EA Announces First 3D Sports Strategy Game -- NFL Head Coach - Page 2

GrantDawg · 10-17-2005, 01:00 PM

I refuse to let myself be hopefull on this. I have been burnt by EA too many times.

WSUCougar · 10-17-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I refuse to let myself be hopefull on this. I have been burnt by EA too many times.

But...it's in the game.

SackAttack · 10-17-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Correction: one of the producers.

I wonder if Dan Wasson is one of the others, since he was involved with the EA/Solecismic synergy back in the day.

bob · 10-17-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Yeah, NBA games dont really play well on a console or computer, it invariably breaks down to you driving and dunking, or launching 3's.

How's this different from the NBA?

QuikSand · 10-17-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

I wonder if Dan Wasson is one of the others, since he was involved with the EA/Solecismic synergy back in the day.

That name stirs up some ghosts around here, doesn't it?

As I recall, Dan Wasson was the guy who came onto this board and started going off on how the people who entered their credit card information and purchased the FOF 2001 game during what they later described as a live trial were "pirates" and "thieves." And that was before I started getting ominous phone messages from EA at my home.

Oh, the good old days.

Antmeister · 10-17-2005, 02:16 PM

I must say that this has actually looks interesting. This looks like something a number of people on the board was looking for. Since I was a long time player of FPS Football, I longed for the day when I could coach my team while seeing the action reveal itself through the use of graphics.

Yet I am very pessimistic that it will give solid stats. In fact, I don't know if there will be a emphasis on tracking a player's career since it seems to focus more on the lifespan of the head coach. Plus I doubt there will be an option where you can be both coach and GM which is what I am looking for.

If the reviews come out somewhat favorably, I will give it a try.

stevew · 10-17-2005, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bob

How's this different from the NBA?

At least they can run a semblance of offense from time to time in the NBA. Like in the last version of Live i played, there is no such thing as having a "Post game"

GrantDawg · 10-17-2005, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

That name stirs up some ghosts around here, doesn't it?

As I recall, Dan Wasson was the guy who came onto this board and started going off on how the people who entered their credit card information and purchased the FOF 2001 game during what they later described as a live trial were "pirates" and "thieves." And that was before I started getting ominous phone messages from EA at my home.

Oh, the good old days.

You were all pirates and you know it.

Butter · 10-17-2005, 02:39 PM

If the AI is not good, it can ruin the game.

Anyone heard anything about the AI?

JeffR · 10-17-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I think the genre benefits from all additions, and perhaps there will be some joystick jockeys who find this intriguing enough to start them looking for a real management sim

And I'm sure, once the game's out and those people are discovering its shortcomings, those of us who know the genre will be only too happy to give them a pointer in the right direction...

Blade6119 · 10-17-2005, 03:25 PM

EA just released a FIFA manager 06, so go look at that or the reviews and it will all but tell you what you will get in nfl coach

Passacaglia · 10-17-2005, 03:28 PM

I think that a sim as an NFL Head Coach would actually be interesting -- just calling plays and running the team, while dealing with your general manager. I doubt the AI would be any good, then.

rexallllsc · 10-17-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

This kind of hits on my thoughts...

but what I often wonder is do I WANT a 3d sim? I don't see myself sitting in front of an hour or two of watching a game and just staring at it..

The only way I see this being entertaining is if it was done in a "sportscenter" style, not watching the game from start to finish...

Either that or maybe the old x's and o's running around.. honestly, that would do it for me...

You know what I think would be really great - a 2d system like FM does for soccer. So I can see exactly whats happening - I don't need something too graphic intensive, but an overhead of the O and D would be awesome.

Eaglesfan27 · 10-17-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister71

I must say that this has actually looks interesting. This looks like something a number of people on the board was looking for. Since I was a long time player of FPS Football, I longed for the day when I could coach my team while seeing the action reveal itself through the use of graphics.

Yet I am very pessimistic that it will give solid stats. In fact, I don't know if there will be a emphasis on tracking a player's career since it seems to focus more on the lifespan of the head coach. Plus I doubt there will be an option where you can be both coach and GM which is what I am looking for.

If the reviews come out somewhat favorably, I will give it a try.

You nailed most of my thoughts. I'll likely give this a try, unless reviews are poor.

Antmeister · 10-17-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

This kind of hits on my thoughts...

but what I often wonder is do I WANT a 3d sim? I don't see myself sitting in front of an hour or two of watching a game and just staring at it..

The only way I see this being entertaining is if it was done in a "sportscenter" style, not watching the game from start to finish...

Either that or maybe the old x's and o's running around.. honestly, that would do it for me...

I guess I am in the camp that would love to see it as a 3D sim, as long as the stats remain realistic. FPS has proven that have graphics and stats can be a great combination. The only reason why I like graphics is that it is much easier to understand how well my offensive and defensive players are doing with graphics than it could ever be done with text.

As it currently stands, I don't know immediately in the game if my defensive lineman is getting dominated by the offensive in a one and one situation or if he is being double teamed. I don't know if the opposing wide reciever is having success because of my cornerback getting burnt, my saftey didn't provide help or the cornerback covered a completely different person due to stacking to one side of the field.

I understand why some people hate graphics if all you do is play the role of GM and don't care for playcalling at all, but if you want to take the reigns as a coach, I don't quite get it.
X's and O's won't do it for me. I would love to see immediately that there is a 6'2' receiver going against my 5'7" cornerback. I would love to see if my reciever ran a bad route or just tripped up on a muddy field.

digamma · 10-17-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

If the AI is not good, it can ruin the game.

Anyone heard anything about the AI?

I'm probably going to wait and see. If the AI is not good, I will not buy it. But I'm going to wait for the reviews to see.

Tom E · 10-17-2005, 04:20 PM

Maybe Jim signed a deal with EA...

Francis_Cole · 10-17-2005, 04:50 PM

I can't wait.
But I hope beyond hope they can actually get the proper NFL rules this time, and not just invent rules as they feel like it as has been done in every single madden so far

bhlloy · 10-17-2005, 05:01 PM

It's pretty telling that nowhere in the release it mentions GM'ing or any aspect of signing, trading, drafting etc... I guess "building a team from the ground up" gives that impression but you'd have thought they'd have wanted to cater to the sports sim fan a bit more. Or am I reading too much into a first press release?

I can't imagine any way in a million years that this will ever be a game that I want to play. I'm envisaging some sort of Madden coach only game, with a slightly enhanced playbook editor, training camp and a sort of system like the latest NHL offerings whereby you spend points on different "areas" of your team. Maybe they can include the original Theme Park negotiations thrown in with the stretchy hands when you negotiate contract offers... come to think of it that would be pretty cool.

Francis_Cole · 10-17-2005, 05:06 PM

I would think its more likly to be a GM/Owner game rather than an actual OC/DC type of game

Marc Vaughan · 10-17-2005, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

Not at all - Cinemaware games were fantastic.

(and I didn't actually ever play TV Sports Football, but the dialogue line had me thinking of trying to woo the scientist's daughter when you meet here in the zeppelin in Rocket Ranger.

)

I LOVED TV Sports Football and I'm only a casual Football (American variety) fan ....

I think EA moving into this arena is great personally as it'll give more attention to the genre, especially if they're successful (ie. if they do well it'll give Jim, Arlie etc. a better chance of getting taken seriously by mainstream publishers if they want to head in that direction) ... main problem of course will be that EA have 'locked' the licence for the NFL down for at least a while.

Easy Mac · 10-17-2005, 05:45 PM

and you have nothing to worry about from their FIFA Manager either... though I have to say, they have a very slick game, but its a bear to move through the game.

JeeberD · 10-17-2005, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom E

Maybe Jim signed a deal with EA...

I was about to say that you must be new here, but after looking at your registration date I think you're probably just being facetious.

Solecismic · 10-17-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

I LOVED TV Sports Football and I'm only a casual Football (American variety) fan ....

I think EA moving into this arena is great personally as it'll give more attention to the genre, especially if they're successful (ie. if they do well it'll give Jim, Arlie etc. a better chance of getting taken seriously by mainstream publishers if they want to head in that direction) ... main problem of course will be that EA have 'locked' the licence for the NFL down for at least a while.

That's no problem. What they've done only makes it easier to display a Lanham disclaimer. If anything, their "exclusivity" makes life better for the competition.

Barkeep49 · 10-17-2005, 06:17 PM

Ok I tried a quick google search: What's a Lanham disclaimer?

Easy Mac · 10-17-2005, 06:21 PM

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht..._15_10_22.html

MTD · 10-17-2005, 06:29 PM

A previous poster requested images.

Blade6119 · 10-17-2005, 06:46 PM

the second one says make deion a slot reciever or keep him on offense only...lol

Mac Howard · 10-17-2005, 07:00 PM

Ummm! NFL Head Coach.

I released a gridiron "management" game in 1986 called Head Coach. Any lawyers on this board tell me how to make some money out of this?

FBPro · 10-17-2005, 07:01 PM

While I'm certainly not holding my breath on this one, I will likely give it a look if it ever makes it to the open market.

Zippo · 10-17-2005, 07:11 PM

I like what I am seeing so far, I would not be surprised if any one of these independent developers end up working with/for EA to develope these managerial games in the near future.

cthomer5000 · 10-17-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

They are just gonna repack FOF2002 with 3D glasses.

This got a chuckle out of me. Nice work.

Buccaneer · 10-17-2005, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

It's a console game, that will be ported for the PC. That's how they do.

I think the genre benefits from all additions, and perhaps there will be some joystick jockeys who find this intriguing enough to start them looking for a real management sim... but I rather doubt that's what this is going to be. This one will be on my "wait and see" list... but not even at the top.

govols · 10-17-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Zippo

I like what I am seeing so far, I would not be surprised if any one of these independent developers end up working with/for EA to develope these managerial games in the near future.

Maybe this is what Jim has been working on

Just kidding but hey it would be nice to combine EA's graphics with Jim sim engine.

Buccaneer · 10-17-2005, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by govols

Maybe this is what Jim has been working on

Just kidding but hey it would be nice to combine EA's graphics with Jim sim engine.

Lol. Do you want to tell him or I can?

Pumpy Tudors · 10-17-2005, 07:57 PM

I just hope the AI good

JeeberD · 10-17-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by govols

Maybe this is what Jim has been working on

Just kidding but hey it would be nice to combine EA's graphics with Jim sim engine.

Been there, done that...

govols · 10-17-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Been there, done that...

You never know EA's money can talk...... Even with past history

JeeberD · 10-17-2005, 08:06 PM

I don't want to talk for Jim, but it sounds like he was pretty disgusted with the way things happened there. I really doubt he would give them a second chance...

Passacaglia · 10-17-2005, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

the second one says make deion a slot reciever or keep him on offense only...lol

Nice...and the first one is just a stupid statue.

Antmeister · 10-17-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MTD

A previous poster requested images.

Although these look nice, they don't show me much. I want to see the playcalling screens, trading proposals, free agency screen. This looks like somebody created this in The Sims.

Solecismic · 10-17-2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I don't want to talk for Jim, but it sounds like he was pretty disgusted with the way things happened there. I really doubt he would give them a second chance...

I was pretty disgusted with Gigawatt, not EA. I'd give them a second chance, but no way would I work with Joe Stallings. People like that don't belong in the business.

yabanci · 10-18-2005, 12:38 AM

I will buy this game.......in 2008 when it's $9.99.

dubb93 · 10-18-2005, 12:59 AM

Is it me, or would this type of game be alot more appealing if it was a college game. Imagine having to set your offseason schedule and tour the different states to lock in the recruits, deal with the players during the season(we all know what kind of problems college kids can get into) and dealing with the media firestorm that comes with leading a major program. All this and the actual games.

Izulde · 10-18-2005, 04:41 AM

Game looks good... but Joe Stallings... ugh... that's going to make it a tough buy, as he's one person I think should be dropped naked in the Amazon where he can be assraped by an anaconda while a python squeezes his balls till they explode and piranhas leap out of the water to chew him to bits at the rate of five skin cells a second.

stevew · 10-18-2005, 04:50 AM

At least you will be able to rent this for console before you buy it. If the football game, is popular maybe they will make it in college, etc.

KeyserSoze · 10-18-2005, 05:04 AM

2 weeks of fun game, nice graphics. No deep. Just like TCM

RoastDuck · 10-18-2005, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac Howard

Ummm! NFL Head Coach.

I released a gridiron "management" game in 1986 called Head Coach. Any lawyers on this board tell me how to make some money out of this?

Also, the "First 3D Sports Strategy Game" claim is somewhat tenuous: hxxp://www.prorugbymanager.com/

Had many hours joy with Kim van Obendorf et al BTW Mac.

cuervo72 · 10-18-2005, 08:37 AM

To succeed at that game, it looks like you have to MAKE WINNING PLAYS!

(also, does that say "defence"??)

GrantDawg · 10-18-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Is it me, or would this type of game be alot more appealing if it was a college game. Imagine having to set your offseason schedule and tour the different states to lock in the recruits, deal with the players during the season(we all know what kind of problems college kids can get into) and dealing with the media firestorm that comes with leading a major program. All this and the actual games.

Dag-gummit, now how I am I going to explain my erection to my wife? "No, honey, I was not looking at porn."

10-17-2005, 02:16 PM	#56
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	I must say that this has actually looks interesting. This looks like something a number of people on the board was looking for. Since I was a long time player of FPS Football, I longed for the day when I could coach my team while seeing the action reveal itself through the use of graphics. Yet I am very pessimistic that it will give solid stats. In fact, I don't know if there will be a emphasis on tracking a player's career since it seems to focus more on the lifespan of the head coach. Plus I doubt there will be an option where you can be both coach and GM which is what I am looking for. If the reviews come out somewhat favorably, I will give it a try. Last edited by Antmeister : 10-17-2005 at 02:16 PM.

10-17-2005, 02:39 PM	#59
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	If the AI is not good, it can ruin the game. Anyone heard anything about the AI? __________________ My listening habits

10-17-2005, 03:25 PM	#61
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	EA just released a FIFA manager 06, so go look at that or the reviews and it will all but tell you what you will get in nfl coach __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

10-17-2005, 04:20 PM	#67
Tom E H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Livermore, CA	Maybe Jim signed a deal with EA... __________________ Be Polite Be Proffesional And Be Ready to Kill... I'll Never Forget What's Her Name... A Democrat is Somebody who Knows the Issues, a Republican is Somebody who Understands the Issues...

10-17-2005, 04:50 PM	#68
Francis_Cole SI Games Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: London, England	I can't wait. But I hope beyond hope they can actually get the proper NFL rules this time, and not just invent rules as they feel like it as has been done in every single madden so far __________________ "We are not the Chad Pennington Jets" - Chad Pennington

10-17-2005, 03:28 PM	#62
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I think that a sim as an NFL Head Coach would actually be interesting -- just calling plays and running the team, while dealing with your general manager. I doubt the AI would be any good, then.

10-17-2005, 05:01 PM	#69
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	It's pretty telling that nowhere in the release it mentions GM'ing or any aspect of signing, trading, drafting etc... I guess "building a team from the ground up" gives that impression but you'd have thought they'd have wanted to cater to the sports sim fan a bit more. Or am I reading too much into a first press release? I can't imagine any way in a million years that this will ever be a game that I want to play. I'm envisaging some sort of Madden coach only game, with a slightly enhanced playbook editor, training camp and a sort of system like the latest NHL offerings whereby you spend points on different "areas" of your team. Maybe they can include the original Theme Park negotiations thrown in with the stretchy hands when you negotiate contract offers... come to think of it that would be pretty cool.

10-17-2005, 05:06 PM	#70
Francis_Cole SI Games Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: London, England	I would think its more likly to be a GM/Owner game rather than an actual OC/DC type of game __________________ "We are not the Chad Pennington Jets" - Chad Pennington

10-17-2005, 05:45 PM	#72
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	and you have nothing to worry about from their FIFA Manager either... though I have to say, they have a very slick game, but its a bear to move through the game.

10-17-2005, 06:17 PM	#75
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok I tried a quick google search: What's a Lanham disclaimer?

10-17-2005, 06:21 PM	#76
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht..._15_10_22.html

10-17-2005, 06:29 PM	#77
MTD n00b Join Date: Mar 2004	A previous poster requested images.

10-17-2005, 06:46 PM	#78
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	the second one says make deion a slot reciever or keep him on offense only...lol __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

10-17-2005, 07:00 PM	#79
Mac Howard Sick as a Parrot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Surfers Paradise, Australia	Ummm! NFL Head Coach. I released a gridiron "management" game in 1986 called Head Coach. Any lawyers on this board tell me how to make some money out of this? __________________ Mac Howard - a Pom in Paradise

10-17-2005, 07:01 PM	#80
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	While I'm certainly not holding my breath on this one, I will likely give it a look if it ever makes it to the open market. __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

10-17-2005, 07:11 PM	#81
Zippo High School JV Join Date: Jan 2004	I like what I am seeing so far, I would not be surprised if any one of these independent developers end up working with/for EA to develope these managerial games in the near future.

10-17-2005, 07:57 PM	#86
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I just hope the AI good __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

10-17-2005, 08:06 PM	#89
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10-18-2005, 12:38 AM	#93
yabanci College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2003	I will buy this game.......in 2008 when it's $9.99.

10-18-2005, 04:41 AM	#95
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Game looks good... but Joe Stallings... ugh... that's going to make it a tough buy, as he's one person I think should be dropped naked in the Amazon where he can be assraped by an anaconda while a python squeezes his balls till they explode and piranhas leap out of the water to chew him to bits at the rate of five skin cells a second. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

10-18-2005, 04:50 AM	#96
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	At least you will be able to rent this for console before you buy it. If the football game, is popular maybe they will make it in college, etc.

10-18-2005, 05:04 AM	#97
KeyserSoze H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Spain	2 weeks of fun game, nice graphics. No deep. Just like TCM

10-18-2005, 08:37 AM	#99
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	To succeed at that game, it looks like you have to MAKE WINNING PLAYS! (also, does that say "defence"??) __________________ null Last edited by cuervo72 : 10-18-2005 at 08:37 AM.

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