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06-11-2010, 02:38 PM | #52 |
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06-11-2010, 02:43 PM | #53 | |
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In fairness, perhaps the public perceives the likelihood of one doing something worthwhile or even remotely interesting with their lives vs the likelihood of the other being anything more than a multi-generational drain on society. Just sayin' ...
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06-11-2010, 02:44 PM | #54 |
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I heard the skank likes to sail because of all the seamen.
Come on, someone had to.
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06-11-2010, 03:31 PM | #55 |
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She should also have to watch every single episode of Gilligan's Island when she gets back.
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06-12-2010, 07:30 PM | #56 |
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I was reading about this on ESPN. The Aussies won't be seeking compensaion. On the other hand, the French vessel hasn't commented. It's like 10 days till they reach port. I don't know anything about oceanic salvage(other than what was in The Life Aquatic), but can't the French get a large amount for saving her? If they want to be dicks.
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06-13-2010, 09:09 PM | #57 |
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Hopefully now she can get back to safer, more responsible teenage activities like drinking, drugs, unprotected sex. Then everyone will settle down.
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06-13-2010, 09:26 PM | #58 |
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If anyone can show that the accident happened had anything to do with her being a teenager, then I'll agree the family should pay. But by all accounts I've read, she handled everything professional and was properly trained for the voyage. Unless we're going to start charging everyone who gets into an accident like this, then all this whining about payment is silly.
And I disagree that this is a "worthless" activity. To me it sounds like something that can build character and experience in doing something on your own, particularly for someone who could otherwise just waste their time while waiting for that trust fund to come in.
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06-13-2010, 11:46 PM | #59 |
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How much are we going to charge Qantas for the advertising they received for being the spotter jet that found her? I hope the Sutherlands get a whole passel of cash for setting them up to look like heroes.
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You pretty much echo my thoughts.
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06-14-2010, 06:43 AM | #61 | |
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I actually think its a very worthwhile experience for her - she's obviously incredibly talented and has spent a large portion of her young life learning how to be a sailor, why not let her try.
When a young gymnast goes to the olympics people cheer them on - this is no different in that its a talent being pushed to its fullest at an early age. Yes its dangerous, but so is crossing the street - I personally think its incredibly brave of her parents to let her do this; heck my daughter has just got her first car and its taking all my will power to let her drive that ... let alone sail around the world. (with regards to her being rescued - heck thats common decency imho, if someones in trouble you help them - if a plane crashes in the Atlantic should the people on that have to pay for their being rescued because they were off on a jolly holiday rather than 'having' to make their trip?) |
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Far easier to call 16 year old girls "bimbos" than actually have a coherent thought on the subject Marc. You should be ashamed of yourself. |
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I actually have a problem with gymnastics in particular, too, as those girls go to excessive lengths to stay light while they're young, really screwing up their development, causing issues later in life. In very few sports other than gymnastics are the athletes that young, they're typically over 18. /tk
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06-14-2010, 10:32 AM | #66 |
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I also don't get the hate for this girl. I think most of us would consider ourselves lucky if our kids turned out to be this ambitious.
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06-14-2010, 10:38 AM | #67 |
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I don't know that anyone hates her, I personally think that her family needs to be held accountable for all costs associated with the recovery of her and her boat. If you are going to go on a dangerous mission, don't expect others to foot the bill when you need bailed out due to your inexperience, or bad luck, or whatever.
I don't even know if anyone is disputing that, or if it just got caught up being stated in a venomous manner, so is being confused for girl hatred.
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Glad you said that, I was really confused.
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I took it as Troy being sarcastic and he singled out Marc's post as one of the few "coherent thoughts" in the thread.
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This is how I took it, too.
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I'm not sure I agree. Should a mountain climber or a hiker trapped in the wild have to foot the rescue bill if there is an avalanche, flood, etc...? |
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I do as well, just trying to play devils advocate. It just seems to me people are saying her family should have to pay more because she is a rich kid doing a rich kid activity. At least that seems the sentiment. I'm just wondering if the uproar would be the same if this was a poor kid from Louisiana who got lost in the swamp while hiking. |
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My point of view lies somewhere along the lines of if somebody else has to risk their life to save yours because you ventured off the beaten path then you need to be responsible for whatever measures were taken to rescue you. If that means taking out some sort of "rescue insurance" prior to your activity, then so be it. |
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WTF? 7 kids, broke and an 8th on the way. This really makes me want to force the government to work on population control... |
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But wouldn't you say part of being a rescue worker is risking your life to save others? I would say the majority of rescues probably could have been preventable. Should every single person who needs those services be sent a bill? |
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I did say "off the beaten path"... If you fell down an old well while walking in Central Park I would have no problem, as a taxpayer, footing the bill for your rescue but if you were hung up somewhere on the Empire State Building after a base jump went bad then screw you, that is all on you, my friend. |
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Sailing seems closer to the first one than the second one. Yes, she was far away and everything. But it doesn't seem like that crazy or expensive a "rescue mission." Nor does it seem like that crazy or expensive an activity. |
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You clearly have a different definition of expensive than I do.
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I bet this guy's idea of "broke" and mine are two totally different things.
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Gee now that'd be a shock.
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Sure, lots of people sail boats but very few do it where she was doing it otherwise it wouldn't be a big deal. |
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It was a big deal because she was 16 and American. I'd be a big deal no matter where she ran into trouble. But I assure you that lots of people sail, even long distances. Google it, it's a whole thing. Last edited by molson : 06-14-2010 at 04:58 PM. |
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Dola - and it was Australia that paid for this (and they seem pretty proud of their search-and-rescue capabilities), why are people here so upset? (besides the rich people thing).
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When you have to scramble rescue efforts from two foreign countries half way around the world then I think you've gone a little too far. Quote:
I don't care who she is, how old she is, or where she's from...IMO, it was reckless and she nearly paid for it with her life. Instead, somebody else's mom/dad/son/daughter had to drop everything worthwhile that they were doing to try and find her and whether the rescue teams were doing something life-threatening or not, they didn't need to be out there in the first place. Actually, what if that rescue plane that eventually spotted her ended up having a malfunction of sorts and never made it back? What of the revenue lost of the fishing boat who likely went a couple hundred miles out of their way to pick her up? What if something happened/happens as a result of the detour? Quote:
I'm sure the regular Aussie taxpayer isn't terribly happy to hear that the taxes he paid today went to save some careless sailor. |
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There's nothing to indicate the sailor was particularly "careless", only recreational. Would it have somehow been more noble or appropriate if the rescue was undertaken for, just for an example, a foreign-flagged for-profit fishing boat? I'd go with no.
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So she knew what she was doing by heading to very rough seas...sounds careless to me. |
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Sailing is a very expensive hobby. Just ask my dad...or my mom (our 37' sailboat is my dad's toy). The minimum cost for her rescue mission is about 50k/day, the estimated operating cost of the ship that's going to get her (based on discussions on a sailing mailing list I'm on). /tk
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True. Though it's my opinion, based on reading memoirs of people who've done single-hand round-the-world-trips, and seeing interviews with people who've done it, and seeing interviews during things like America's Cup, that everybody who does it is slightly....out there. I think you have to be slightly crazy to want to do it. I have no "real" problem with her doing a single-hand round-the-world trip, though I do think that if she were a little older, she would have had more experience for other issues (mechanical and electrical issues) that reading her blog, it seems like she was unprepared to tackle. I don't think anybody will ever be able to say if her mast was broken in this storm due to the insanity of the storm and it was just a "freak" accident or if she actually reefed her sail the wrong way, putting undo stress on the mast. I'll give her benefit of the doubt, Mother Nature is a bitch. /tk
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Triple Dola, I guess, based on my limited experience on the East Coast with search and rescue, the patients/subjects do end up having to pay for the for-pay resources that are called out. However, at least in the mid-Atlantic region, many of the response teams are volunteer.
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But who defines the 'beaten' path? - I used to do MotorX when I was younger for instance, that (at least the way we used to do it in an old Chalk quarry) was ludicrously dangerous looking back on it ..... similarly I have friends who have learnt to fly gliders, another incredibly dangerous prospect if it goes wrong etc. I'd expect if you look into it statistically you'd probably find that her sailing is less dangerous (taking into account her experience and skills) than a lot of more common activities taken by unskilled people - eg. hiking through the wilderness etc. |
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If she is old enough to sail around the world why is she not old enough to be piledrived? Kidding.
Anyway if people want to endanger their own lives then so be it long as it doesn't interfere with mine.
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