The 2011 NBA Offseason---Stern says no - Page 2

stevew · 06-22-2011, 10:58 PM

Kahn!

Swaggs · 06-22-2011, 11:03 PM

Sounds like the Jazz are giving Kanter some consideration at #3, as well. They could just be trying to drive up trade value, but I think they'd be smarter to go with the talented big man, in Kanter, and then hope that Jimmer (even though I don't think he'll be able to play enough D to be an NBA starter) or Kemba at #12.

It just seems like a star player from BYU should play for the Jazz.

MikeVic · 06-22-2011, 11:05 PM

mckerney · 06-22-2011, 11:20 PM

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whomario · 06-23-2011, 05:39 AM

I liked Rambis from how he handles himself and he definitely knows the game, but it was the right thing to do. Anyone who saw the games last year saw that the style he wanted to play fit nearly no player on the roster and he made no adjustments what so ever. Maybe the players assembled aren´t ideal, but you can´t go with a coach where you need to either hope for change in or replace every single player of note, can you ?

IMO the roster doesn´t look all that bad from a talent standpoint actually. Of course that´s assuming Rubio pans out and they don´t crap the bed in this draft + Free Agency.

as for the draft : There´s no way Valanciunas should go before Kanter, none.

Vesely seems a lock at 6 for the Wizards, i suppose there´s worse places for him.

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Sounds like Biyombo is falling fast after his Italian workout.

and quickly rose again after 3 solid to great workouts in the US. Not the type of guy you can judge from workouts anyway, from what i´ve seen he is very raw but very impressive. There´s no denying that he was a defensive force in the ACB and that´s not something you should discount.
I really like the prospect of a Monroe/Biyombo frontcourt for the Pistons down the road.

@ swaggs : I think there´s a decent chance that Walker is available at 12 but wouldn´t bet on it. The Jazz problem is that all top PGs and big guys are projected to go before the 12th pick and it dries up considerably after that and since they want both positions with their picks they´ll have to just hope for someone to fall.

Hope the Rockets are able to trade one of their picks for a solid veteran.

bhlloy · 06-23-2011, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario

IMO the roster doesn´t look all that bad from a talent standpoint actually. Of course that´s assuming Rubio pans out and they don´t crap the bed in this draft + Free Agency.

If you like teams that go four deep at a couple of positions and have nothing at the other three, I guess? A competent GM would be able to make a half decent team out of these pieces I'd agree, but we'll see what happens. I have no faith in Kahn making anything close to a couple of consistent competent decisions.

Neon_Chaos · 06-23-2011, 10:43 AM

Seriously, the Cavs should go get Williams to screw with the Wolves.

This will either force the TWolves to go Irving (the most hilarious scenario, drafting ANOTHER PG while having Rubio and Flynn stashed in the roster) or Kanter.

If the Wolves get Irving, the Jazz will get Knight, and the Cavs can pick up Kanter at 4.

If the Wolves get Kanter, the Jazz will probably go for Irving, and the Cavs can pick up Knight at 4.

albionmoonlight · 06-23-2011, 11:27 AM

Reading through some mock drafts and draft analysis, I have come up with an impossible task for any NBA draft analyst/reporter:

Compare Jimmer Fredette to an NBA player who isn't white.

MikeVic · 06-23-2011, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Reading through some mock drafts and draft analysis, I have come up with an impossible task for any NBA draft analyst/reporter:

Compare Jimmer Fredette to an NBA player who isn't white.

Trajan Langdon.

stevew · 06-23-2011, 11:51 AM

Boobie Gibson

MrBug708 · 06-23-2011, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Reading through some mock drafts and draft analysis, I have come up with an impossible task for any NBA draft analyst/reporter:

Compare Jimmer Fredette to an NBA player who isn't white.

Curry

mckerney · 06-23-2011, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario

I liked Rambis from how he handles himself and he definitely knows the game, but it was the right thing to do. Anyone who saw the games last year saw that the style he wanted to play fit nearly no player on the roster and he made no adjustments what so ever. Maybe the players assembled aren´t ideal, but you can´t go with a coach where you need to either hope for change in or replace every single player of note, can you ?

It doesn't look like Rambis was the right guy, but Kahn is the one who is mostly responsible for the last two years and the bleak outlook going forward to this team. It's a bullshit move because Rambis shouldn't have been the guy scapegoated, especially when he was Kahn's hand picked guy. If Rambis needs to go then so does Kahn.

mckerney · 06-23-2011, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Seriously, the Cavs should go get Williams to screw with the Wolves.

This will either force the TWolves to go Irving (the most hilarious scenario, drafting ANOTHER PG while having Rubio and Flynn stashed in the roster) or Kanter.

If the Wolves get Irving, the Jazz will get Knight, and the Cavs can pick up Kanter at 4.

If the Wolves get Kanter, the Jazz will probably go for Irving, and the Cavs can pick up Knight at 4.

The problem is Jonny Flynn has been a bust so far, and the other PG they have is Rubio. Just because they have young bodies there doesn't justify passing on a talent like Irving. It's akin to saying the Wolves shouldn't take Kanter because they have Darko and Pekovic.

korme · 06-23-2011, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Reading through some mock drafts and draft analysis, I have come up with an impossible task for any NBA draft analyst/reporter:

Compare Jimmer Fredette to an NBA player who isn't white.

I think Henry Abbott or Russillo or Chad Ford compared him to Steph Curry. Makes sense, can shoot the gym, not a true PG in the sense, questionable D. Doesn't mean he'll be as successful as Curry, but the comparables are there.

Neon_Chaos · 06-23-2011, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney

The problem is Jonny Flynn has been a bust so far, and the other PG they have is Rubio. Just because they have young bodies there doesn't justify passing on a talent like Irving. It's akin to saying the Wolves shouldn't take Kanter because they have Darko and Pekovic.

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

Of course, you have a point.

I know of a northwestern team who didn't draft a certain shooting guard at #2 because they already had a shooting guard.

Atocep · 06-23-2011, 04:49 PM

Basketball Prospectus' player projection system has Jimmer's top 2 comps as JJ Redick and Jodie Meeks. Both are playing a role similar to how I picture Jimmer being used. Curry, IMO, is a lazy comp. He was already showing development as a PG at Davidson while Jimmer hasn't shown anything that would lead you to believe he can play the point at all in the NBA.

korme · 06-23-2011, 04:56 PM

Source confirms multiple reports: MIL gets B. Udrih, S. Jackson, and 19th pick. Charlotte gets 7th and C. Maggette. Sacto get 10th and J. Salmons

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korme · 06-23-2011, 04:59 PM

This is a big *shrug* for me. I know Milwaukee considers itself a playoff team/contender, so i wonder if they think Jackson is an upgrade over Salmons/Maggette (offensively inefficient offensive players), or if it's a salary dump at all (haven't looked at any salaries, assuming they're all around the same)

korme · 06-23-2011, 05:00 PM

Also, Corey Maggette gets his dream, depending on who they take at 7, he replaces old Steve Jackson as Charlotte's primary scorer. He's gonna shoot the ball 25 times a night.

whomario · 06-23-2011, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney

It doesn't look like Rambis was the right guy, but Kahn is the one who is mostly responsible for the last two years and the bleak outlook going forward to this team. It's a bullshit move because Rambis shouldn't have been the guy scapegoated, especially when he was Kahn's hand picked guy. If Rambis needs to go then so does Kahn.

i don´t even disagree with you (not anymore at least when it comes to Kahn), it´s just that i think Rambis wasn´t a good fit anymore no matter what.

as for Fredette-Curry : That´s an obvious one considering their college careers and style in which they play, but i see a few key differences. Fredette is moving a lot different than Curry (and has a different constitution) and relies on strength more when going to the basket (which might be a problem in the NBA) and is not half the passer that Curry is and yes, that´s judging the college versions. Curry showed great passing skills in college even if the numbers weren´t eye popping for reasons to do with his role, Fredette hasn´t.
I don´t think anyone can judge his defense due to him basically not being asked to play any, but he likely won´t be better than slightly below average (Curry has been pretty atrocious in the NBA ...)

personally i actually think he could be a Chauncey Billups type player who shoots the ball well from deep, gets to the line at a good clip (despite not being a great threat to finish inside) and gets by with "only" decent passing skills for a starting PG. I´m not sure he can channel his need to chuck the ball enough or develop the intagibles to play a similar role but i just see a lot of similarities here.
It´s obviously a best case scenario, but what fun is it to only look for the floor

incidentily it could very well be that they get traded for each other tonight, Knicks want to move up and offer Billups and Fields and the Kings reportedly are telling teams they have an agreement to trade the 7th pick. (and could use both a veteran presence and an actually decent 2/3 who play defense and hustles)

EDIT : OK, might have figured wrong ...

stevew · 06-23-2011, 05:09 PM

Jimmer Fredette is the next Dell Curry?

whomario · 06-23-2011, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by korme

This is a big *shrug* for me. I know Milwaukee considers itself a playoff team/contender, so i wonder if they think Jackson is an upgrade over Salmons/Maggette (offensively inefficient offensive players), or if it's a salary dump at all (haven't looked at any salaries, assuming they're all around the same)

yeah, salary isn´t much of a factor here, amount and length comes out about even.
Jackson seems like a good fit for Milwaukee as does Udrih because both can take pressure of Jennigs. Still won´t have anyone who actually finishes shots in the paint but spacing should be better.

I just read Charlotte keeps the 9th pick but sends Shaun Livingston instead. That´s weird, since now Milwaukee takes on a point forward and 2 PGs when their 2nd best player is Jennings.
Charlotte now picking 7th and 9th. Maybe moved up to get "their" pick + Biyombo whome they were reportedly very impressed with in a late workout.

is there any website/radio link for any sort of reports on the draft right now that i could listen to ?

korme · 06-23-2011, 05:32 PM

i listened to the nba today podcat recorded earlier today but it had some good info in there, saying kanter is almost a lock to go #2 now.

ESPN Radio

korme · 06-23-2011, 06:06 PM

Sactown and Spurs discussing flipping Salmons + #10 for Tony Parker

Arles · 06-23-2011, 06:55 PM

Wow, Parker and Evans in the back court? Not sure that works well, but who knows. Salmons and 10 for Parker seems like nice value though.

whomario · 06-23-2011, 07:27 PM

this draft coverage on NBA TV is highly hilarious. "Does he project as a starting or franchise type of PG or more of a 6th man ?", talking about Norris Cole who they just called a "early 2nd round prospect"
Also, "Alec Burks, i don´t like him if he goes in the first 7 or 8 picks" when no one has him much higher than 20 ...

Groundhog · 06-23-2011, 07:41 PM

Alec Burks strikes me as one guy who is probably underrated this draft.

korme · 06-23-2011, 07:44 PM

Yeah the draft coverage by the TV guys on both ESPN and NBATV has been underwhelming...

mckerney · 06-23-2011, 07:46 PM

Alright, now plz keep him.

bronconick · 06-23-2011, 07:52 PM

Is there normally a smattering of boos for Stern or are basketball fans catching up to hockey fans in their disdain of a commissioner?

korme · 06-23-2011, 08:02 PM

I think Williams is an awful fit for Minny. He is Michael Beasley, less talented, less crazy. Great now you have two undersized power forwards. Especially with DWill insisting he wants to play 3, every summer he's gonna work on his outside game when he should be developing post moves and using his quickness inside.

Also, Thompson is a surprise pick for me, but maybe the Cavs know something I don't. Hollinger has him #3 in his draft evaluator algorithm.

korme · 06-23-2011, 08:02 PM

wow Toronto

Groundhog · 06-23-2011, 08:16 PM

Toronto just hates American players!

Didn't expect that from them however. I am sold on Valanciunas however, as I've read a fair bit about him given that I figured the Cavs were a decent chance to pick him, but I thought the Raptors would've gone with instant help.

Not sure how I feel about Tristan Thompson at #4. I'd heard more than one person say he was undervalued heading into the draft though.

M GO BLUE!!! · 06-23-2011, 08:22 PM

Brandon Knight to the Pistons is nice.

Zinto · 06-23-2011, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Brandon Knight to the Pistons is nice.

I am really glad they did not pick Kemba. I am just hopeful he is a little happier to come to Detroit then how he looked after getting drafted.

mckerney · 06-23-2011, 08:33 PM

They need to change the rules on trading picks in the new CBA. No more talking about how excited you are to be playing for Sacramento while wearing a Bucks hat.

Groundhog · 06-23-2011, 08:34 PM

Charlotte was probably the perfect place for Kemba to go, given their scoring woes.

jbergey22 · 06-23-2011, 08:34 PM

Great pick by the wolves. I believe Williams will be the star of this draft.

I thought Kahn might completely blow this when I heard rumors of trading the #2 to Phoenix or LA. Hopefully now they can find a taker for Love.

Groundhog · 06-23-2011, 08:47 PM

I think the Jazz have done well.

jbergey22 · 06-23-2011, 08:51 PM

I wonder if the Cavs passing on the foreign guy to take Thompson has anything to do with Gilbert's lack of patience after some of his ridiculous Twitter rants about LBJ?

jbergey22 · 06-23-2011, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groundhog

I think the Jazz have done well.

I agree.

That center looks like an impressive player. I probably would have taken him #2 behind Williams. I know PG's have suddenly become more important in the eyes of NBA GM's but I dont see the huge gap between Irving, Knight and Walker that perhaps many do.

Groundhog · 06-23-2011, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbergey22

I wonder if the Cavs passing on the foreign guy to take Thompson has anything to do with Gilbert's lack of patience after some of his ridiculous Twitter rants about LBJ?

Thing is, if you are going to pick a guy who can't come over for a season, this is the year to do it given that it will likely be a shortened season...

stevew · 06-23-2011, 09:06 PM

Leonard slipping to 15 is a joke. Glue guy who probably be a rotational player for 10 years. No way he should go behind the dumb twins.

korme · 06-23-2011, 09:07 PM

Pacers trade newly drafted F Kawhi Leonard to Spurs for G George Hill. Guess they're not dumping Parker

korme · 06-23-2011, 09:10 PM

johnhollinger John Hollinger

Math test: What's better, converting 7th pick into John Salmons, or 15th pick into George Hill?

Groundhog · 06-23-2011, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by korme

Pacers trade newly drafted F Kawhi Leonard to Spurs for G George Hill. Guess they're not dumping Parker

I'm not sold on Leonard after reading through the DraftExpress analysis on his college performance, but I have to admit, he definitely sounds like the kind of guy that would blossom in the Spurs system.

Groundhog · 06-23-2011, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by korme

johnhollinger John Hollinger

Math test: What's better, converting 7th pick into John Salmons, or 15th pick into George Hill?

Very true.

DaddyTorgo · 06-23-2011, 09:13 PM

Iman Shumpert hmm? Interesting Knicks.

Groundhog · 06-23-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Iman Shumpert hmm? Interesting Knicks.

Maybe it's just his size and alma mater, but Shumpert has me thinking Javaris Crittenton. I guess there were no bigs left that the Knicks were interested in.

DaddyTorgo · 06-23-2011, 09:16 PM

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06-22-2011, 11:03 PM	#52
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Sounds like the Jazz are giving Kanter some consideration at #3, as well. They could just be trying to drive up trade value, but I think they'd be smarter to go with the talented big man, in Kanter, and then hope that Jimmer (even though I don't think he'll be able to play enough D to be an NBA starter) or Kemba at #12. It just seems like a star player from BYU should play for the Jazz. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

06-22-2011, 11:05 PM	#53
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06-23-2011, 10:43 AM	#57
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Seriously, the Cavs should go get Williams to screw with the Wolves. This will either force the TWolves to go Irving (the most hilarious scenario, drafting ANOTHER PG while having Rubio and Flynn stashed in the roster) or Kanter. If the Wolves get Irving, the Jazz will get Knight, and the Cavs can pick up Kanter at 4. If the Wolves get Kanter, the Jazz will probably go for Irving, and the Cavs can pick up Knight at 4. __________________ Come and see.

06-23-2011, 05:09 PM	#71
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Jimmer Fredette is the next Dell Curry? Last edited by stevew : 06-23-2011 at 05:24 PM.

06-22-2011, 11:20 PM	#54
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Mark Cuban Files MOST BADASS Legal Doc EVER \| TMZ.com

06-23-2011, 11:27 AM	#58
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Reading through some mock drafts and draft analysis, I have come up with an impossible task for any NBA draft analyst/reporter: Compare Jimmer Fredette to an NBA player who isn't white.

06-23-2011, 11:51 AM	#60
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Boobie Gibson

06-23-2011, 04:49 PM	#66
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Basketball Prospectus' player projection system has Jimmer's top 2 comps as JJ Redick and Jodie Meeks. Both are playing a role similar to how I picture Jimmer being used. Curry, IMO, is a lazy comp. He was already showing development as a PG at Davidson while Jimmer hasn't shown anything that would lead you to believe he can play the point at all in the NBA.

06-23-2011, 04:56 PM	#67
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Source confirms multiple reports: MIL gets B. Udrih, S. Jackson, and 19th pick. Charlotte gets 7th and C. Maggette. Sacto get 10th and J. Salmons Read more: HoopsHype - NBA Media Twitters

06-23-2011, 04:59 PM	#68
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	This is a big shrug for me. I know Milwaukee considers itself a playoff team/contender, so i wonder if they think Jackson is an upgrade over Salmons/Maggette (offensively inefficient offensive players), or if it's a salary dump at all (haven't looked at any salaries, assuming they're all around the same)

06-23-2011, 05:00 PM	#69
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Also, Corey Maggette gets his dream, depending on who they take at 7, he replaces old Steve Jackson as Charlotte's primary scorer. He's gonna shoot the ball 25 times a night.

06-23-2011, 05:32 PM	#73
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	i listened to the nba today podcat recorded earlier today but it had some good info in there, saying kanter is almost a lock to go #2 now. ESPN Radio

06-23-2011, 06:06 PM	#74
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Sactown and Spurs discussing flipping Salmons + #10 for Tony Parker

06-23-2011, 06:55 PM	#75
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Wow, Parker and Evans in the back court? Not sure that works well, but who knows. Salmons and 10 for Parker seems like nice value though. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

06-23-2011, 07:27 PM	#76
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	this draft coverage on NBA TV is highly hilarious. "Does he project as a starting or franchise type of PG or more of a 6th man ?", talking about Norris Cole who they just called a "early 2nd round prospect" Also, "Alec Burks, i don´t like him if he goes in the first 7 or 8 picks" when no one has him much higher than 20 ...

06-23-2011, 07:41 PM	#77
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Alec Burks strikes me as one guy who is probably underrated this draft. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

06-23-2011, 07:44 PM	#78
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Yeah the draft coverage by the TV guys on both ESPN and NBATV has been underwhelming...

06-23-2011, 07:46 PM	#79
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Alright, now plz keep him.

06-23-2011, 07:52 PM	#80
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	Is there normally a smattering of boos for Stern or are basketball fans catching up to hockey fans in their disdain of a commissioner?

06-23-2011, 08:02 PM	#81
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	I think Williams is an awful fit for Minny. He is Michael Beasley, less talented, less crazy. Great now you have two undersized power forwards. Especially with DWill insisting he wants to play 3, every summer he's gonna work on his outside game when he should be developing post moves and using his quickness inside. Also, Thompson is a surprise pick for me, but maybe the Cavs know something I don't. Hollinger has him #3 in his draft evaluator algorithm.

06-23-2011, 08:16 PM	#83
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Toronto just hates American players! Didn't expect that from them however. I am sold on Valanciunas however, as I've read a fair bit about him given that I figured the Cavs were a decent chance to pick him, but I thought the Raptors would've gone with instant help. Not sure how I feel about Tristan Thompson at #4. I'd heard more than one person say he was undervalued heading into the draft though. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

06-23-2011, 08:22 PM	#84
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Brandon Knight to the Pistons is nice.

06-23-2011, 08:33 PM	#86
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	They need to change the rules on trading picks in the new CBA. No more talking about how excited you are to be playing for Sacramento while wearing a Bucks hat.

06-23-2011, 08:34 PM	#87
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Charlotte was probably the perfect place for Kemba to go, given their scoring woes. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

06-23-2011, 08:34 PM	#88
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Great pick by the wolves. I believe Williams will be the star of this draft. I thought Kahn might completely blow this when I heard rumors of trading the #2 to Phoenix or LA. Hopefully now they can find a taker for Love. Last edited by jbergey22 : 06-23-2011 at 08:36 PM.

06-23-2011, 08:47 PM	#89
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	I think the Jazz have done well. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

06-23-2011, 08:51 PM	#90
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	I wonder if the Cavs passing on the foreign guy to take Thompson has anything to do with Gilbert's lack of patience after some of his ridiculous Twitter rants about LBJ?

06-23-2011, 09:06 PM	#93
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Leonard slipping to 15 is a joke. Glue guy who probably be a rotational player for 10 years. No way he should go behind the dumb twins.

06-23-2011, 09:07 PM	#94
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Pacers trade newly drafted F Kawhi Leonard to Spurs for G George Hill. Guess they're not dumping Parker

06-23-2011, 09:10 PM	#95
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	johnhollinger John Hollinger Math test: What's better, converting 7th pick into John Salmons, or 15th pick into George Hill?

06-23-2011, 09:13 PM	#98
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Iman Shumpert hmm? Interesting Knicks.

06-23-2011, 09:16 PM	#100
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Rachel Nichols can be on my TV anytime... __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

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