Werewolf LXXII: Chess (Checkmate!) - Page 2

KWhit · 04-28-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I haven't been mated in over a month.

TMI?

claphamsa · 04-28-2008, 10:18 PM

wow, that sucks....

claphamsa · 04-28-2008, 10:19 PM

nah, ur fine.l

just dont rhyme
!

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Originally Posted by KWhit

TMI?

path12 · 04-28-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I haven't been mated in over a month.

Don't look at me.

Sonic Youth · 04-29-2008, 02:19 AM

Alright, I'll have a go. I don't know how often I'll be in, as next week is two tricky pracs and they need attention.

I'm in.

KWhit · 04-29-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I haven't been mated in over a month.

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Originally Posted by Sonic Youth

Alright, I'll have a go.

I'm in.

Ok. Thanks.

Sonic Youth · 04-29-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Ok. Thanks.

I've got just the outfit for you to wear...

Neon_Chaos · 04-29-2008, 08:57 AM

In like Eugenio Torre.

Passacaglia · 05-01-2008, 10:30 AM

My plan is to send out roles Monday morning, and have a long Day 1, with a Day 1 deadline of 3 PM, Tuesday May 6. I'll keep signups open until then.

Qwikshot · 05-01-2008, 11:10 AM

If there is space, I'm in

Passacaglia · 05-01-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot

If there is space, I'm in

If there is space, I'm in
There is space
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You're in!

Barkeep49 · 05-01-2008, 11:23 AM

Yeah to Qwikshot. I know Pass really wanted 20.

Passacaglia · 05-01-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Yeah to Qwikshot. I know Pass really wanted 20.

Yep. 20 means that everyone gets a PM partner -- each side has two rooks, two bishops, two knights, two pawns, and a king and queen. Any additional players just mean that the players controlling pawns won't get as many pawns per player (which I still would love).

Passacaglia · 05-01-2008, 03:57 PM

I made a few edits to the rules. Bishops now have the power that the Knights had originally (scan someone and find out if they're the same color as you). Knights now have a power similar to what the Bishops had originally (restricted seer), but different restrictions were used. The area that Knights can see on the board was also changed.

Also, this was added:

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However, only the Bishops, Kings, and Queens will know what color they are. Rooks, Knights, and Pawns will be told they're White, and the board will appear to them as if they're White, regardless of what color they really are.

Also, the Pawn power of being able to learn a player's location on the board was changed so that it can start being used Night 4, instead of Night 3.

Passacaglia · 05-02-2008, 11:02 AM

Another small rule change:

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Each Pawn can see one space away, but only after it has moved.

Passacaglia · 05-02-2008, 11:39 AM

This is how the board will look for white pieces, and the Black King, Queen, and Bishop:

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Black Rook	Black Knight	Black Bishop	Black Queen	Black King	Black Bishop	Black Knight	Black Rook    8
Black Pawn	Black Pawn	Black Pawn	Black Pawn	Black Pawn	Black Pawn	Black Pawn	Black Pawn    7
	                                                                                                                      6						
	                                                                                                                      5						
	                                                                                                                      4						
	                                                                                                                      3						
White Pawn	White Pawn	White Pawn	White Pawn	White Pawn	White Pawn	White Pawn	White Pawn    2
White Rook	White Knight	White Bishop	White Queen	White King	White Bishop	White Knight	White Rook    1
A	          B	           C	           D	            E	            F	           G	      H

Passacaglia · 05-02-2008, 12:02 PM

For Black Pawns, Black Knights, and Black Rooks, I'm going to use a separate board that makes it look like they're white. Since Pawns, Knights, and Rooks won't know what color they are, I'm manipulating it a little bit so that both colors think they are white -- for example, the Black Knight who starts in cell G8 will think he starts in cell G1, and the Black Pawn who starts in C7 will think he starts in C2. This might get confusing as players try to communicate towards endgame, so I thought I'd get that out there now.

Schmidty · 05-05-2008, 12:05 AM

Considering the fact that I am a very, very good chess player (sorry humility), I should probably sign up....but I need to get my stuff together for my game. Even though it'll be 100% simpler than this one.

ntndeacon · 05-05-2008, 12:31 AM

That could screw up the rooks trying to go towards his own end and ending up at the other side.

Neon_Chaos · 05-05-2008, 02:30 AM

So... what's the time table on this game starting?

Narcizo · 05-05-2008, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

That could screw up the rooks trying to go towards his own end and ending up at the other side.

Not if Pass reverses the orders coming in from the black pieces (which I presume he will be doing).

Narcizo · 05-05-2008, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

So... what's the time table on this game starting?

Pass said that he'd be sending out roles Monday morning EST (so Monday night in your case, I guess) with the first day ending Tuesday.

ImTheCrew · 05-05-2008, 07:23 AM

hey guys sorry, but im not going to be able to play. My schealdue is going to be to hard to play i have school from 7am-2:30pm then work from 3-9 this week, sorry for the inconvenience

Passacaglia · 05-05-2008, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

Not if Pass reverses the orders coming in from the black pieces (which I presume he will be doing).

I'm not sure I understand the comment or the reply -- can you guys clarify?

Passacaglia · 05-05-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

Pass said that he'd be sending out roles Monday morning EST (so Monday night in your case, I guess) with the first day ending Tuesday.

Right. I'm sending out roles in about 2 hours, first deadline in 31 hours.

Passacaglia · 05-05-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ImTheCrew

hey guys sorry, but im not going to be able to play. My schealdue is going to be to hard to play i have school from 7am-2:30pm then work from 3-9 this week, sorry for the inconvenience

No problem, man! Sorry you can't make it!

Narcizo · 05-05-2008, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm not sure I understand the comment or the reply -- can you guys clarify?

Say the black rook believes that he is white and currently on A5 and wants to move to A1. He might say that he wants to move "south" 4 spaces or something. You'd see that he's actually on A4 and then move him "north" 4 spaces so he arrives at A8.

I think.

Thinking about it the main problem is that if he thinks he's white then he's going to have to see the same opposite effect on all pieces around him. So if he sees a black knight next to him he will have to be told that it's a white knight, so he doesn't attempt to capture it. Or if a white pawn is in a position where it could capture him he'll have to be told that it's a black pawn so he knows he needs to try and move away.

Passacaglia · 05-05-2008, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

Say the black rook believes that he is white and currently on A5 and wants to move to A1. He might say that he wants to move "south" 4 spaces or something. You'd see that he's actually on A4 and then move him "north" 4 spaces so he arrives at A8.

I think.

Thinking about it the main problem is that if he thinks he's white then he's going to have to see the same opposite effect on all pieces around him. So if he sees a black knight next to him he will have to be told that it's a white knight, so he doesn't attempt to capture it. Or if a white pawn is in a position where it could capture him he'll have to be told that it's a black pawn so he knows he needs to try and move away.

Right. Part of thinking you're white means that you'll think the other pieces are black. My plan is actually to use "friendly" and "enemy" for the people that don't know what color they are.

Alan T · 05-05-2008, 08:40 AM

I'll play if you need someone to fill in Imthecrew's spot to make it an even 20. Even though my wife is out of town, and I'm spending alot of time working this week, so won't be as active as normal.

Alan T · 05-05-2008, 08:41 AM

Dola... err something weird change with the boards? I don't see how many Private messages I have any longer. It only tells me when I last visited.

Alan T · 05-05-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Dola... err something weird change with the boards? I don't see how many Private messages I have any longer. It only tells me when I last visited.

Ahh it is my Firefox noscript extention blocking it. Guess they changed how that part of the board works for some reason!

Anyhows, I'll play if you need a 20th Pass

Neon_Chaos · 05-05-2008, 08:45 AM

Hmmm. I can see mine.

Barkeep49 · 05-05-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Ahh it is my Firefox noscript extention blocking it. Guess they changed how that part of the board works for some reason!

Anyhows, I'll play if you need a 20th Pass

Yeah there's a bit of a script now that allows you go directly to a folder or send a new message without going through the Inbox first.

claphamsa · 05-05-2008, 09:20 AM

Im gonna be super quiet the first day, or first 8 or so hours, Ill be heading home soon, and wont check back till 9PM EST or so, and timmmorow will be super busy at work (just back from vacation) so im not sneaking by UTR

and ill be sure to get action sin.

Passacaglia · 05-05-2008, 10:16 AM

Starting to send out PMs. Please wait until I post that I'm done to start chatting. Thanks.

Passacaglia · 05-05-2008, 10:38 AM

The following PMs have been sent out:

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X is the White King, in spot E1, and Y is the White Queen, in spot D1.

X is in spot A1, and can prevent attacks made by wolves. Y is in spot H1, and can prevent attacks on the board.

X is in cell B1, and can see a Friendly Rook in cell A1, a Friendly Bishop in spot C1, Friendly Pawns in spots A2, B2, C2 and D2. Cells A3 and C3 are empty. During this turn, you may move to cell A3, C3, or D2.

Y is in cell G1, and can see a Friendly Rook in cell H1, a Friendly Bishop in spot F1, Friendly Pawns in spots E2, F2, G2 and H2. Cells F3 and H3 are empty. During this turn, you may move to cell F3, H3, or E2.

You are the White Bishops. X is in spot C1, and Y is in spot F1.

X controls the Pawns in cells A2, C2, E2, and G2. Y controls the Pawns in cells B2, D2, F2, and H2.

X controls the Pawns in cells A2, C2, E2, and G2. Y controls the Pawns in cells B2, D2, F2, and H2.

You are the Black Bishops. X is in spot C8, and Y is in spot F8.

X is in cell B1, and can see a Friendly Rook in cell A1, a Friendly Bishop in spot C1, Friendly Pawns in spots A2, B2, C2 and D2. Cells A3 and C3 are empty. During this turn, you may move to cell A3, C3, or D2.

Y is in cell G1, and can see a Friendly Rook in cell H1, a Friendly Bishop in spot F1, Friendly Pawns in spots E2, F2, G2 and H2. Cells F3 and H3 are empty. During this turn, you may move to cell F3, H3, or E2.

X is in spot A1, and can prevent attacks on the board. Y is in spot H1, and can prevent attacks made by wolves.

X is the Black King, in spot E8, and Y is the Black Queen, in spot D8.

You guys are also wolves. Good luck.

Begin play!

hoopsguy · 05-05-2008, 10:45 AM

OK, got my PM - it is one of the ones listed above (duh).

Time to re-read the rules and create out a homemade map to see if I can get a little better feel for my options.

st.cronin · 05-05-2008, 10:53 AM

I'm not sure how Team White and Team Black are supposed to coordinate their moves. Is there something obvious I'm missing?

KWhit · 05-05-2008, 11:02 AM

I'm not sure I understand why some players don't know what team they're on.

hoopsguy · 05-05-2008, 11:08 AM

Cronin, my impression is that the leaders of the teams (the ones who actually know whether they are white or black) get to make risk/reward decisions about communicating within the thread. Clearly if they identify themselves as one color then they alienate several others (four players to start, 50% of the other players if there is total disclosure).

I do'nt know what color I am - given that this yields information about what my role would be, you (the collective you, not Cronin specifically) can either take that statement at face value or assume I'm bluffing.

hoopsguy · 05-05-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I'm not sure I understand why some players don't know what team they're on.

From the rules:

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However, only the Bishops, Kings, and Queens will know what color they are. Rooks, Knights, and Pawns will be told they're White, and the board will appear to them as if they're White, regardless of what color they really are.

Passacaglia · 05-05-2008, 11:14 AM

FYI, I don't have AIM at work. I may be logged on, but that's because lurker is using it at home while she studies. You can reach me with questions via PM or google talk (agage1 AT gmail DOT com). Or just email me.

KWhit · 05-05-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

From the rules:

I know it's in the rules. I'm saying that I don't understand why it's done like that. It seems to just make things unnecessarily complex.

Narcizo · 05-05-2008, 11:18 AM

I've thought about this and I would imagine it's to prevent mass reveals. Say we lynch a white piece and then another white piece is night killed. What's to prevent the black pieces all outing themselves and targeting the other white pieces for a lynch?

hoopsguy · 05-05-2008, 11:22 AM

Yep, if we all know what color we are then it gets pretty hard to agree on kills when the game is both "black vs white" and "villager vs wolf".

hoopsguy · 05-05-2008, 11:23 AM

So how does "line of sight" work in this game? For example, I have a certain amount of distance that I can see - but the PM doesn't include information about who is in the spaces around me.

jeheinz72 · 05-05-2008, 11:24 AM

Hey folks checking in.

I really need to re-read the rules though.

RendeR · 05-05-2008, 11:24 AM

PM received, will re-read the rules and post more once I get to work later on.

RendeR · 05-05-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

So how does "line of sight" work in this game? For example, I have a certain amount of distance that I can see - but the PM doesn't include information about who is in the spaces around me.

As I recall Pass said that you will see whatever you can see 'AFTER" you move. So tostart the game you start blind and must move to gain information.

Passacaglia · 05-05-2008, 11:26 AM

Small correction to post 86. My PM to the rooks said that one of them can prevent attacks against wolves. Obviously, I meant they can prevent attacks made by wolves.

04-28-2008, 10:18 PM	#52
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	wow, that sucks.... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

04-29-2008, 08:57 AM	#58
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	In like Eugenio Torre. __________________ Come and see.

05-05-2008, 12:05 AM	#68
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Considering the fact that I am a very, very good chess player (sorry humility), I should probably sign up....but I need to get my stuff together for my game. Even though it'll be 100% simpler than this one. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

05-05-2008, 02:30 AM	#70
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	So... what's the time table on this game starting? __________________ Come and see.

05-05-2008, 08:45 AM	#82
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Hmmm. I can see mine. __________________ Come and see.

04-29-2008, 02:19 AM	#55
Sonic Youth H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Mar 2008	Alright, I'll have a go. I don't know how often I'll be in, as next week is two tricky pracs and they need attention. I'm in.

05-01-2008, 10:30 AM	#59
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	My plan is to send out roles Monday morning, and have a long Day 1, with a Day 1 deadline of 3 PM, Tuesday May 6. I'll keep signups open until then.

05-01-2008, 11:10 AM	#60
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	If there is space, I'm in

05-01-2008, 11:23 AM	#62
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Yeah to Qwikshot. I know Pass really wanted 20.

05-02-2008, 12:02 PM	#67
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	For Black Pawns, Black Knights, and Black Rooks, I'm going to use a separate board that makes it look like they're white. Since Pawns, Knights, and Rooks won't know what color they are, I'm manipulating it a little bit so that both colors think they are white -- for example, the Black Knight who starts in cell G8 will think he starts in cell G1, and the Black Pawn who starts in C7 will think he starts in C2. This might get confusing as players try to communicate towards endgame, so I thought I'd get that out there now.

05-05-2008, 12:31 AM	#69
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	That could screw up the rooks trying to go towards his own end and ending up at the other side.

05-05-2008, 07:23 AM	#73
ImTheCrew High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	hey guys sorry, but im not going to be able to play. My schealdue is going to be to hard to play i have school from 7am-2:30pm then work from 3-9 this week, sorry for the inconvenience

05-05-2008, 08:40 AM	#79
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I'll play if you need someone to fill in Imthecrew's spot to make it an even 20. Even though my wife is out of town, and I'm spending alot of time working this week, so won't be as active as normal.

05-05-2008, 08:41 AM	#80
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Dola... err something weird change with the boards? I don't see how many Private messages I have any longer. It only tells me when I last visited.

05-05-2008, 09:20 AM	#84
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	Im gonna be super quiet the first day, or first 8 or so hours, Ill be heading home soon, and wont check back till 9PM EST or so, and timmmorow will be super busy at work (just back from vacation) so im not sneaking by UTR and ill be sure to get action sin. __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

05-05-2008, 10:16 AM	#85
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Starting to send out PMs. Please wait until I post that I'm done to start chatting. Thanks.

05-05-2008, 10:45 AM	#87
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, got my PM - it is one of the ones listed above (duh). Time to re-read the rules and create out a homemade map to see if I can get a little better feel for my options.

05-05-2008, 10:53 AM	#88
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I'm not sure how Team White and Team Black are supposed to coordinate their moves. Is there something obvious I'm missing? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

05-05-2008, 11:02 AM	#89
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I'm not sure I understand why some players don't know what team they're on.

05-05-2008, 11:08 AM	#90
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Cronin, my impression is that the leaders of the teams (the ones who actually know whether they are white or black) get to make risk/reward decisions about communicating within the thread. Clearly if they identify themselves as one color then they alienate several others (four players to start, 50% of the other players if there is total disclosure). I do'nt know what color I am - given that this yields information about what my role would be, you (the collective you, not Cronin specifically) can either take that statement at face value or assume I'm bluffing.

05-05-2008, 11:14 AM	#92
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	FYI, I don't have AIM at work. I may be logged on, but that's because lurker is using it at home while she studies. You can reach me with questions via PM or google talk (agage1 AT gmail DOT com). Or just email me.

05-05-2008, 11:18 AM	#94
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	I've thought about this and I would imagine it's to prevent mass reveals. Say we lynch a white piece and then another white piece is night killed. What's to prevent the black pieces all outing themselves and targeting the other white pieces for a lynch?

05-05-2008, 11:22 AM	#95
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Yep, if we all know what color we are then it gets pretty hard to agree on kills when the game is both "black vs white" and "villager vs wolf".

05-05-2008, 11:23 AM	#96
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	So how does "line of sight" work in this game? For example, I have a certain amount of distance that I can see - but the PM doesn't include information about who is in the spaces around me.

05-05-2008, 11:24 AM	#97
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Hey folks checking in. I really need to re-read the rules though.

05-05-2008, 11:24 AM	#98
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	PM received, will re-read the rules and post more once I get to work later on. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

05-05-2008, 11:26 AM	#100
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Small correction to post 86. My PM to the rooks said that one of them can prevent attacks against wolves. Obviously, I meant they can prevent attacks made by wolves.

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