Spider-Man Comic (spoiler)

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by SFL Cat

Damn stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Spiderman has never recovered from the clone disaster.

Yeah, I look at the comics from the 80's and early 90's, and then I see the overpriced crap they're shoveling out now, and it just makes me sad.

I think the whole thing started when they decided to kill Superman. It was like an unwritten rule was broken when that happened, and DC and Marvel have been screwing it up ever since.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by SFL Cat

Spiderman has never recovered from the clone disaster.

The what?

[WVUFAN]

I think today's comics are better written than anything from the 80's and 90's. There's no comparison.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

I think today's comics are better written than anything from the 80's and 90's. There's no comparison.

Sorry... nothing was better than the Claremont X-Men era, in my opinion.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

Out of curiosity, why was his edit button taken away?

Because he was editing/deleting an enormous amount of threads over the course of a long period of time. He'd start a thread, ask a question, someone would be like "your dumb" and then JB would delete the thread. And it would happen an awful lot where he would delete threads when he'd ask the same question he previously asked. So maybe the whole deal was harsh, but it wasn't like it was unwarranted.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by moriarty

The what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Spider

read in horror

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

I think today's comics are better written than anything from the 80's and 90's. There's no comparison.

That's a pretty bold statement, indeed.

Like Franklin noted, Claremont's run on X-Men was fantastic. Great stuff there.

I think it's tough to be so categorical with these types of statements. There was good stuff in the '80s and '90s. Just off the top of my head there's: Claremont's X-Men, The Watchmen, Osterman's run on Suicide Squad, Preacher, Perez's Wonder Woman, Sin City, Dark Knight Returns, Transmetropolitan, Hellblazer, etc, etc, etc.

I have read some great stuff in "today's" comics as well. I guess "today's" comics mean things in the '00s. Some very good stuff. I like the "Raising Stars" stuff (at least the first book), that Straznsky (I know that's not how it's spelled) did some great work in "Supreme Power" too. I hear that "The Ultimates" are quite good, though I have yet to invest in the series. I did read "The House of M" and found it "ok" at best. I thought "Identity Crisis" was pretty crappy, though I enjoyed "Villians United". I like "Walking Dead" quite a bit.

To say there is "no comparison" between the stuff I listed above in the '80s and '90s and what comes out today is quite bold indeed. Those runs in those series and those graphic novels are considered some of the best stuff in the genre regardless of era.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Spider

read in horror

Thanks. I had stopped reading comic books before this storyline came around. A little piece of me just died.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Thanks. I had stopped reading comic books before this storyline came around. A little piece of me just died.

Bah, you know that's who you named your daughter after...

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Bah, you know that's who you named your daughter after...

It's "Scarlett." And my wife would break my neck if I suggested we name a kid after a comic book character.

She only tolerates my geekiness so much.

By the way... ain't she cute?

[MikeVic]

I always thought Logan would be a good name for a baby boy.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

I always thought Logan would be a good name for a baby boy.

But not so much when the kid grows up?

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

But not so much when the kid grows up?

lol. I should watch my wording.

Logan for an adult is good too.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

That's a pretty bold statement, indeed.

Like Franklin noted, Claremont's run on X-Men was fantastic. Great stuff there.

I think it's tough to be so categorical with these types of statements. There was good stuff in the '80s and '90s. Just off the top of my head there's: Claremont's X-Men, The Watchmen, Osterman's run on Suicide Squad, Preacher, Perez's Wonder Woman, Sin City, Dark Knight Returns, Transmetropolitan, Hellblazer, etc, etc, etc.

I have read some great stuff in "today's" comics as well. I guess "today's" comics mean things in the '00s. Some very good stuff. I like the "Raising Stars" stuff (at least the first book), that Straznsky (I know that's not how it's spelled) did some great work in "Supreme Power" too. I hear that "The Ultimates" are quite good, though I have yet to invest in the series. I did read "The House of M" and found it "ok" at best. I thought "Identity Crisis" was pretty crappy, though I enjoyed "Villians United". I like "Walking Dead" quite a bit.

To say there is "no comparison" between the stuff I listed above in the '80s and '90s and what comes out today is quite bold indeed. Those runs in those series and those graphic novels are considered some of the best stuff in the genre regardless of era.

No, you have some good points. I'm certainly not saying that there wasn't good stuff done in the '80, and you mentioned some of them right there, but looking at the overall picture of the standard of writing in the '80's and '90, the selling point at that point was the art much more than the writing. The artists could pick any writer, since a good bit of the stuff, especially during the 90's, were pinups with a loose story stringing them together.

Nowadays in comics, the writers sells the comics, and it shows. Overall, the average quality of the books written in todays comics are much more mature and more plot driven than anything written before. This is why screenwriters are being lured into comics now because it's an opportunity to write a compelling movie-like story without the boundaries of a budget. Civil War, which (IMO) is one of the best written comics in several years, would NEVER have been done in the 80's, not because they would be afraid to do it, but because the writers in that era, including Claremont, wouldn't be capable of it.

But then again, I think Alan Moore's a hack, so take my opinion for what you will. :-)

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Spider

read in horror

Oh, my. Whomever came up with the idea of cloning and alternate universes in these books needs to die a slow death. Can't believe kids (or adults for that matter) buy stuff with this type of writing.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by moriarty

Oh, my. Whomever came up with the idea of cloning and alternate universes in these books needs to die a slow death. Can't believe kids (or adults for that matter) buy stuff with this type of writing.

I think (not sure, since I didn't read comics at that time) people were told this story would only last a short time, like House of M did recently... and then it kept on getting longer, covering more comics in the process.

I may be the only one, but once I start buying a story and get more than half-way in, I like to finish it, hoping it was worthwhile. I hate the other alternative of stopping to read, and then finding out it was the best story ever. So maybe people were thinking along those same lines as well?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by moriarty

Oh, my. Whomever came up with the idea of cloning and alternate universes in these books needs to die a slow death. Can't believe kids (or adults for that matter) buy stuff with this type of writing.

The only comic book I read was Transformers, but I thought it was cool when they cloned Optimus Prime..

[Neon_Chaos]

Nothing like reviving a dead thread.

I just picked up Civil War.

Very good read. Aside from the a-little-too-cheesy ending, it was great.

[MikeVic]

Oh that jb.

[Passacaglia]

Bye-bye threadkill.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Nothing like reviving a dead thread.

I just picked up Civil War.

Very good read. Aside from the a-little-too-cheesy ending, it was great.

The real ending to Civil War happened in Captain America #25. That was supposed to be the ending, but Marvel decided to put it there to boost sales of Cap.

I noticed Honolulu_Blue mentioned Ostrander's run on Suicide Squad. Just to let you know, he's writing the upcoming mini by the same name.