OT - Ten clues puzzle - Page 2

Shkspr · 09-10-2003, 04:32 AM

Looking for two clues that become complementary in their step one solved form, I hit on "Touch-Tone" and "Four-H Club". If we assume that "H"="4" as it does on a touch-tone phone, and converting Jim's grid from alpha to numeric,

Code:

T I C T A C T O E
P E N S A C O L A
R E B E L Y E L L
G E R A L D I N E
T H R E E S O N S
G I L L E S P I E
M I C R O C H I P
F O U R H C L U B
S O U T H P A R K
T O U C H T O N E

becomes:

Code:

8 4 2 8 2 2 8 6 3
7 3 6 7 2 2 6 5 2
7 3 2 3 5 9 3 5 5
4 3 7 2 5 3 4 6 3
8 4 7 3 3 7 6 6 7
4 4 5 5 3 7 7 4 3
6 4 2 7 6 2 4 4 7
3 6 8 7 4 2 5 8 2
7 6 8 8 4 7 2 7 5
8 6 8 2 4 8 6 6 3

Does that get us anywhere? Actually, it does. Look at the first clue again; it says "Tic Tac Toe". What is the object of Tic Tac Toe? To get three in a row, of course. And so look at our numeric grid. There are six, count them, six instances where the same number is located three times in a row. Left to right, top to bottom, they are 3-3-4-6-8-4. Take those numbers, turn them back into letters, and what do you get?

"E-D-I-M-U-G". Ed, I mug.

It's simple, and it explains Quiksand's fascination with puzzles. He's a hardened criminal, toying with us by broadcasting his intentions to commit crimes against poor Ed. Who else do we know who announces their evil intentions in sadistic puzzles?

Serial killers.

It's a fact, folks. Quiksand's snapped and he's going to kill us all.

Well, 2/3 of us, anyway.

(The message actually spells "F-E-I-N-T-I". Feint, I. There's no puzzle, it's a sham...or a feint. Quiksand hasn't a clue what the answer is, just like the rest of us.

Well, 2/3 of us, anyway.)

Actually, dunno if a numeric grid makes sense at all, but there it is, if it helps anyone. I thought the touch-tone and 4-H thing made some sense while I was drifting off to sleep.

QuikSand · 09-10-2003, 09:11 AM

I'm very pleased with your progress so far... and am alternately flattered and disturbed by Shkspr's conjectures above.

My sense is that you don't really need any more clues... you really have all the pieces you need in place. The "grid" constructed above doesn't have any errors in it (you got all the correct words in there), you just need to figure out what to do with it. And you've already got the right general idea, you just need to get it with a little more precision.

sabotai · 09-10-2003, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JeeberD
I didn't know you could get high off of zit cream...

(Inject it like heroin....it's da bomb!)

QuikSand · 09-10-2003, 02:44 PM

Okay - it's been sitting all day with nothing but a heroin joke. That's not a good sign for a puzzle. Here's some guidance.

You have hit upon two things that you need to solve this, but you have basically done so separately. You need to work with both of those things.

JeeberD did a good job with the "sandwich" clue... others have taken it in a wrong direction. (Not a bad one, necessarily, just not right for this puzzle)

Solecismic was right to start laying the answers in sequence and noting the "transitions" between the adjacent answers... but collectively, you haven't made the next big link with that.

If you can put those two bits of thinking together, you'll be right on your way. You have so many ideas, it's hard for so much to be getting past you with so few options left.

cuervo72 · 09-10-2003, 03:12 PM

Well, I suppose they could go in some numeric order; touchtone contains 'one', there's a 'three', and a 'four'....a tic-tac-toe grid has 9 squares; I can't make much of anything with the rest though (2 eyes? 5 flags?), so I'm probably headed nowhere. Still lost.

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 03:16 PM

I'm not sure exactly what JeeberD said that was a good job with the sandwich clue. What did he say?

digamma · 09-10-2003, 03:21 PM

each of the clues have nine letters, and there are ten total clues. Does doing something like this get us anywhere? I note it is the shape of the touch tone key pad mentioned in JeeberD's post a while back...

TIC PEN REB
TAC SAC ELY
TOE OLA ELL

GER THR GIL
ALD EES LES
INE ONS PIE

MIC FOU SOU
ROC RHC THP
HIP LUB ARK

TOU
CHT
ONE

Kam · 09-10-2003, 03:22 PM

sandwich clue....both first and last clues have to do with a grid

the rest of the clues are the meat...and each one has a relation to a number...transitions could be numerical order...

now what number coincides with each clue

Three sons
4-H
Five flags (?)???????

Solecismic · 09-10-2003, 03:22 PM

JeeberD said a telephone keypad and a tic-tac-toe grid resembled each other. Those were the top and bottom clues, maybe that forms a sandwich?

That South Park answer has me thrown for two reasons - one, I still can't see any similarities between the two clues provided, and second, because it just looks wrong in the grid. Also, why are there 10 answers and not nine if we're supposed to lay out a keypad?

digamma · 09-10-2003, 03:22 PM

Dola...Sorry about the formatting, but even with good formatting, I'm not sure that gets us anywhere.

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 03:37 PM

But it's a sandwiched pair of secondary clues -- doesn't that mean TWO clues are inside the sandwich?

Solecismic · 09-10-2003, 03:39 PM

I should add why I think South Park looks wrong.

All the other answers have two links between them.

For instance, from TICTACTOE to PENSACOLA, there's an A in the 5th position and a C in the 6th.

Going down, there are two links between the first eight answers.

AC EL EL RN ES II RC.

And then you get to SOUTHPARK. Three links. And the same three links between that and TOUCHTONE.

OUH OUH.

Now, those aren't word pieces. At least not word pieces that connect to each other. There's one more thing we need to do to those letter segments.

Maple Leafs · 09-10-2003, 03:41 PM

This may be a red herring, but could the tie-in between the "sanwhich" clues of Tic Tac Toe and Touchtone have anything to do with the "pound" sign (i.e. the little button on the phone that looks like a tic-tac-toe board)?

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 03:42 PM

Would this be a bad time to mention that before I read people mention South Park, that I was thinking of four square? Doesn't one person have to leave the game, or 'die', after each time?

QuikSand · 09-10-2003, 03:45 PM

While you seem to be focusing on the things that are staying the same from segment to segment, perhaps you need to think instead about the things that are staying the same.

JeeberD · 09-10-2003, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Passacaglia
Would this be a bad time to mention that before I read people mention South Park, that I was thinking of four square? Doesn't one person have to leave the game, or 'die', after each time?

But what does that have to do with Disney?

I'm pretty sure QS would have let us know if South Park was wrong...

Maple Leafs · 09-10-2003, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuikSand
While you seem to be focusing on the things that are staying the same from segment to segment, perhaps you need to think instead about the things that are staying the same.

Now he's just mocking us with nonsensical riddles...

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 03:52 PM

Well, that's why I didn't say anything. But with Jim going on about it, I thought I'd throw him a bone.

Solecismic · 09-10-2003, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maple Leafs
Now he's just mocking us with nonsensical riddles...

Well, that would give us four less letters in the segments, but I doubt the final answer is some brute-force unscramble.

Maple Leafs · 09-10-2003, 04:02 PM

Of all the clues, the "Four H Club" one just seems out of place. Maybe it's an American thing, but I have no idea what a Four H Club is. It seems like something like "Fight Club" would have been a better fit, which makes me wonder if the "Four H" is part of a hint. A tic tac toe board (or a pound sign) does look kind of like four H's connected in the middle.

Hmm... club... a clue "sandwhiched" in... club sandwhich?

I got nothing.

Kam · 09-10-2003, 04:06 PM

6 of our answers have food connections

"Tic Tac" toe
Pensa "Cola"
Geral "Dine"
Gilles "Pie"
Micro "Chip"
Four H "Club" (sandwich)

the other four....well......ummmmmm

QuikSand · 09-10-2003, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuikSand
I'm very pleased with your progress so far...

The "grid" constructed above doesn't have any errors in it (you got all the correct words in there), you just need to figure out what to do with it.

I'm getting the sense that some folks missed this.

Franklinnoble · 09-10-2003, 04:19 PM

I'm getting the sense that you must have a lot of time on your hands... how do you come up with this stuff?

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 04:21 PM

I'm getting the sense that the time he spent making the puzzle is much less than the time I've spent staring at it. And I'm really busy (well, supposedly I am).

QuikSand · 09-10-2003, 04:29 PM

The first big needed insight has already been made, it just wasn't recognized as such.

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 04:33 PM

Maybe all but two of the lines deal with food, and the other two are considered 'inside' the sandwich?

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 04:36 PM

I haven't dola'ed in a loooong time.

Maybe it's that there are two clues INSIDE the food clues: Rebel Yell and Three Sons? South Park and Touch Tone are OUTSIDE the food clues.

sabotai · 09-10-2003, 04:39 PM

Here it is in a more "grid" like format (I hope this works...)

It didn't work

So go here to see it

I don't know if this actually helps....but there it is.

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 04:46 PM

Very helpful! Now I don't have to keep scrolling!

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 04:49 PM

However, you misspelled Rebel Yell.

Solecismic · 09-10-2003, 04:49 PM

It's a picture of Quik's dog chasing its tail.

Code:

    AC
 E  AC L
 E  L  LL
 ER L  N
  REES N
 ILLES I
 ICR C I
 OURHC
 OU H
 OU H

Franklinnoble · 09-10-2003, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sabotai
Here it is in a more "grid" like format (I hope this works...)

It didn't work

So go here to see it

I don't know if this actually helps....but there it is.

You misspelled "rebel"

Buzzbee · 09-10-2003, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sabotai
Here it is in a more "grid" like format (I hope this works...)

It didn't work

So go here to see it

I don't know if this actually helps....but there it is.

Edit: What Passacaglia said.

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 04:51 PM

sabotai · 09-10-2003, 04:53 PM

Oh gee, it's good that EVERYONE decided to tell me! If just one person said so, I would have missed it for sure!!!!!

KevinNU7 · 09-10-2003, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuikSand
The first big needed insight has already been made, it just wasn't recognized as such.

Quote:

Originally posted by Solecismic
I should add why I think South Park looks wrong.

All the other answers have two links between them.

For instance, from TICTACTOE to PENSACOLA, there's an A in the 5th position and a C in the 6th.

Going down, there are two links between the first eight answers.

AC EL EL RN ES II RC.

And then you get to SOUTHPARK. Three links. And the same three links between that and TOUCHTONE.

OUH OUH.

Now, those aren't word pieces. At least not word pieces that connect to each other. There's one more thing we need to do to those letter segments.

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 04:55 PM

Hey sabotai, rebel is spelled correctly now.

sabotai · 09-10-2003, 04:57 PM

Following what Jim has done, the only letters next to each other that are the same are:

A, C, E, L, N, R, O, U, H, I, S

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 04:57 PM

Maybe Jim is on the right track, and that the last two pairs are OU and UH, and the fact that OUH works for all three is coincidence.

Even though this goes against Quik's saying that we shouldn't look at what is the same between segments, rather what is the same, I'm bringing it up since Kevin's silent quoting brought it to the forefront with no further explanation.

QuikSand · 09-10-2003, 04:59 PM

The "sandwiched" clue that I referenced was, indeed, just the commonality of the first and last clues from the list. It's not a reference to food, nor does it have anything to do with the potential "contents" of the so-called sandwich. Just the fact that the first and last clues had something in common... that's the clue toward the next big breakthrough here. In fact, without realizing it, that big breakthrough has already been nibbled at, at least. (And not by Solecismic)

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 05:02 PM

http://www.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/cgi-bin/anagram.cgi?phrase=ACELNROUHIS&cpw=1

QuikSand · 09-10-2003, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuikSand
The "grid" constructed above doesn't have any errors in it (you got all the correct words in there), you just need to figure out what to do with it.

Sionce my statements are getting parsed so finely here, I want to clarify this one. My parenthetical statement was meant to explain - not just to reinforce. Whan I said that the "grid" was error-free, I didn't intend to leave the impression that placing the words into that particular "grid" was essential to solving the puzzle. All I meant by it was what I put in parentheses: you got all the correct words.

Hope that helps. I'll be away for a while, but will hope for a breakthrough.

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 05:04 PM

Wow, there's 2553 and skimming through the first couple hundred gave me:

147. A CHORUS LINE

Probably not right, but interesting nonetheless.

sabotai · 09-10-2003, 05:08 PM

"Sionce my statements are getting parsed so finely here, I want to clarify this one. My parenthetical statement was meant to explain - not just to reinforce. Whan I said that the "grid" was error-free, I didn't intend to leave the impression that placing the words into that particular "grid" was essential to solving the puzzle. All I meant by it was what I put in parentheses: you got all the correct words."

Well, gee, that little bit of info helps a lot NOW doesn't it?

QuikSand · 09-10-2003, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Passacaglia
http://www.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/cgi-bin/anagram.cgi?phrase=ACELNROUHIS&cpw=1

It's fascinating that the anagram search revealed "A CHORUS LINE" - but alas, that's a wrong turn.

(I found this before I saw Passacaglia's observation, by the way)

QuikSand · 09-10-2003, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sabotai
Well, gee, that little bit of info helps a lot NOW doesn't it?

Grid good. That grid bad.

Solecismic · 09-10-2003, 05:11 PM

Serves me right for making fun of your dog.

So, the big insight has something to do with zit cream.

Or the ordering of clues for placement in the grid.

sabotai · 09-10-2003, 05:13 PM

HEROIN! Heroin's the big breakthrough that....I'm just going to stop now. This oxycontin is really numbing my brain....

Passacaglia · 09-10-2003, 05:13 PM

I am getting really sick of that zit cream comment. Whenever I refresh this page, it takes me to the top, where I read, "I didn't know you could get high off zit cream!" Incidentally, I was thinking the same thing when I read the previous posts.

Franklinnoble · 09-10-2003, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuikSand
Grid good. That grid bad.

Doh!

09-10-2003, 09:11 AM	#52
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I'm very pleased with your progress so far... and am alternately flattered and disturbed by Shkspr's conjectures above. My sense is that you don't really need any more clues... you really have all the pieces you need in place. The "grid" constructed above doesn't have any errors in it (you got all the correct words in there), you just need to figure out what to do with it. And you've already got the right general idea, you just need to get it with a little more precision. Last edited by QuikSand : 09-10-2003 at 09:12 AM.

09-10-2003, 03:12 PM	#55
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Well, I suppose they could go in some numeric order; touchtone contains 'one', there's a 'three', and a 'four'....a tic-tac-toe grid has 9 squares; I can't make much of anything with the rest though (2 eyes? 5 flags?), so I'm probably headed nowhere. Still lost. __________________ null

09-10-2003, 04:21 PM	#74
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I'm getting the sense that the time he spent making the puzzle is much less than the time I've spent staring at it. And I'm really busy (well, supposedly I am). Last edited by Passacaglia : 09-10-2003 at 04:22 PM.

09-10-2003, 04:39 PM	#78
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Here it is in a more "grid" like format (I hope this works...) It didn't work So go here to see it I don't know if this actually helps....but there it is. Last edited by sabotai : 09-10-2003 at 04:44 PM.

09-10-2003, 04:49 PM	#81
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	It's a picture of Quik's dog chasing its tail. Code: AC E AC L E L LL ER L N REES N ILLES I ICR C I OURHC OU H OU H

09-10-2003, 02:44 PM	#54
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Okay - it's been sitting all day with nothing but a heroin joke. That's not a good sign for a puzzle. Here's some guidance. You have hit upon two things that you need to solve this, but you have basically done so separately. You need to work with both of those things. JeeberD did a good job with the "sandwich" clue... others have taken it in a wrong direction. (Not a bad one, necessarily, just not right for this puzzle) Solecismic was right to start laying the answers in sequence and noting the "transitions" between the adjacent answers... but collectively, you haven't made the next big link with that. If you can put those two bits of thinking together, you'll be right on your way. You have so many ideas, it's hard for so much to be getting past you with so few options left.

09-10-2003, 03:16 PM	#56
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I'm not sure exactly what JeeberD said that was a good job with the sandwich clue. What did he say?

09-10-2003, 03:21 PM	#57
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	each of the clues have nine letters, and there are ten total clues. Does doing something like this get us anywhere? I note it is the shape of the touch tone key pad mentioned in JeeberD's post a while back... TIC PEN REB TAC SAC ELY TOE OLA ELL GER THR GIL ALD EES LES INE ONS PIE MIC FOU SOU ROC RHC THP HIP LUB ARK TOU CHT ONE

09-10-2003, 03:22 PM	#58
Kam H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bloomington, IN	sandwich clue....both first and last clues have to do with a grid the rest of the clues are the meat...and each one has a relation to a number...transitions could be numerical order... now what number coincides with each clue Three sons 4-H Five flags (?)???????

09-10-2003, 03:37 PM	#61
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	But it's a sandwiched pair of secondary clues -- doesn't that mean TWO clues are inside the sandwich?

09-10-2003, 03:39 PM	#62
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	I should add why I think South Park looks wrong. All the other answers have two links between them. For instance, from TICTACTOE to PENSACOLA, there's an A in the 5th position and a C in the 6th. Going down, there are two links between the first eight answers. AC EL EL RN ES II RC. And then you get to SOUTHPARK. Three links. And the same three links between that and TOUCHTONE. OUH OUH. Now, those aren't word pieces. At least not word pieces that connect to each other. There's one more thing we need to do to those letter segments.

09-10-2003, 03:41 PM	#63
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	This may be a red herring, but could the tie-in between the "sanwhich" clues of Tic Tac Toe and Touchtone have anything to do with the "pound" sign (i.e. the little button on the phone that looks like a tic-tac-toe board)?

09-10-2003, 03:42 PM	#64
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Would this be a bad time to mention that before I read people mention South Park, that I was thinking of four square? Doesn't one person have to leave the game, or 'die', after each time?

09-10-2003, 03:45 PM	#65
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	While you seem to be focusing on the things that are staying the same from segment to segment, perhaps you need to think instead about the things that are staying the same.

09-10-2003, 03:52 PM	#68
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Well, that's why I didn't say anything. But with Jim going on about it, I thought I'd throw him a bone.

09-10-2003, 04:02 PM	#70
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Of all the clues, the "Four H Club" one just seems out of place. Maybe it's an American thing, but I have no idea what a Four H Club is. It seems like something like "Fight Club" would have been a better fit, which makes me wonder if the "Four H" is part of a hint. A tic tac toe board (or a pound sign) does look kind of like four H's connected in the middle. Hmm... club... a clue "sandwhiched" in... club sandwhich? I got nothing.

09-10-2003, 04:06 PM	#71
Kam H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bloomington, IN	6 of our answers have food connections "Tic Tac" toe Pensa "Cola" Geral "Dine" Gilles "Pie" Micro "Chip" Four H "Club" (sandwich) the other four....well......ummmmmm

09-10-2003, 04:19 PM	#73
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	I'm getting the sense that you must have a lot of time on your hands... how do you come up with this stuff?

09-10-2003, 04:29 PM	#75
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	The first big needed insight has already been made, it just wasn't recognized as such.

09-10-2003, 04:33 PM	#76
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Maybe all but two of the lines deal with food, and the other two are considered 'inside' the sandwich?

09-10-2003, 04:36 PM	#77
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I haven't dola'ed in a loooong time. Maybe it's that there are two clues INSIDE the food clues: Rebel Yell and Three Sons? South Park and Touch Tone are OUTSIDE the food clues.

09-10-2003, 04:46 PM	#79
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Very helpful! Now I don't have to keep scrolling!

09-10-2003, 04:51 PM	#84
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	ahem

09-10-2003, 04:53 PM	#85
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Oh gee, it's good that EVERYONE decided to tell me! If just one person said so, I would have missed it for sure!!!!!

09-10-2003, 04:55 PM	#87
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Hey sabotai, rebel is spelled correctly now.

09-10-2003, 04:57 PM	#88
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Following what Jim has done, the only letters next to each other that are the same are: A, C, E, L, N, R, O, U, H, I, S

09-10-2003, 04:59 PM	#90
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	The "sandwiched" clue that I referenced was, indeed, just the commonality of the first and last clues from the list. It's not a reference to food, nor does it have anything to do with the potential "contents" of the so-called sandwich. Just the fact that the first and last clues had something in common... that's the clue toward the next big breakthrough here. In fact, without realizing it, that big breakthrough has already been nibbled at, at least. (And not by Solecismic)

09-10-2003, 05:02 PM	#91
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	http://www.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/cgi-bin/anagram.cgi?phrase=ACELNROUHIS&cpw=1

09-10-2003, 05:04 PM	#93
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Wow, there's 2553 and skimming through the first couple hundred gave me: 147. A CHORUS LINE Probably not right, but interesting nonetheless.

09-10-2003, 05:08 PM	#94
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	"Sionce my statements are getting parsed so finely here, I want to clarify this one. My parenthetical statement was meant to explain - not just to reinforce. Whan I said that the "grid" was error-free, I didn't intend to leave the impression that placing the words into that particular "grid" was essential to solving the puzzle. All I meant by it was what I put in parentheses: you got all the correct words." Well, gee, that little bit of info helps a lot NOW doesn't it?

09-10-2003, 05:11 PM	#97
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Serves me right for making fun of your dog. So, the big insight has something to do with zit cream. Or the ordering of clues for placement in the grid.

09-10-2003, 05:13 PM	#98
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	HEROIN! Heroin's the big breakthrough that....I'm just going to stop now. This oxycontin is really numbing my brain....

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