Questions (patch related) - Page 2

Ben E Lou · 11-21-2003, 03:34 PM

Jim:

There's another small bug that I haven't seen anywhere. There is a rounding problem. For example, in the test universe I'm running, there wer 10,299 completions for 111,134 yards. Yards per completion is listed at 10.7, when it is actually 10.79.

The same holds true for league yards per carry.

Bonegavel · 11-21-2003, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by Solecismic
I found the import bug. It's XP-only (maybe NT as well, didn't check). This is the second XP-only bug I've found (the first was in beta, and almost cost me my sanity). I'm going to have to start developing on XP in the future, as it seems to be more fragile than Windows Me, even (which I currently develop on for exactly that reason).

I found discrepancies developing with Visual C++ 6.0 between 98/NT (similar code bases to ME / XP). Simple things like setting up PENS and working with FONTS would work differently in the 2 depending on placements.

Win98 seemed to be more forgiving with where I would place items, which may be good or bad.

The main problem I remember having was in OnDraw() with an item in a for() loop. I placed the item in there by accident, but Win98 didn't care. The minute I ran it on NT the thing farted and died. I moved the item where it belonged outside the loop and both were happy.

I tend to think (hope, is more like it) that the NT base is more "fragile" because it forces better code. My example had the 98 box reproducing the same thing each iteration of the loop which was a waste of resources... NT said no.

I may be off base, but I was a bit worried when I found out you were developing on ME due to my experience above.

HeavyReign · 11-21-2003, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by CraigSca
That would have nothing to do with HeavyReign's utility, that would point the finger at incoming draftees.

Right. I wonder how many players from the original file are actually in the game at that point and how many of them are still making an impact.

Gallifrey · 11-21-2003, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by Bonegavel

I tend to think (hope, is more like it) that the NT base is more "fragile" because it forces better code. My example had the 98 box reproducing the same thing each iteration of the loop which was a waste of resources... NT said no.

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Your right on.

Solecismic · 11-21-2003, 05:08 PM

From what I've seen, it's really six of one, half a dozen of the other. NT is better with variables, but it's also more "proper". Earlier versions of NT (not sure if this is still the case) always initialized everything to 0, which made for nasty surprises when first running on '95.

I chose Me because people complained about it the most, said it was the bastard child of the Windows series. But XP is catching up.

RPI-Fan · 11-21-2003, 05:11 PM

Jim:

It appears there _may_ be some issues with Hall of Fame selection critera.

See this thread.

Thanks,
~kyle

Darkiller · 11-21-2003, 05:42 PM

I just can't wait to begin my first serious FOF2004 career as early as the patch comes out :-))

cartman · 11-21-2003, 06:05 PM

The same arguments for the different flavors of Windows can be made for the different flavors of Unix. Solaris is pretty forgiving, HPUX not as much. But if the code isn't solid on AIX, then it just doesn't even try to run. It's the hardest UNIX platform to write for, but the programs that are written well are solid.

That being said, I agree with Jim's decision to write the software on the worst possible platform. If it runs well there, then it's slicker than snot on a slide on the better platforms.

Primal · 11-21-2003, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by Darkiller
I just can't wait to begin my first serious FOF2004 career as early as the patch comes out :-))

I hope its still before the weekend...

Cringer · 11-21-2003, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by Primal
I hope its still before the weekend...

it IS the weekend

SnowMan · 11-21-2003, 07:34 PM

Still Friday in Jim's neck of the woods.

Cringer · 11-21-2003, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by SnowMan
Still Friday in Jim's neck of the woods.

But when work is over on friday, the weekend begins

But i believe he started this thread saying he hoped to have it done tomorrow,and that was from this morning right? So thats when i'm expecting it. But hoping for it late tonight in the wee hours of the morning.......

aej · 11-21-2003, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by Solecismic
I found the import bug. It's XP-only (maybe NT as well, didn't check).

I'm on Win98Lite, and using the same 2003 TCY draft I've had one crash, one successful import and then 3 more crashes. The last one gave the following report:

FRFOOT2004 caused an invalid page fault in
module FRFOOT2004.EXE at 0167:004d753d.
Registers:
EAX=0408fcfc CS=0167 EIP=004d753d EFLGS=00010286
EBX=00000001 SS=016f ESP=01010e48 EBP=010110a0
ECX=001ed3e0 DS=016f ESI=0073db58 FS=1207
EDX=024b7a68 ES=016f EDI=024b7a68 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
83 7c 08 14 31 74 0f 8b 8d 70 fe ff ff 83 c1 01
Stack dump:
0073db58 024b7a68 01010e74 bff7a10e bff7a567 8160b000 00000040 0000026a 00000000 00000008 bff713e2 00000167 bff7ce64 bff741f7 81655860 bff7dafa

Wolvendancer · 11-22-2003, 12:36 AM

I am also finding inflated passing numbers, with a League YPCarry around 3.5 in Season 12. I use a run-heavy gameplan, did not draft, and use the standard player file.

Capital · 11-22-2003, 10:13 AM

In the past, when a patch for FOF was released, was a restart required? The only reason I ask is that I just got back from vacation and now want to start over. I want to play it today, but I hear that a patch may be released shortly. Is there any reason to wait for the patch and not play the game?

DolphinFan1 · 11-22-2003, 10:19 AM

Capital, sometimes it was required sometimes not. Depending on what the patch was for. Not sure until Jim releases it.

Darkiller · 11-22-2003, 10:23 AM

I'm holding until it's released. The sooner the better and Jim said it would be this WE.

amdaily · 11-22-2003, 10:26 AM

This patch shouldn't require a restart. Jim said in another thead he wouldn't be adding in a requested tweak because it would require a restart.

Capital · 11-22-2003, 10:27 AM

Thanks, as I was looking for past history. Based upon what I have seen in my limited few seasons before vacation, the game seems very solid without too many/if any showstoppers.

Capital · 11-22-2003, 10:35 AM

Thanks, as I was looking for past history. Based upon what I have seen in my limited few seasons before vacation, the game seems very solid without too many/if any showstoppers.

11-21-2003, 05:11 PM	#56
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Jim: It appears there _may_ be some issues with Hall of Fame selection critera. See this thread. Thanks, ~kyle __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

11-21-2003, 05:42 PM	#57
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	I just can't wait to begin my first serious FOF2004 career as early as the patch comes out :-)) __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

11-21-2003, 06:05 PM	#58
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	The same arguments for the different flavors of Windows can be made for the different flavors of Unix. Solaris is pretty forgiving, HPUX not as much. But if the code isn't solid on AIX, then it just doesn't even try to run. It's the hardest UNIX platform to write for, but the programs that are written well are solid. That being said, I agree with Jim's decision to write the software on the worst possible platform. If it runs well there, then it's slicker than snot on a slide on the better platforms. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

11-22-2003, 12:36 AM	#64
Wolvendancer n00b Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Austin, TX	! I am also finding inflated passing numbers, with a League YPCarry around 3.5 in Season 12. I use a run-heavy gameplan, did not draft, and use the standard player file.

11-22-2003, 10:19 AM	#66
DolphinFan1 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Connecticut	Capital, sometimes it was required sometimes not. Depending on what the patch was for. Not sure until Jim releases it. __________________ GM of the Milwaukee Muscle Men of the ZFL. The 1st team in ZFL history to have a perfect losing season. I am on a quest to show that the Dolphins can win the Super Bowl. Or should I say Front Office Bowl, with FOF2K7. The revival of an old favorite, FOFC Wrestling Dynasty

11-21-2003, 05:08 PM	#55
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	From what I've seen, it's really six of one, half a dozen of the other. NT is better with variables, but it's also more "proper". Earlier versions of NT (not sure if this is still the case) always initialized everything to 0, which made for nasty surprises when first running on '95. I chose Me because people complained about it the most, said it was the bastard child of the Windows series. But XP is catching up.

11-21-2003, 07:34 PM	#61
SnowMan High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Georgia via Alaska via Washington	Still Friday in Jim's neck of the woods.

11-22-2003, 10:13 AM	#65
Capital High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000	In the past, when a patch for FOF was released, was a restart required? The only reason I ask is that I just got back from vacation and now want to start over. I want to play it today, but I hear that a patch may be released shortly. Is there any reason to wait for the patch and not play the game?

11-22-2003, 10:23 AM	#67
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	I'm holding until it's released. The sooner the better and Jim said it would be this WE. __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history.

11-22-2003, 10:26 AM	#68
amdaily College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003	This patch shouldn't require a restart. Jim said in another thead he wouldn't be adding in a requested tweak because it would require a restart.

11-22-2003, 10:27 AM	#69
Capital High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000	Thanks, as I was looking for past history. Based upon what I have seen in my limited few seasons before vacation, the game seems very solid without too many/if any showstoppers.

11-22-2003, 10:35 AM	#70
Capital High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000	Thanks, as I was looking for past history. Based upon what I have seen in my limited few seasons before vacation, the game seems very solid without too many/if any showstoppers.

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