NFL Weeks 11-17 thread

[Glengoyne]

So why exactly wasn't Terrance william's TD overruled? He was carelessly waving the ball around with one hand and lost it. By my understanding of the worst rule in football, that constitutes not maintaining control through contact with the ground.

Don't get me wrong I'm rooting for the Cowboys today, but we've seen that rule invoked when Megatron set the ball on the ground while sliding.

Edit: apparently I wasn't having as many troubles posting as I thought. Luckily, I've never had my delete privileges revoked.

[jbergey22]

I felt the Lions fans were shockingly quiet. Apparently not knowing how to cheer a team that is in first place. I remember Thanksgiving games where they were in last place and louder.

Vikings found a way to blow another game while the Lions found a way to pull another one out. Interesting how much better Stafford looks without Calvin Johnson. He is so much better this year.

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

I felt the Lions fans were shockingly quiet. Apparently not knowing how to cheer a team that is in first place. I remember Thanksgiving games where they were in last place and louder.

Vikings found a way to blow another game while the Lions found a way to pull another one out. Interesting how much better Stafford looks without Calvin Johnson. He is so much better this year.

I had always thought Stafford was a bit hamstrung by having a talent that good on the team. Trying to force the ball to one guy is not a good way to succeed, unless that guy is a RB and you can run at will on people. Cincinnati has been that way with AJ Green this year and its frustrating. Can't be so damned one dimensional and expect consistent offense, because people will force you to do things you've lost comfort with and then you're out of your element simply because you don't do anything else well enough to succeed.

[CrescentMoonie]

The role of Mike Carey is now being played by Mike Pereira.

[bhlloy]

Seriously, how hard is it to double team Antonio Brown when Coates couldn't catch a thing thrown to him and the Steelers don't have any other receivers of note?

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Seriously, how hard is it to double team Antonio Brown when Coates couldn't catch a thing thrown to him and the Steelers don't have any other receivers of note?

Apparently it's impossible as several teams have tried to cover him without help this year, starting with DC in week 1.

[CrescentMoonie]

Burfict better get a big fine for that flop.

[General Mike]

WTF is wrong with Eli Manning?

[miami_fan]

That was amazing sportsmanship by Marvin Lewis. Took a timeout so that the Raven had an opportunity to review the spot of a 3rd down play that was obviously short thus forcing the Bengals to have to punt the ball away,

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

That was amazing sportsmanship by Marvin Lewis. Took a timeout so that the Raven had an opportunity to review the spot of a 3rd down play that was obviously short thus forcing the Bengals to have to punt the ball away,

[General Mike]

Great game by JPP when no one else on the Giants decided to show up.

[CrescentMoonie]

Jared Goff, have yourself a day.

Also, where is Sterling Shepard?

[bhlloy]

Wow... Chicago receivers drop a couple of perfectly thrown balls in the end zone otherwise Barkley would have led them to a come back win

[TroyF]

I think I have rarely felt as bad for a single player as I feel for Matt Barkley today. That guy played his ass off and the Bears receivers decided that catching the ball was not something they should bother with. He deserved better today.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

Burfict better get a big fine for that flop.

Yep, ain't no place for that in American football!

[CrescentMoonie]

I want to know what wormhole I fell through that has Matt Barkley being the culprit of a bad team around him and not the cause of the problems.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

I want to know what wormhole I fell through that has Matt Barkley being the culprit of a bad team around him and not the cause of the problems.

I know, so strange. The guy played his heart out today. I was cheering for Tennessee and still felt bad for the guy. That was one hell of a performance. It deserved a W.

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

That was amazing sportsmanship by Marvin Lewis. Took a timeout so that the Raven had an opportunity to review the spot of a 3rd down play that was obviously short thus forcing the Bengals to have to punt the ball away,

I have been a Marvin defender until this season, but this team has absolutely nothing and no changes are being made to try and spark the team at all. That complacency is unacceptable. Bengals need a big change in energy and philosophy on the field. I'd draft all offensive and defensive line players the next 2 seasons if I were them.. And I would bring in kicker after kicker until I found the one I thought was best, thus ending this whole Mike Nugent shitfest.

[CrescentMoonie]

Wish Belichek would rub it in here so I could get my backdoor cover on the -7.5.

[miami_fan]

Nope, still not buying into this Dolphin team.

[CrescentMoonie]

Watching the Grey Cup over the You Can't Make Us Score If We Don't Want To Bowl.

[bhlloy]

Justin Houston is a monster

[cuervo72]

CFL site looks like it is down.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

CFL site looks like it is down.

It's back now. Congrats to the RedBlacks.

[cuervo72]

I wonder if it crashed when everyone went to look up the overtime rules at the same time...

[CrescentMoonie]

I think that's a TD.

[kingfc22]

I'd rule that a TD

[SirFozzie]

I'm disappointed we didn't get a third tie

[TroyF]

Just an incredibly stupid move by Kubiak there to cost Denver the football game. After the two minute warning, KC should never have been allowed to touch the ball again. If they did, it should have been at their own 20 with no time on the clock. And this isn't even counting the horrible special teams error that led to a TD.

Neither one of these teams are going anywhere in the playoffs in my opinion. (that's assuming the Broncos even get there) The Denver offensive line is a problem they won't overcome this year. The Chiefs pop gun offense isn't nearly enough to get it done.

One more note: The Chiefs have one of my favorite players in the game playing on their team. I love Eric Berry and wished the Broncos could have grabbed him somehow. But that hit against Sanders was dirty. I don't want to hear anymore crap from Chiefs fans about how dirty Von Miller is and how angelic their team is. If Berry were in college, he would have been ejected from the game.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

What.

A.

Game.

Two horribly botched calls by the refs could have changed the game.

1. At the start of Denver's drive at the end of regulation where they scored a TD to go up 24-16, there was a blatant hold on the left end of the Denver line on 3rd down with Simien in the end zone. Should have been a safety that would have made it 18-17. Game may have ended differently had that been called.

2. In OT, Denver let the clock run down to the 2:00 warning. However, the play clock hit :00 with the game clock still showing 2:01. Had they called that delay of game, Denver is facing a 67 yard FG instead of a 62 yard FG. They would have likely punted and this game likely would have ended in a tie.

Regardless, the game lived up to the hype and that's all you can ask. Fantastic drama.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

What.

A.

Game.

Two horribly botched calls by the refs could have changed the game.

1. At the start of Denver's drive at the end of regulation where they scored a TD to go up 24-16, there was a blatant hold on the left end of the Denver line on 3rd down with Simien in the end zone. Should have been a safety that would have made it 18-17. Game may have ended differently had that been called.

2. In OT, Denver let the clock run down to the 2:00 warning. However, the play clock hit :00 with the game clock still showing 2:01. Had they called that delay of game, Denver is facing a 67 yard FG instead of a 62 yard FG. They would have likely punted and this game likely would have ended in a tie.

Regardless, the game lived up to the hype and that's all you can ask. Fantastic drama.

On KC's game tying drive, there was a non existent defensive holding and a clear head bob by the center that was called offside on Denver.

As for holding, both teams were doing it all night. Every single time Houston or Miller rushed the passer, there was holding. It was comical on both sides.

Von Miller just missed causing game altering fumbles, once on the reverse at the goal line KC ran in and another at the start of the KC drive to tie the game when he came within a fraction of an inch from hitting the ball out of Smith's hands.

At the end of the day, the only thing that ended up mattering was that Kubiak screwed up royally. (and I would have said this even if the guy had hit the FG) In a game that had that many playoff and divisional implications, you can't lose it like that. KC should have had the ball on the 20 with no timeouts and under a minute on the clock.

He chose the wrong option and Denver paid the price for it.

For years Denver won this division because they had the best QB in the division. last year was an anomaly with a generational defense. Now? It's clearly the Raiders. There is no way the Chiefs or the Broncos do anything in the playoffs with subpar offensive lines and good but not great defenses. If anyone has a hope to derail NE in the AFC, it's going to be the Raiders or the Steelers. I don't see the Denver or KC upside being enough to be high enough to challenge them.

[QuikSand]

Quirky and inconsequential play at the end of the BAL/CIN game. Ravens up by 7, with 11 seconds left, on about their own 20 yard line, 4th down.

They line up for a punt, and the Ravens players were clearly instructed to HOLD LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW. The Bengals players, predictably, did not properly understand the situation, and nobody made it through to apply any pressure at all. Many seemed to be giving halfhearted effort, and others had been physically tackled by the Ravens employing fully illegal tactics. The punter walked around with the ball, strolled into the endzone, and eventually walked out for a safety - probably eclipsing the 11 seconds and then some more after that. By rule, the penalty counted, but unlike a defensive penalty, that does not prevent the game from simply ending.

So... not many situations in the NFL where committing a penalty is clearly the right thing to do to help your team, but here it pretty much was.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

So... not many situations in the NFL where committing a penalty is clearly the right thing to do to help your team, but here it pretty much was.

Couple weeks ago near the end of the first half, the Saints had the ball on the 49ers 12 or so with 11 (or so) seconds left and no timeouts. Time for one play into the end zone and if it isn't there, you throw it away and take the field goal.

The 49ers, brilliantly, held every eligible receiver. They got a five yard penalty, and the clock had gone down to 4 sec or so. The Saints then kicked the field goal.

Basically, by intentionally holding, the 49ers deprived the Saints of a chance for that one shot into the end zone.

But it didn't look nearly as cool as the Baltimore play.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Quirky and inconsequential play at the end of the BAL/CIN game. Ravens up by 7, with 11 seconds left, on about their own 20 yard line, 4th down.

They line up for a punt, and the Ravens players were clearly instructed to HOLD LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW. The Bengals players, predictably, did not properly understand the situation, and nobody made it through to apply any pressure at all. Many seemed to be giving halfhearted effort, and others had been physically tackled by the Ravens employing fully illegal tactics. The punter walked around with the ball, strolled into the endzone, and eventually walked out for a safety - probably eclipsing the 11 seconds and then some more after that. By rule, the penalty counted, but unlike a defensive penalty, that does not prevent the game from simply ending.

So... not many situations in the NFL where committing a penalty is clearly the right thing to do to help your team, but here it pretty much was.

The second time the Ravens have done that. The first was in the Super Bowl, but the Niners did react. A well coached team would have seen that coming because of that. The Bengals are not a well coached team.

[Butter]

Just converted this thread to a general NFL thread for rest of the season, since the weekly threads weren't even drawing a single full page any more.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Couple weeks ago near the end of the first half, the Saints had the ball on the 49ers 12 or so with 11 (or so) seconds left and no timeouts. Time for one play into the end zone and if it isn't there, you throw it away and take the field goal.

The 49ers, brilliantly, held every eligible receiver. They got a five yard penalty, and the clock had gone down to 4 sec or so. The Saints then kicked the field goal.

Basically, by intentionally holding, the 49ers deprived the Saints of a chance for that one shot into the end zone.

But it didn't look nearly as cool as the Baltimore play.

The NFL has already changed the rule to allow for what the Niners did to fall under a "palpably unfair act" if it is done a second time in a game, and time would be added back to the clock. Wouldn't be surprised if they eventually change it to just happening as a first offense.

NFL clamps down on 'palpably unfair' acts like 49ers' intentional holding - San Francisco 49ers Blog- ESPN

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by TroyF

I think I have rarely felt as bad for a single player as I feel for Matt Barkley today. That guy played his ass off and the Bears receivers decided that catching the ball was not something they should bother with. He deserved better today.

Maybe he's a better dude now, but Barkley was one of the biggest douchebag asshats to ever walk through Heritage Hall in his time at USC, and this is karma coming back around to smack him upside the head.

I don't feel even a second of remorse for him not getting a result yesterday.

[Dutch]

Not really a feel-good moment, but it was very touching to see the human side of some of these players and it was pretty emotional to see everybody rally to him immediately afterwards.

Verner's dad died Friday. On Sunday, Alterraun made a key interception to help the Bucs win a defensive struggle with the Seahawks.

Verner overcome with emotion after interception - NFL.com

Alterraun Verner: My dad would have been very, very proud | ProFootballTalk

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Not really a feel-good moment, but it was very touching to see the human side of some of these players and it was pretty emotional to see everybody rally to him immediately afterwards.

Verner's dad died Friday. On Sunday, Alterraun made a key interception to help the Bucs win a defensive struggle with the Seahawks.

Verner overcome with emotion after interception - NFL.com

Alterraun Verner: My dad would have been very, very proud | ProFootballTalk

Us UCLA fans are following along on this one, too. ATV is one of those guys we're especially proud to have seen go through Westwood. Tragic for him to lose his father, but he certainly did earn his father's pride yesterday.

[bhlloy]

So Doug Pedersen just used his last challenge to gain 2 yards back on second down. Wasn't he supposed to be smart and new school?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

So Doug Pedersen just used his last challenge to gain 2 yards back on second down. Wasn't he supposed to be smart and new school?

Yea was on the treadmill at the gym watching that when they went to commercial break during the review. And I was just puzzled trying to figure out what needed challenging on that play.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Geez, another Gronk injury.

[Logan]

NFL plans to hire 17 full-time officials, executive says

[CrescentMoonie]

Joe McKnight killed in road rage incident

[bhlloy]

Fuck, that one hurts. RIP

[Suicane75]

That's two players who played in the CFL this year that have been shot and killed.

[Suicane75]

If the NFL can do this god awful color rush shit, why not have a couple weeks during the season for throwback uniforms. And I don't mean going all the way back to 1930 like they were doing a couple of years ago.

[Ned Doolittle]

What's the point behind color rush and why is it called color rush?

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Geez, another Gronk injury.

Probably done for the year.

Great, great player. He plays a very physical game though and it's tough to play like that for a long length of time.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

San Diego Chargers to exercise team option to move to Los Angeles in 2017