2005 for Tom Brady - Page 2

Daimyo · 01-17-2006, 12:27 PM

DOLA, if Brady puts up numbers like he did this season and never again plays in a Super Bowl he'll still retire as one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game IMO. But there was a time when people thought the same about Kurt Warner. (FYI I like Brady's chances a lot better than I ever liked Warners)

Desnudo · 01-17-2006, 12:30 PM

Wasn't Warner a lot older when he came good?

Pumpy Tudors · 01-17-2006, 06:27 PM

To make a quick note about Brett Favre, his three MVP awards, his Super Bowl appearances, and his durability are all reasons that he's a legend. Regardless of how the past several seasons have ended for him and the Packers, nobody can argue with the things he did before that. I believe that the same will be true for Brady even if his teams never even reach another conference championship game.

Moving on, Kurt Warner was 28 when his Rams won the Super Bowl, but that was his first season starting in the NFL. Brady was 24 when he got his first Super Bowl ring. Four years isn't too much of a gap, but it's certainly worth noting.

Anyway, to compare Warner and Brady, I know a lot of people loved Warner, but I thought it was only because of his "underdog" story. I thought most people considered his success as part of the St. Louis offensive system under Vermeil and Martz. Somehow, I think Brady's success is more attributed to his abilities than to a system. That's not to say that Brady can win Super Bowls with just any system or just any teammates, but I think he could learn to play well for anybody. He has a great coach and great teammates, and that's why he's been to the Super Bowl three times, but he could turn most decent teams into Super Bowl contenders. The Giants may have thought that about Kurt Warner, too, but after his last two years in St. Louis, they should have known better. Brady seems capable of improving almost any team in the NFL simply by showing up. If most other people can agree with that, I think that makes him one of the best quarterbacks ever. No, this season didn't go as well for the Patriots as everyone expected, but it doesn't change the type of player that Brady has shown to be.

Does it?

ISiddiqui · 01-17-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I thought most people considered his success as part of the St. Louis offensive system under Vermeil and Martz.

Nah... plenty of people could tell you that before his injury troubles that Warner was one of the most accurate QBs they've ever seen.

And Farve does have the awards, the durability, and is a legend, but if he retired 2 years ago, he'd be more revered than he is now, IMO. I think a lot of his legend has been tarnished by the last few years, but it'll probably rebound when he retires and when he gets voted into the HoF.

Galaril · 01-17-2006, 07:28 PM

The most amazing thing about Brady is he is only 28 years old! He could win a couple more rings. I don't remember a quarterback being so successful so early in his career.

ISiddiqui · 01-17-2006, 07:40 PM

Bradshaw? He had won 2 rings when he was 27... and at 24 he was denied by the undefeated Miami Dolphins.

Galaril · 01-18-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Bradshaw? He had won 2 rings when he was 27... and at 24 he was denied by the undefeated Miami Dolphins.

So, Brady won his third last year when he was 27. That than would put him alittle ahead of Bradshaw not too bad of company.

01-17-2006, 06:27 PM	#53
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	To make a quick note about Brett Favre, his three MVP awards, his Super Bowl appearances, and his durability are all reasons that he's a legend. Regardless of how the past several seasons have ended for him and the Packers, nobody can argue with the things he did before that. I believe that the same will be true for Brady even if his teams never even reach another conference championship game. Moving on, Kurt Warner was 28 when his Rams won the Super Bowl, but that was his first season starting in the NFL. Brady was 24 when he got his first Super Bowl ring. Four years isn't too much of a gap, but it's certainly worth noting. Anyway, to compare Warner and Brady, I know a lot of people loved Warner, but I thought it was only because of his "underdog" story. I thought most people considered his success as part of the St. Louis offensive system under Vermeil and Martz. Somehow, I think Brady's success is more attributed to his abilities than to a system. That's not to say that Brady can win Super Bowls with just any system or just any teammates, but I think he could learn to play well for anybody. He has a great coach and great teammates, and that's why he's been to the Super Bowl three times, but he could turn most decent teams into Super Bowl contenders. The Giants may have thought that about Kurt Warner, too, but after his last two years in St. Louis, they should have known better. Brady seems capable of improving almost any team in the NFL simply by showing up. If most other people can agree with that, I think that makes him one of the best quarterbacks ever. No, this season didn't go as well for the Patriots as everyone expected, but it doesn't change the type of player that Brady has shown to be. Does it? __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

01-17-2006, 07:40 PM	#56
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Bradshaw? He had won 2 rings when he was 27... and at 24 he was denied by the undefeated Miami Dolphins. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-17-2006, 12:30 PM	#52
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Wasn't Warner a lot older when he came good?

01-17-2006, 07:28 PM	#55
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	The most amazing thing about Brady is he is only 28 years old! He could win a couple more rings. I don't remember a quarterback being so successful so early in his career.

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