the beta this week, if everything matches up

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

So, the preorder folks will possibly get the beta this week, if everything matches up

Yep!

[bulletsponge]

ill rotate between x-com and FM

[DaddyTorgo]

#firstworldproblems

I haven't made the time to listen to any of the podcasts - why are there no longer writeups in text of what the new features are?

It's annoying.

[sovereignstar v2]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

#firstworldproblems

I haven't made the time to listen to any of the podcasts - why are there no longer writeups in text of what the new features are?

It's annoying.

Here is a preview that covers some of the new stuff. Don't think it's just me, but the screenshots are jacked up. Almost like he copied the article from another site and pasted it. You just have to remove the thumbnail/th code from the links to see the full shots.

Football Manager 2013 | FMFormation - Football Manager 2013 Preview

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Here is a preview that covers some of the new stuff. Don't think it's just me, but the screenshots are jacked up. Almost like he copied the article from another site and pasted it. You just have to remove the thumbnail/th code from the links to see the full shots.

Football Manager 2013 | FMFormation - Football Manager 2013 Preview

Thanks - yeah I saw that this morning after poking around the SI forum for a few minutes.

[SackAttack]

Thanks to Foz, I'm actually going to be playing an FM on launch day. Exciting times.

[samifan24]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

#firstworldproblems

I haven't made the time to listen to any of the podcasts - why are there no longer writeups in text of what the new features are?

It's annoying.

Agreed. I'd much rather read text than watch videos. I haven't watched a single preview video on FM 13.

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by samifan24

Agreed. I'd much rather read text than watch videos. I haven't watched a single preview video on FM 13.

Same here.

[Karim]

For those of us that play on laptops, what are the chances that SI will provide a skin that is playable at 125% DPI?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by samifan24

Agreed. I'd much rather read text than watch videos. I haven't watched a single preview video on FM 13.

+1. Video previews are annoying. Give me something I can soak in without having to rewind if I feel like I didn't catch something.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

ill rotate between x-com and FM

If FMH is late blame X-Com

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by Karim

For those of us that play on laptops, what are the chances that SI will provide a skin that is playable at 125% DPI?

We generally do 'standard' skins - within a few weeks of release however someone has normally implemented a 'netbook' skin which might be what you're looking for?

(FMC itself is designed to be a bit 'bigger and bolder' with regards to text and suchlike and might also suit your needs?)

[Sweed]

For those that preordered from Green Man Gaming beta codes are out. Just got mine via email and activated on Steam Now just waiting for release.

[cubboyroy1826]

Me too Sweed. I am a little bummed we have our playoffs for the soccer team I coach this weekend. How rude scheduling the playoffs to coincide with the release of FM 2013.

[Sweed]

Holy shit, it's live and downloading now! Good speed too, 2.2 mb/s. Sweet.

[bulletsponge]

what!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bulletsponge]

im getting nothing

[bulletsponge]

DL now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Woohoo!

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

im getting nothing

Mine didn't start on it's own. I had to go to my game menu, right click on fm13, and there is an install option in the right click drop down. Hit that and it started right away. And it's ready to play

[bulletsponge]

18% already

[Sweed]

And SI forums are down

[bulletsponge]

45%

[bulletsponge]

im in there, game release crash of site so predictable

[DaddyTorgo]

BOOYA!!

Damnit - now I want to get out of work and get home and play!!!

[bulletsponge]

installing now

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

BOOYA!!

Damnit - now I want to get out of work and get home and play!!!

I am SO DLing at work as we speak. 40%

[DaddyTorgo]

70%

[DaddyTorgo]

PLAY!!

[DaddyTorgo]

//sadly waves goodbye to my 2012 savegame

It just won't be the same firing it up again I'm sure. Never is.

[Flasch186]

I bought it. DLing at work.