The Pope Dies. - Page 2

VPI97 · 04-01-2005, 01:23 PM

I always liked the Pope...hopefully he's not in pain right now.

Crapshoot · 04-01-2005, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fritz

Not a Catholic, but I have always had a great admiration for the Pope. The next guy has big shoes to fill.

Yeah. As much as I disagreed with him on many things, JP was by all accounts a good man, and a good pope.

Hurst2112 · 04-01-2005, 01:37 PM

Some of the Catholics want to explain something to an admitted 'ignorant' when it comes to the Pope?

What makes him so special in the Catholic religion? That's an honest question will no ill-will guided towards Catholics. Just curious as to why those of us who don't follow him and his religion will be damned to hell (tongue in cheek of course).

I should know this, but again I will admit that I am not hip to all the rules of Catholic Christianity.

thanks

DaddyTorgo · 04-01-2005, 01:42 PM

the pope is technically the bishop of rome. and the bishop of rome is acknowledged as the leader of the catholic church.

The title pope stems from the Greek word papas, which simply means "father." Early in Christian history it was used as a formal title expressing affectionate respect for any bishop and sometimes even priests. Today it continues to be used in Eastern Orthodox churches for the patriarch of Alexandria.

In the West, however, it has been used exclusively as a technical title for the bishop of Rome and head of the Roman Catholic Church since about the ninth century — but not for solem occasions. Technically, the person holding the office of the bishop of Rome and Pope also has the titles:

Holy Father
His Holiness
Bishop of Rome
Vicar of Jesus Christ
Successor of St. Peter
Prince of the Apostles
Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church
Primate of Italy
Patriarch of the West
Servant of the Servants of God
Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Province of Rome
Sovereign of the State of Vatican City

A pope is, in essence, the supreme legislative, executive, and judicial authority in the Roman Catholic Church — there are no "checks and balances" like one may be accustomed to finding in secular governments.

Canon 331 describes the office of pope thus:

The office uniquely committed by the Lord to Peter, the first of the Apostles, and to be transmitted to his successors, abides in the Bishop of the Church of Rome. He is head of the College of Bishops, the Vicar of Christ, and the Pastor of the universal Church here on earth. Consequently, by virtue of his office, he has supreme, full, immediate, and universal ordinary power in the Church, and he can always freely exercise this power.

Easy Mac · 04-01-2005, 01:43 PM

Imagine Billy Graham times infinity... thats like 1/10th of the pope.

Hurst2112 · 04-01-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Imagine Billy Graham times infinity... thats like 1/10th of the pope.

REALLY?!?!?!?!? KICK ASSS!!!!!!

ISiddiqui · 04-01-2005, 02:06 PM

Sad day. I didn't always agree with the Pope, but I always felt he was entirely sincere in his beliefs. This Pope was highly intelligent (spoke an good number of languages) and want dedicated to reparing the rifts cause by the past. He reached out to Jews and Muslims in apologizing for the Crusades. He tried to repair the rift between Catholic and Orthodox Churches. He tried to work for the betterment of man, and even if I didn't think he was right, he was still a great man.

Raiders Army · 04-01-2005, 02:10 PM

This has gone two pages and nobody has called April Fool's???

Hurst2112 · 04-01-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Sad day. I didn't always agree with the Pope, but I always felt he was entirely sincere in his beliefs. This Pope was highly intelligent (spoke an good number of languages) and want dedicated to reparing the rifts cause by the past. He reached out to Jews and Muslims in apologizing for the Crusades. He tried to repair the rift between Catholic and Orthodox Churches. He tried to work for the betterment of man, and even if I didn't think he was right, he was still a great man.

well put...

Can't really hate a guy with that history.

Hurst2112 · 04-01-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

This has gone two pages and nobody has called April Fool's???

(checking appropriate laughter chart...)

HAH! that was funny. Never thought of that. CNN will post a pick of JP2 in the window giving the dual 'hang ten' hands. APRIL FOOLS!!

Raiders Army · 04-01-2005, 02:25 PM

Seriously, I'm at work and there's nothing on msnbc, cnn, or fox about this. I would think that it would be breaking news by now.

vtbub · 04-01-2005, 02:26 PM

He's still alive, but barely.

Karlifornia · 04-01-2005, 02:31 PM

Do you think the Pope will get into Heaven? Tupac and Biggie made it, I think....

weinstein7 · 04-01-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by timmynausea

The good news is that the pope is alive again. The bad news is his hunger for brains.

Winner!

On a more serious note, in response to those who have asked who will succeed JP2 when the time comes (I'm somewhat surprised he didn't resign in the past few years), as I understand it there's a list created by the top cardinals, I assume it's kept fairly secret.

I'm not Catholic, but I lived in Poland for a couple of years, so obviously there was a lot of talk about the pope, and many of my friends were deeply Catholic, and (through their grandmothers) in on church gossip. Anyway, it seems the primary candidates are an Italian and an African (I think their names are known, but not by me). The "good" news about an African pope would be that it would show the increasing diversity of Catholicism, the "bad (or not)" news is that African Catholics (and other Christians) tend to be very conservative, and I believe that this particular guy is no exception.

Young Drachma · 04-01-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by weinstein7

Winner!

On a more serious note, in response to those who have asked who will succeed JP2 when the time comes (I'm somewhat surprised he didn't resign in the past few years), as I understand it there's a list created by the top cardinals, I assume it's kept fairly secret.

I'm not Catholic, but I lived in Poland for a couple of years, so obviously there was a lot of talk about the pope, and many of my friends were deeply Catholic, and (through their grandmothers) in on church gossip. Anyway, it seems the primary candidates are an Italian and an African (I think their names are known, but not by me). The "good" news about an African pope would be that it would show the increasing diversity of Catholicism, the "bad (or not)" news is that African Catholics (and other Christians) tend to be very conservative, and I believe that this particular guy is no exception.

Here's an article about it.
Link

3ric · 04-01-2005, 03:09 PM

"I'm somewhat surprised he didn't resign in the past few years"

It's not a position which you can resign from - once elected as Pope, it's for life.

WSUCougar · 04-01-2005, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 3ric

It's not a position which you can resign from - once elected as Pope, it's for life.

Much like Bud Selig.

Raiders Army · 04-01-2005, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 3ric

"I'm somewhat surprised he didn't resign in the past few years"

It's not a position which you can resign from - once elected as Pope, it's for life.

Who made those silly rules? What if the Pope got Shiavoed and was in a coma for over 15 years? Can someone remove him then?

3ric · 04-01-2005, 03:40 PM

Correction: it appears to be possible for a Pope to resign voluntarily, but it's extremely rare (last time it happened was in the 15th century)

DaddyTorgo · 04-01-2005, 03:53 PM

JOHN TITOR!!! THE MAN FROM THE FUTURE!!!

sachmo71 · 04-01-2005, 03:54 PM

The pope will die. John Titor said so.

Greyroofoo · 04-01-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Who made those silly rules? What if the Pope got Shiavoed and was in a coma for over 15 years? Can someone remove him then?

nope, the pope can't be removed unless he resigns or dies

gottimd · 04-01-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Much like Bud Selig.

People can be elected "Bud Selig"?

Senator · 04-01-2005, 06:51 PM

The FOFC is getting pretty shoddy at acurate reporting these days. You guys in a race we don't know about or something?

SunDevil · 04-01-2005, 07:01 PM

Well there are some openings at CBS and people are just getting in the last bit of experience before sending out their resumes.

NoMyths · 04-01-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator

The FOFC is getting pretty shoddy at acurate reporting these days. You guys in a race we don't know about or something?

Some folks, at least.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 04-01-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator

The FOFC is getting pretty shoddy at acurate reporting these days. You guys in a race we don't know about or something?

Blame it on Fox News ! I should have stayed with MSNBC.

Buccaneer · 04-01-2005, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Imagine Billy Graham times infinity... thats like 1/10th of the pope.

And there you have it: God's grace is measureable.

Klinglerware · 04-01-2005, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEMICAL SOLDIER

Blame it on Fox News ! I should have stayed with MSNBC.

Once again, they jump the gun and Shepard has to make an embarassing retraction. I thought they put rules in place for this, or does that only count in elections?

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 04-01-2005, 11:43 PM

Just been watching MSNBS and Chris Jansing Held a copy of La Stampa(Italian Paper( proclaimng the pope dead. Kinda reminds me of Dewey Defeats Truman.

3ric · 04-01-2005, 11:57 PM

They did have a Pope removed once (14th-15th century) since he was mentally ill. The cardinals decided to declare him "dead" to remove him from office and replace him but this caused a big rift in the catholic church and no less than four other Popes were elected, competing with each other... This was called "the Great Schism".

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URBAN VI (d.1389): As mentioned before, his violent behaviour led many to think he was deranged and, as a result, the cardinals went ahead and elected a 31-year old uneducated Neapolitan cardinal as Boniface IX. This started the Great Schism of the western Papacy which lasted until 1417, and was one of the factors leading to the break-up of the Church at Luther’s revolution. Urban executed five cardinals who had plotted against him, and in turn was poisoned. GREGORY XII (d.1417) resigned in 1415 to try to end the Great Schism. No pope has abdicated since then. The Council of Constance deposed the two anti-popes John XXIII and Benedict XIII, and Cardinal Oddo Colonna was elected by the cardinals to restore unity to the Church. As Martin V he became one of the great reforming popes.

I find history like this absolutely fascinating.

Ragone · 04-02-2005, 12:01 AM

some of you must have been the story checkers when bob hope's obituary got posted 3 years too soon

BigJohn&TheLions · 04-02-2005, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 3ric

They did have a Pope removed once (14th-15th century) since he was mentally ill. The cardinals decided to declare him "dead" to remove him from office and replace him but this caused a big rift in the catholic church and no less than four other Popes were elected, competing with each other... This was called "the Great Schism".

I find history like this absolutely fascinating.

Imagine something like this happening today...

First, there is no way it would go on for years. With the way our culture is today it would be all over every channel and paper. We'd get so sick of hearing about it. If something takes a week today it's a long time.

But still imagine a Pope going fruit loops and they'd have him declaired mental and then everything would fall apart with like , 5 different guys claiming to be Pope...

I find it fascinating reading that Popes have led wars and such...

ISiddiqui · 04-02-2005, 12:38 AM

Actually it was only 3 competing Pope's. One in Avignon, where the Papacy had been moved for a while and was attempting to get resurrected as home of the Papacy. One in Rome, when the Italians tried to get the Papacy back, and one in Parma due to a council. The eventual council made all three give up their claims and elected a new Pope.

This period is also refered to as "The Babylonian Captivity" (refering to the French apparently 'stealing' the Papacy - using the term for when the Jews were exiled).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_schism

Oh, and there was no declaration that Urban was dead. Just that they wanted a new Pope. A 'my bad', IOW.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 04-02-2005, 12:54 AM

Keith Olberman and MSNBC I feel has the best coverage so far. They are stating that there is a possibleNews Conference. at 12 pn PST.

wade moore · 04-02-2005, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

"I feel happy!!" - THWAP!!!

I'm glad I'm not the only one that immediately thought of this...

Cringer · 04-02-2005, 07:07 AM

Wow, I missed this yesterday. Almost 24 hours later and I am just finding out.....Downside of driving nights, sleeping day, getting home and watching something the Pope wouldn't approve of.

I am technically Catholic, but have never really been to church but a few times, even as a kid. I still do hold the Pope in high regards, despite the fact I do not agree on many of his views. He has been the only Pope of my lifetime just about, becoming the Pope when I was 1, will be odd to see him go.

JeeberD · 04-02-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

This has gone two pages and nobody has called April Fool's???

Hurst2112 · 04-02-2005, 05:41 PM

Damn, Jeebs...that's funny, despite all that has happened. Sorta like my hang ten thoughts above.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 04-02-2005, 08:47 PM

Ok, Now it's official that the pope has passed. We were charting in my clinicals when officially the news broke.

04-01-2005, 01:37 PM	#53
Hurst2112 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minneapolis	Some of the Catholics want to explain something to an admitted 'ignorant' when it comes to the Pope? What makes him so special in the Catholic religion? That's an honest question will no ill-will guided towards Catholics. Just curious as to why those of us who don't follow him and his religion will be damned to hell (tongue in cheek of course). I should know this, but again I will admit that I am not hip to all the rules of Catholic Christianity. thanks __________________ http://www.myspace.com/longliveanalog

04-01-2005, 01:42 PM	#54
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	the pope is technically the bishop of rome. and the bishop of rome is acknowledged as the leader of the catholic church. The title pope stems from the Greek word papas, which simply means "father." Early in Christian history it was used as a formal title expressing affectionate respect for any bishop and sometimes even priests. Today it continues to be used in Eastern Orthodox churches for the patriarch of Alexandria. In the West, however, it has been used exclusively as a technical title for the bishop of Rome and head of the Roman Catholic Church since about the ninth century — but not for solem occasions. Technically, the person holding the office of the bishop of Rome and Pope also has the titles: Holy Father His Holiness Bishop of Rome Vicar of Jesus Christ Successor of St. Peter Prince of the Apostles Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church Primate of Italy Patriarch of the West Servant of the Servants of God Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Province of Rome Sovereign of the State of Vatican City A pope is, in essence, the supreme legislative, executive, and judicial authority in the Roman Catholic Church — there are no "checks and balances" like one may be accustomed to finding in secular governments. Canon 331 describes the office of pope thus: The office uniquely committed by the Lord to Peter, the first of the Apostles, and to be transmitted to his successors, abides in the Bishop of the Church of Rome. He is head of the College of Bishops, the Vicar of Christ, and the Pastor of the universal Church here on earth. Consequently, by virtue of his office, he has supreme, full, immediate, and universal ordinary power in the Church, and he can always freely exercise this power. Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 04-01-2005 at 01:45 PM.

04-01-2005, 02:06 PM	#57
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Sad day. I didn't always agree with the Pope, but I always felt he was entirely sincere in his beliefs. This Pope was highly intelligent (spoke an good number of languages) and want dedicated to reparing the rifts cause by the past. He reached out to Jews and Muslims in apologizing for the Crusades. He tried to repair the rift between Catholic and Orthodox Churches. He tried to work for the betterment of man, and even if I didn't think he was right, he was still a great man. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-01-2005, 02:26 PM	#62
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	He's still alive, but barely. __________________

04-01-2005, 02:31 PM	#63
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Do you think the Pope will get into Heaven? Tupac and Biggie made it, I think.... __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

04-01-2005, 01:43 PM	#55
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Imagine Billy Graham times infinity... thats like 1/10th of the pope.

04-01-2005, 02:10 PM	#58
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	This has gone two pages and nobody has called April Fool's???

04-01-2005, 02:25 PM	#61
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Seriously, I'm at work and there's nothing on msnbc, cnn, or fox about this. I would think that it would be breaking news by now.

04-01-2005, 03:09 PM	#66
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	"I'm somewhat surprised he didn't resign in the past few years" It's not a position which you can resign from - once elected as Pope, it's for life. __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

04-01-2005, 03:40 PM	#69
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	Correction: it appears to be possible for a Pope to resign voluntarily, but it's extremely rare (last time it happened was in the 15th century) __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

04-01-2005, 03:53 PM	#70
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	JOHN TITOR!!! THE MAN FROM THE FUTURE!!!

04-01-2005, 03:54 PM	#71
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	The pope will die. John Titor said so.

04-01-2005, 06:51 PM	#74
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	The FOFC is getting pretty shoddy at acurate reporting these days. You guys in a race we don't know about or something? __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

04-01-2005, 07:01 PM	#75
SunDevil College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Tempe, AZ	Well there are some openings at CBS and people are just getting in the last bit of experience before sending out their resumes.

04-01-2005, 11:43 PM	#80
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Just been watching MSNBS and Chris Jansing Held a copy of La Stampa(Italian Paper( proclaimng the pope dead. Kinda reminds me of Dewey Defeats Truman. __________________ Toujour Pret

04-02-2005, 12:01 AM	#82
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	some of you must have been the story checkers when bob hope's obituary got posted 3 years too soon

04-02-2005, 12:38 AM	#84
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Actually it was only 3 competing Pope's. One in Avignon, where the Papacy had been moved for a while and was attempting to get resurrected as home of the Papacy. One in Rome, when the Italians tried to get the Papacy back, and one in Parma due to a council. The eventual council made all three give up their claims and elected a new Pope. This period is also refered to as "The Babylonian Captivity" (refering to the French apparently 'stealing' the Papacy - using the term for when the Jews were exiled). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_schism Oh, and there was no declaration that Urban was dead. Just that they wanted a new Pope. A 'my bad', IOW. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams Last edited by ISiddiqui : 04-02-2005 at 12:46 AM.

04-02-2005, 12:54 AM	#85
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Keith Olberman and MSNBC I feel has the best coverage so far. They are stating that there is a possibleNews Conference. at 12 pn PST. __________________ Toujour Pret

04-02-2005, 07:07 AM	#87
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Wow, I missed this yesterday. Almost 24 hours later and I am just finding out.....Downside of driving nights, sleeping day, getting home and watching something the Pope wouldn't approve of. I am technically Catholic, but have never really been to church but a few times, even as a kid. I still do hold the Pope in high regards, despite the fact I do not agree on many of his views. He has been the only Pope of my lifetime just about, becoming the Pope when I was 1, will be odd to see him go. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

04-02-2005, 05:41 PM	#89
Hurst2112 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minneapolis	Damn, Jeebs...that's funny, despite all that has happened. Sorta like my hang ten thoughts above. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/longliveanalog

04-02-2005, 08:47 PM	#90
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Ok, Now it's official that the pope has passed. We were charting in my clinicals when officially the news broke. __________________ Toujour Pret

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