Moderation Announcement - Page 2

JeeberD · 03-03-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

can one of the new mods give JB his edit button back???

Doubtful. Heck, I can't even figure out how to box someone yet.

Raiders Army · 03-03-2006, 12:46 PM

Interesting developments. Too bad no Solecismic news.

VPI97 · 03-03-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Doubtful. Heck, I can't even figure out how to box someone yet.

$5 says that Jeeber accidentally boxes himself before the day is done.

WSUCougar · 03-03-2006, 12:47 PM

Would that be considered moderation masturbation?

albionmoonlight · 03-03-2006, 12:49 PM

I would hope that most of the modding is done silently and behind the scenes. The more it gets out in the open, the more people will start to think that this board is a democracy (blessedly not true) or that "Mod X does not like me and he's the reason . . ."

The less we see behind the curtain--or are even aware that a curtain exists, the less likely we will have those melodramatic threads about modding decisions.

Good luck, gang.

Anthony · 03-03-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Hey man, I'm still gonna mod over at your board. As long as you'll still have me, that is.

no offense, but are you unemployed? just curious.

vtbub · 03-03-2006, 12:50 PM

Correct call here.

Franklinnoble · 03-03-2006, 12:51 PM

For the record... I applaud the decision, and I think it will improve things around here. I'm not narcissistic enough to presume my crummy little board had anything to do with it.

But I still think I have a solid point on the Jeebs thing.

Ben E Lou · 03-03-2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Doubtful. Heck, I can't even figure out how to box someone yet.

Shoot. I need to tell y'all how to do that. Thanks for the reminder.

KWhit · 03-03-2006, 12:52 PM

We'll see how this works, but initially I have my doubts. My fear is that because more people have the right to suspend someone, more suspensions/banning will take place. Maybe I'm wrong and this won't change FOFC a bit, but I hope it doesn't become a more restrictive place.

Ben E Lou · 03-03-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

But I still think I have a solid point on the Jeebs thing.

Wouldn't YOU want someone who posts in as many and varied threads as JeeberD to help keep an official watchful eye?

JonInMiddleGA · 03-03-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

FWIW, I agree with you.

Maybe we should form a commitee?

EagleFan · 03-03-2006, 12:54 PM

(suck up)
Jeeber, did I mention my recent conversion to Cowboyism?

(/suck up)

RendeR · 03-03-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Wouldn't YOU want someone who posts in as many and varied threads as JeeberD to help keep an official watchful eye?

Yes, but come on, a DALLAS fan? I just don't trust his judgement!

TroyF · 03-03-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

I sent a PM, but I can share, as well....

I just have a philosophical belief that committees deter action. I think it's a good idea to have more mods, but I believe in giving those mods full authority to make decisive action without needing to sign off with someone else before doing anything. If you've [SD] made good choices in deciding who to give rights to, there shouldn't be any need to have them explain their actions in regards to every decision they make...by virtue of being a mod, they should already have full confidence in themselves (and from you) that they are trusted in regards to how they'll handle things.

Let them do what they think is right and every few months review the actions they have taken, at that point swap them out with someone else, if need be. It just been my experience that if you have to have a consultation with someone else (or a group) before something is done, then very little gets done.

I don't see the committee in this case as being something where our hands will be tied. There are certain things we can do instantly. If I see a NSFW image, I can take care of that instantly.

Any other decision required one person approval to start with. I don't think that's unreasonable or something that will cause lockup.

Daimyo · 03-03-2006, 12:57 PM

I think it would be more efficient if any moderator could take any action on his own without needing any signoff, but there was a mechanism by which any other mod could call for a vote and that action could be overturned by enough votes of the other mods (with the number determined by the severity of the mod action taken). Of course you'd want it to all be handled privately so that the mods could present a unified front to the public, but I think you'd accomplish your stated goals more efficiently that way.

Anthony · 03-03-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

We'll see how this works, but initially I have my doubts. My fear is that because more people have the right to suspend someone, more suspensions/banning will take place. Maybe I'm wrong and this won't change FOFC a bit, but I hope it doesn't become a more restrictive place.

that too.

oh well, its been done. i doubt this will have a negative impact. most of this is just discussing the *possibilities* for what can go wrong. i'll chime in once i feel this isn't a good setup. i'm sure it will be beneficial for the community.

Coffee Warlord · 03-03-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

(suck up)
Jeeber, did I mention my recent conversion to Cowboyism?

(/suck up)

BOX HIM! BOX HIM!

Senator · 03-03-2006, 12:59 PM

I will not accept a banning from any of those individuals listed.

Ben E Lou · 03-03-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

that too.

oh well, its been done. i doubt this will have a negative impact. most of this is just discussing the *possibilities* for what can go wrong. i'll chime in once i feel this isn't a good setup. i'm sure it will be beneficial for the community.

Thanks for giving it a shot. Keep in mind, I'm still the HNIC, and reserve the right to say, "Well, that was a STUPID idea, Ben!"

Cuckoo · 03-03-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

"Mod X does not like me and he's the reason . . ."

Don't you think this is inevitable? I feel like I "know" many of these guys (as much as you can on a messageboard, after all), and my instinct tells me they're going to be good, even-handed guys. But even so, this can only expand the possibility of the personal opinion-motivated moderating complaint seen with SkyDog a couple of times.

I should point out that I'm not trying to be adversarial. In fact, I have high hopes this improves the situation. It's just that my gut tells me there are more possibilities for problems under this system.

Daimyo · 03-03-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuckoo

But even so, this can only expand the possibility of the personal opinion-motivated moderating complaint seen with SkyDog a couple of times.

You could view it as there being more people to make bad decisions or you could view it as lessoning the ability of any single mod to make a bad decision. Personally I see a lot of potential for the latter and hope it goes that way, but of course that is pretty much entirely up to SkyDog.

hoosiergoody · 03-03-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

can one of the new mods give JB his edit button back???

gstelmack · 03-03-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

$5 says that Jeeber accidentally boxes himself before the day is done.

Note to self: never take a drink of something while reading FOFC. Never take a drink of something while reading FOFC. Never take a drink of something while reading FOFC...

I almost ruined a perfectly good 21" monitor when I read this reply

NoMyths · 03-03-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Note to self: never take a drink of something while reading FOFC. Never take a drink of something while reading FOFC. Never take a drink of something while reading FOFC...

I almost ruined a perfectly good 21" monitor when I read this reply

What the hell did you take a drink of, hydrochloric acid?

st.cronin · 03-03-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMyths

What the hell did you take a drink of, hydrochloric acid?

I actually did drink some hydrochloric acid the other day.

Dutch · 03-03-2006, 01:16 PM

I like the idea because it spreads the workload around quite a bit. I don't like the idea because I think we have had it pretty good under Skydog (all in all) and now we are moving away from that in favor of something different.

On a scale of 1-10, Skydog as a moderator was about a 9. So the chances of this moderate by committee being as good as that are unlikely. In my opinion.

But good luck not screwing up a good thing.

st.cronin · 03-03-2006, 01:17 PM

dola

I guess, with that admission, I'll never be asked to be a mod.

Franklinnoble · 03-03-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Wouldn't YOU want someone who posts in as many and varied threads as JeeberD to help keep an official watchful eye?

Yes... that's EXACTLY why I made him a mod at the other board.

Before you made him a mod here. Just for the record.

Poli · 03-03-2006, 01:18 PM

St.cronin, have faith. Jeeber's a mod.

st.cronin · 03-03-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

St.cronin, have faith. Jeeber's a mod.

that's an excellent point

JeeberD · 03-03-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

St.cronin, have faith. Jeeber's a mod.

Banned!

Flasch186 · 03-03-2006, 01:35 PM

are Pol threads the same as in the past or do I have to start talking righty?

Poli · 03-03-2006, 01:36 PM

I can't wait to make my spoof IDs.

JeeberA
JeeberB
JeeberC
JeeberDA
JeeberD1
JeeberD.
JeeberD!

JonInMiddleGA · 03-03-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

are Pol threads the same as in the past or do I have to start talking righty?

Maybe he shoulda just made me & you the mods, with the stipulation that we have to both agree on any action taken

Dutch · 03-03-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Maybe he shoulda just made me & you the mods, with the stipulation that we have to both agree on any action taken

Anarchy!

Antmeister · 03-03-2006, 01:44 PM

Okay, I have to give SkyDog props. While I am not sure how the new format will work, I do agree that a change was needed. If this doesn't work out, I hope he tries to come up with a solution that will be good for the community as a whole. This is a good step.

EagleFan · 03-03-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Banned!

Once you figure it out, that is....

TroyF · 03-03-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister71

Okay, I have to give SkyDog props. While I am not sure how the new format will work, I do agree that a change was needed. If this doesn't work out, I hope he tries to come up with a solution that will be good for the community as a whole. This is a good step.

If it doesn't work out, Flere can make a diagram and you can make a song parody. It'll be worth some humor anyway.

Unless Jeeber bans you or flere first.

Godzilla Blitz · 03-03-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister71

Okay, I have to give SkyDog props. While I am not sure how the new format will work, I do agree that a change was needed. If this doesn't work out, I hope he tries to come up with a solution that will be good for the community as a whole. This is a good step.

I agree strongly with this.

One of the reasons that I have not posted much of late was my difficulty in understanding and accepting the legitimacy of some of the bannings. I simply felt that many of them seemed unfair, and they really bothered me. The subsequent explanations seemed to make me feel even worse about the situation. Somehow I felt that posting at FOFC condoned the moderation decisions, and so I cut back. After the latest banning, I was pretty much set to not post at all from now on.

This changes things completely, however.

I think a move to a situation with more moderators is both necessary and good. The current proposal may need tweaking as things move on, but it is definitely a step in the right direction.

Good move, SkyDog. Very honorable.

SackAttack · 03-03-2006, 02:01 PM

Works for me.

path12 · 03-03-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I would hope that most of the modding is done silently and behind the scenes. The more it gets out in the open, the more people will start to think that this board is a democracy (blessedly not true) or that "Mod X does not like me and he's the reason . . ."

The less we see behind the curtain--or are even aware that a curtain exists, the less likely we will have those melodramatic threads about modding decisions.

Good luck, gang.

I couldn't agree more with this comment and think it is extremely important for ultimate success.

I support the change. Not that it matters.

CamEdwards · 03-03-2006, 02:10 PM

I've got mixed feelings about this, but I can't wait to see Blade box SkyDog the next time he uses the word "faggoty".

flere-imsaho · 03-03-2006, 02:20 PM

st.cronin · 03-03-2006, 02:21 PM

WSUCougar · 03-03-2006, 02:22 PM

st.cronin · 03-03-2006, 02:22 PM

Quicksand needs that as his avatar, stat.

EagleFan · 03-03-2006, 02:22 PM

gstelmack · 03-03-2006, 02:23 PM

And flere is back! Nice job!

Crapshoot · 03-03-2006, 02:24 PM

Seriously,
make Flere the moderator...

03-03-2006, 12:47 PM	#54
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Would that be considered moderation masturbation? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

03-03-2006, 12:50 PM	#57
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	Correct call here. __________________

03-03-2006, 12:59 PM	#69
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	I will not accept a banning from any of those individuals listed. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

03-03-2006, 01:17 PM	#78
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	dola I guess, with that admission, I'll never be asked to be a mod. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

03-03-2006, 01:18 PM	#80
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	St.cronin, have faith. Jeeber's a mod. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum. Last edited by Poli : 03-03-2006 at 01:18 PM.

03-03-2006, 12:46 PM	#52
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Interesting developments. Too bad no Solecismic news.

03-03-2006, 12:49 PM	#55
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I would hope that most of the modding is done silently and behind the scenes. The more it gets out in the open, the more people will start to think that this board is a democracy (blessedly not true) or that "Mod X does not like me and he's the reason . . ." The less we see behind the curtain--or are even aware that a curtain exists, the less likely we will have those melodramatic threads about modding decisions. Good luck, gang.

03-03-2006, 12:51 PM	#58
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	For the record... I applaud the decision, and I think it will improve things around here. I'm not narcissistic enough to presume my crummy little board had anything to do with it. But I still think I have a solid point on the Jeebs thing.

03-03-2006, 12:52 PM	#60
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	We'll see how this works, but initially I have my doubts. My fear is that because more people have the right to suspend someone, more suspensions/banning will take place. Maybe I'm wrong and this won't change FOFC a bit, but I hope it doesn't become a more restrictive place.

03-03-2006, 12:54 PM	#63
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	(suck up) Jeeber, did I mention my recent conversion to Cowboyism? (/suck up)

03-03-2006, 12:57 PM	#66
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	I think it would be more efficient if any moderator could take any action on his own without needing any signoff, but there was a mechanism by which any other mod could call for a vote and that action could be overturned by enough votes of the other mods (with the number determined by the severity of the mod action taken). Of course you'd want it to all be handled privately so that the mods could present a unified front to the public, but I think you'd accomplish your stated goals more efficiently that way.

03-03-2006, 01:16 PM	#77
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I like the idea because it spreads the workload around quite a bit. I don't like the idea because I think we have had it pretty good under Skydog (all in all) and now we are moving away from that in favor of something different. On a scale of 1-10, Skydog as a moderator was about a 9. So the chances of this moderate by committee being as good as that are unlikely. In my opinion. But good luck not screwing up a good thing.

03-03-2006, 01:35 PM	#83
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	are Pol threads the same as in the past or do I have to start talking righty? __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

03-03-2006, 01:36 PM	#84
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I can't wait to make my spoof IDs. JeeberA JeeberB JeeberC JeeberDA JeeberD1 JeeberD. JeeberD! __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-03-2006, 01:44 PM	#87
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	Okay, I have to give SkyDog props. While I am not sure how the new format will work, I do agree that a change was needed. If this doesn't work out, I hope he tries to come up with a solution that will be good for the community as a whole. This is a good step. __________________ "I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me" - Schmidty "Box me once, shame on Skydog. Box me twice. Shame on me. Box me 3 times, just fucking ban my ass...." - stevew

03-03-2006, 02:01 PM	#91
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Works for me.

03-03-2006, 02:10 PM	#93
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	I've got mixed feelings about this, but I can't wait to see Blade box SkyDog the next time he uses the word "faggoty". __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

03-03-2006, 02:20 PM	#94
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland

03-03-2006, 02:21 PM	#95
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	ROFL __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

03-03-2006, 02:22 PM	#96
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Gold __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

03-03-2006, 02:22 PM	#98
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	rofl

03-03-2006, 02:23 PM	#99
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	And flere is back! Nice job! __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

03-03-2006, 02:24 PM	#100
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Seriously, make Flere the moderator...

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