WW XCV: Land of the Role Reveals GAME OVER - Page 2

Barkeep49 · 05-26-2009, 11:31 AM

Ok rules are finalized. Please note that I added info about no lynches, ties, and made substantial changes to the role of Cultist and Tough Villager. There were some other minor tweaks made as well.

Barkeep49 · 05-26-2009, 11:44 AM

Also I have a possible lead on an 18th player, which I think will work for balance purposes.

Racer · 05-26-2009, 11:57 AM

If you need an 18th player, I'll play. I saw that you already had 16 so I didn't sign up earlier. I'm up for about 1 or 2 werewolf games a year.

saldana · 05-26-2009, 12:12 PM

according to post 1, render is 17th..if you still need an 18th, i'll be your huckleberry

Barkeep49 · 05-26-2009, 12:18 PM

Hey thanks Racer and saldana! We'll definitely go with 18. I'm waiting to hear back from the person I had asked, but with some combination of him, Racer, saldana, Hoops, and RendeR, we'll go with 18.

hoopsguy · 05-26-2009, 12:25 PM

Sounds good - just let me know if you want me as a reserve to start. I'm happy to give up a spot for someone who is not in the rotation as much, especially since the next couple of days are really lousy for me (in terms of work).

ntndeacon · 05-26-2009, 01:17 PM

Believe Barkeep as a vanilla Villager

Now he has lost all his GM powers!

Barkeep49 · 05-26-2009, 01:44 PM

This actually gives me a chance to point out that I have not claimed to be a vanilla villager so you can't believe me for it. There can be no invountarily believings.

lerriuqs · 05-26-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I be a vanilla villager.

Ok, now everyone believe away...

Believe Barkeep as a vanilla Villager

dubb93 · 05-26-2009, 03:34 PM

I demand people believe I am the GM. Seriously, I'll be PMing Barkeep the roles as soon as I get a chance to roll them. He will then send them out.

saldana · 05-26-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

I demand people believe I am the GM. Seriously, I'll be PMing Barkeep the roles as soon as I get a chance to roll them. He will then send them out.

i demand you die on day 1

believe dubb should die on day 1

Barkeep49 · 05-26-2009, 03:37 PM

Sending out roles now. Please don't post until I post the opening announcement.

Barkeep49 · 05-26-2009, 03:43 PM

It’s the annual Honesty Conference held by your favorite group, the Very Intelligent Lovely Loquacious Accurate Genuine Edified Ring. You can, truthfully, be described as ecstatic, to be there. For the next few days it should be a breath of fresh air to be around people who can be counted on for honesty. Sure the truth hurts, but that’s a small price to pay for being straightforward.

The conference gets off to a rousing start with your keynote speech by the Dali Lama. This is followed by a new documentary on Abe Lincoln. Everything is going well until the end of the Lincoln documentary when the following message flashes up on the screen:

Quote:

You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth. We’re going to make life miserable for you. One by one we’re going to make you leave until we run this place.

Yours Truly,
The We Only Lie Vilify and Evade Society

Who are these W.O.L.V.E.S. and what are they doing at your conference? Sure it was nice of them to give such an honest closing, but never-the-less they must be rooted out. They must be stopped. And you’re just the honest sort of people to do it.

Game is on. The first deadline is Wednesday 10 PM Eastern

EagleFan · 05-26-2009, 03:53 PM

Sweet!!! I am the brutal wolf!!! (or am I?)

EagleFan · 05-26-2009, 03:53 PM

EagleFan · 05-26-2009, 03:54 PM

Just how honest am I supposed to be?

EagleFan · 05-26-2009, 04:02 PM

Wow, I'm in a game full of UTR players...

This is gonna be tough...

USFLTecmo · 05-26-2009, 04:04 PM

Yay playing again!

Boo crappy regular villager role.

Tyrith · 05-26-2009, 04:12 PM

Hi. I'm a vanilla villager.

Barkeep49 · 05-26-2009, 04:25 PM

I accidentally listed Danny twice in the sign-ups. We will thus be playing with 17 players.

lerriuqs · 05-26-2009, 04:26 PM

I'm the cultist.

Telle · 05-26-2009, 04:32 PM

Vanilla villager checking in.

dubb93 · 05-26-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lerriuqs

I'm the cultist.

So basically one of two things. Either:

1. You really are the cultist and you want to know all the wolves

or

2. You are a villager that would like to help the wolves.

If I am reading this right I am having a hard time figuring out why in the hell I would want to believe you(the game mechanic) even if you really are the cultist. I think this is one of the few roles where no village good can come by claiming it.

lerriuqs · 05-26-2009, 04:36 PM

Or...

Are a villager to help the village - you find out a wolf role. And do not have to win with the wolves.

Tyrith · 05-26-2009, 04:37 PM

In that case, can you not just tell us?

USFLTecmo · 05-26-2009, 04:38 PM

The flip side is that he can also use his powers (if believed) to either transfer over to our side, or out a wolf, if he isn't the cultist. Thank you lerriuqs for giving us an interesting first day.

The worst that happens is that he knows ALL the wolves, but then if he ends up there, we may just knock him off at that point so he can't do any damage.

USFLTecmo · 05-26-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

In that case, can you not just tell us?

Wouldn't be a wise move for him to spit out a wolf right now, until he's believed, because then he may never be believed, still be on the wolves's side, and hurt his own cause. If he's believed and converts, then he'll tell us what he has, I'm sure. If he doesn't, then we off him, so he can't screw us over with his vote the rest of the game.

Telle · 05-26-2009, 04:40 PM

But we won't know which way he chooses, right? So how could we know whether to trust him or not?

lerriuqs · 05-26-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

In that case, can you not just tell us?

Quote:

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Or...

Are a villager to help the village - you find out a wolf role. And do not have to win with the wolves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle

But we won't know which way he chooses, right? So how could we know whether to trust him or not?

Honestly? Even if I give up a wolf name tomorrow, you won't know for sure.

USFLTecmo · 05-26-2009, 04:43 PM

Point taken. I'm not sure how that mechanic works out. BK, do we get told if he changes sides?

Barkeep49 · 05-26-2009, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

Point taken. I'm not sure how that mechanic works out. BK, do we get told if he changes sides?

No

dubb93 · 05-26-2009, 04:46 PM

Hmmmmm...squirrel is playing a risky game. I'm the duke btw.

Telle · 05-26-2009, 04:47 PM

OR he chooses the wolf side, gives us the name of a wolf, gets wolf killed overnight which gets turned into a conversion, and is suddenly the most trusted person in the game while being a wolf.

USFLTecmo · 05-26-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

No

Then I think we're safer not to trust him in any way. He can't harm us much if we know who he is. Problem is, he may not be the cultist at all, but just trying to pick up his skills.

I sense this game will turn into a headache sooner rather than later.

lerriuqs · 05-26-2009, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle

OR he chooses the wolf side, gives us the name of a wolf, gets wolf killed overnight which gets turned into a conversion, and is suddenly the most trusted person in the game while being a wolf.

Then the seer scans me tomorrow night. That's easy enough to deal with.

Barkeep - a question - If I am not the cultist and am believed and chose not to take the other powers, the wolves cannot convert me if they go after me, correct?

Racer · 05-26-2009, 04:58 PM

Villager checking in.

PurdueBrad · 05-26-2009, 05:01 PM

Hmmmm, this should be an interesting one. Something rare here (compared to last game that is!), vanilla villager checking in, although I am curious by what I see with lerriuqs' play. He's a wily one.

Hey, since I claimed villager, does that earn me a Pass Point? +1 for me!

PurdueBrad · 05-26-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Wow, I'm in a game full of UTR players...

This is gonna be tough...

Wow, four posts and you haven't voted me yet. Are you feeling okay?

Racer · 05-26-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

OR he chooses the wolf side, gives us the name of a wolf, gets wolf killed overnight which gets turned into a conversion, and is suddenly the most trusted person in the game while being a wolf.

The Cultist wins with the wolves or am I not understanding the rules correctly? If that is the case, it would make much sense to use our believe vote on him.

USFLTecmo · 05-26-2009, 05:07 PM

The Pass Points system totally blows when you well and truly are a vanil... well, one of those things. Don't wanna earn another point if I can help it.

lerriuqs · 05-26-2009, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

The Cultist wins with the wolves or am I not understanding the rules correctly? If that is the case, it would make much sense to use our believe vote on him.

Not necessarily with the way the rules read.

EagleFan · 05-26-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Wow, four posts and you haven't voted me yet. Are you feeling okay?

I knew there was something that I forgot to do...

PurdueBrad · 05-26-2009, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

The Cultist wins with the wolves or am I not understanding the rules correctly? If that is the case, it would make much sense to use our believe vote on him.

I was thinking this. If someone is willing to basically take one for the team, lay claim to the role and then get killed, it works I guess. Or am I misunderstanding this?

EagleFan · 05-26-2009, 05:09 PM

Nuts, that makes 5 posts without voting for him...

PurdueBrad · 05-26-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I knew there was something that I forgot to do...

Well as long as you remember to do what my signature says, you and I are okay.

PurdueBrad · 05-26-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Nuts, that makes 5 posts without voting for him...

6!!!

EagleFan · 05-26-2009, 05:09 PM

Wait... now 6, or it is 7? Life is getting sooooo confusing.

Tyrith · 05-26-2009, 05:11 PM

The cultist is very simple, in my opinion. He gives up the wolf. We lynch whoever he tells us. And if that person turns up good, we lynch les D2.

Tyrith · 05-26-2009, 05:16 PM

Now, it seems there is a good chance this is a (misguided?) villager play - come out, try to get cultist, get a free wolf. The problem is that there's no way I'm going to trust anyone enough to give them the option to convert, at least not until we have absolutely no other choice.

And there seems like there's a decent chance the villager play could be used as cover for a real cultist who decided he wants to play on the dark side this game.

Honestly, I'm not so sure we shouldn't lynch les and skip all the junk.

lerriuqs · 05-26-2009, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Now, it seems there is a good chance this is a (misguided?) villager play - come out, try to get cultist, get a free wolf. The problem is that there's no way I'm going to trust anyone enough to give them the option to convert, at least not until we have absolutely no other choice.

And there seems like there's a decent chance the villager play could be used as cover for a real cultist who decided he wants to play on the dark side this game.

Honestly, I'm not so sure we shouldn't lynch les and skip all the junk.

And miss the chance for an actual wolf? Really? Doesn't this move seem a little high risk for a first day play if I was a wolf?

If you're concerned about me getting the option to convert, you have the seer scan me on night 2 or any night after no kill happens. It'll be pretty easy to tell if I've converted. I mean really, for me, the only way to really gain from this play is to get a wolf out of the deal and turn villager. Any other play will get me killed pretty quick.

05-26-2009, 11:44 AM	#52
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Also I have a possible lead on an 18th player, which I think will work for balance purposes.

05-26-2009, 11:57 AM	#53
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	If you need an 18th player, I'll play. I saw that you already had 16 so I didn't sign up earlier. I'm up for about 1 or 2 werewolf games a year.

05-26-2009, 12:12 PM	#54
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	according to post 1, render is 17th..if you still need an 18th, i'll be your huckleberry

05-26-2009, 12:18 PM	#55
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Hey thanks Racer and saldana! We'll definitely go with 18. I'm waiting to hear back from the person I had asked, but with some combination of him, Racer, saldana, Hoops, and RendeR, we'll go with 18.

05-26-2009, 12:25 PM	#56
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Sounds good - just let me know if you want me as a reserve to start. I'm happy to give up a spot for someone who is not in the rotation as much, especially since the next couple of days are really lousy for me (in terms of work).

05-26-2009, 01:17 PM	#57
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Believe Barkeep as a vanilla Villager Now he has lost all his GM powers!

05-26-2009, 01:44 PM	#58
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	This actually gives me a chance to point out that I have not claimed to be a vanilla villager so you can't believe me for it. There can be no invountarily believings.

05-26-2009, 03:37 PM	#62
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Sending out roles now. Please don't post until I post the opening announcement.

05-26-2009, 03:53 PM	#64
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Sweet!!! I am the brutal wolf!!! (or am I?)

05-26-2009, 03:54 PM	#66
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Just how honest am I supposed to be?

05-26-2009, 04:02 PM	#67
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Wow, I'm in a game full of UTR players... This is gonna be tough...

05-26-2009, 04:04 PM	#68
USFLTecmo H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, Wisconsin	Yay playing again! Boo crappy regular villager role.

05-26-2009, 04:12 PM	#69
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Hi. I'm a vanilla villager.

05-26-2009, 04:25 PM	#70
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I accidentally listed Danny twice in the sign-ups. We will thus be playing with 17 players.

05-26-2009, 04:26 PM	#71
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	I'm the cultist.

05-26-2009, 04:32 PM	#72
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Vanilla villager checking in.

05-26-2009, 04:36 PM	#74
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	Or... Are a villager to help the village - you find out a wolf role. And do not have to win with the wolves.

05-26-2009, 04:37 PM	#75
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	In that case, can you not just tell us?

05-26-2009, 04:38 PM	#76
USFLTecmo H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, Wisconsin	The flip side is that he can also use his powers (if believed) to either transfer over to our side, or out a wolf, if he isn't the cultist. Thank you lerriuqs for giving us an interesting first day. The worst that happens is that he knows ALL the wolves, but then if he ends up there, we may just knock him off at that point so he can't do any damage.

05-26-2009, 04:40 PM	#78
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	But we won't know which way he chooses, right? So how could we know whether to trust him or not?

05-26-2009, 04:43 PM	#80
USFLTecmo H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, Wisconsin	Point taken. I'm not sure how that mechanic works out. BK, do we get told if he changes sides?

05-26-2009, 04:47 PM	#83
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	OR he chooses the wolf side, gives us the name of a wolf, gets wolf killed overnight which gets turned into a conversion, and is suddenly the most trusted person in the game while being a wolf.

05-26-2009, 04:58 PM	#86
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Villager checking in.

05-26-2009, 05:07 PM	#90
USFLTecmo H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, Wisconsin	The Pass Points system totally blows when you well and truly are a vanil... well, one of those things. Don't wanna earn another point if I can help it.

05-26-2009, 05:09 PM	#94
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Nuts, that makes 5 posts without voting for him...

05-26-2009, 05:11 PM	#98
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	The cultist is very simple, in my opinion. He gives up the wolf. We lynch whoever he tells us. And if that person turns up good, we lynch les D2.

05-26-2009, 05:16 PM	#99
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Now, it seems there is a good chance this is a (misguided?) villager play - come out, try to get cultist, get a free wolf. The problem is that there's no way I'm going to trust anyone enough to give them the option to convert, at least not until we have absolutely no other choice. And there seems like there's a decent chance the villager play could be used as cover for a real cultist who decided he wants to play on the dark side this game. Honestly, I'm not so sure we shouldn't lynch les and skip all the junk.

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