Terrell Owens...Attempted Suicide??? - Page 2

Anthony · 09-27-2006, 09:40 AM

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a couple of posts later...

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Yup.

Isn't there an old saying that goes something like, "People who try to kill themself with pills are only doing it for attention...there are much more efficient ways to end one's life"?

girls mostly are the ones who try to kill themselves w/ pills.

just reading between the lines. you heard it here first. i don't care if he's gay or assexual or whatever, he's entertaining.

wade moore · 09-27-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

overdramatic teens in the midwest cry for help/attention. they do that by going to school with firearms and harming themselves and other children. they do that by mutilating themselves. being destructive. superstar athletes, with access to the finest healthcare in life and surrounded by tons of top of the line medical staffs plus people whose job is only to ensure all their needs are taken cared of do not cry out for help.

You are very naive in the way that the human mind works.

cartman · 09-27-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Isn't there an old saying that goes something like, "People who try to kill themself with pills are only doing it for attention...there are much more efficient ways to end one's life"?

Yep, especially when, according to the police report from TSG (hxxp://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0927061owens1.html) states that one of the officers that arrived said he saw TO put 2 more pills into his mouth after he arrived. If you were gonna take the pills with the intention of taking your own life, you'd take them all at once in a place where no one could find you, not save a couple to take in front of the police for dramatic effect.

wade moore · 09-27-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

girls mostly are the ones who try to kill themselves w/ pills.

Seriously, learn what you're talking about before you spew crap and try to "call people out" for what they say when they have background knowledge.

RedKingGold · 09-27-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

But a rational person would likely put self-perservation over the need for attention.

A RATIONAL person put 99.9% of all things in life behind self preservation. The person who attempts/commits suicide is not rational in anyway. It doesn't mean this is a publicity stunt, but to try to discount things because you can't see how a rational person would do that is starting from a faulty premice.

The idea of "likely would put" was meant as a hint of sarcasm. The point of the statement was to prove that I think that TO is not a rational person.

JeeberD · 09-27-2006, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Yep, especially when, according to the police report from TSG (hxxp://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0927061owens1.html) states that one of the officers that arrived said he saw TO put 2 more pills into his mouth after he arrived. If you were gonna take the pills with the intention of taking your own life, you'd take them all at once in a place where no one could find you, not save a couple to take in front of the police for dramatic effect.

Exactly what I was going to point out...who the fuck tries to kill themself by taking pills in front of people?

What a fucking drama queen...

Joe Canadian · 09-27-2006, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Yup.

Isn't there an old saying that goes something like, "People who try to kill themself with pills are only doing it for attention...there are much more efficient ways to end one's life"?

I'm not going to get into a debate on this and this is nothing personal towards you... but when people say this sort of thing about people who attempt suicide, they show a lack of understanding of what severe depression can do to someone. If this was a cry for help and not a legitimate suicide attempt... then there is clearly something wrong with Owens, and one can only hope that those around him help him resolve his problems and seek medical attention.

I'm not condoning nor am I supporting what Owens apparently did, I'm just saying that saying he's an idiot, IMO, is underestimating the power depresion can hold over someone.

JeeberD · 09-27-2006, 09:45 AM

Dola-

Damn...TSG works FAST!

st.cronin · 09-27-2006, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

I'm not going to get into a debate on this and this is nothing personal towards you... but when people say this sort of thing about people who attempt suicide, they show a lack of understanding of what severe depression can do to someone. If this was a cry for help and not a legitimate suicide attempt... then there is clearly something wrong with Owens, and one can only hope that those around him help him resolve his problems and seek medical attention.

I'm not condoning nor am I supporting what Owens apparently did, I'm just saying that saying he's an idiot, IMO, is underestimating the power depresion can hold over someone.

The bolded part has been obvious for a very long time.

scooper · 09-27-2006, 10:02 AM

Sometimes, people who take pills as a suicide attempt ARE doing it for attention. But sometimes those people actually die. That's quite a risk to take for some attention. It's certainly far above and beyond dancing on a star.

This is much deeper and darker than "look at me."

Oilers9911 · 09-27-2006, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Exactly what I was going to point out...who the fuck tries to kill themself by taking pills in front of people?

What a fucking drama queen...

What an incredibly simplistic view. If someone is going to actually go to these lengths do you really think this is just being a drama queen? There has to be something wrong with the guy to even try this at all. If he DID take an overdose, even if he knew he was going to be found, that is still putting your life at risk. There is more to this than drama queen antics. Until we know more have a fucking heart and give the benefit of the doubt.

Coop · 09-27-2006, 10:42 AM

*insert Seinfeld pic*

What's the deal with failed suicide attempts? You're telling me these people dont have any tall buildings to jump off.

anyway, it's going to be fun listening to espn talk about these for weeks and weeks to come.

miami_fan · 09-27-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Oilers9911

What an incredibly simplistic view. If someone is going to actually go to these lengths do you really think this is just being a drama queen? There has to be something wrong with the guy to even try this at all. If he DID take an overdose, even if he knew he was going to be found, that is still putting your life at risk. There is more to this than drama queen antics. Until we know more have a fucking heart and give the benefit of the doubt.

Let's be real here. This is TO we are talking about. On the list of the most hated people in sports, TO ranks just below Barry Bonds. Right or wrong, TO will not get the benefit of the doubt, nor will he get any sympathy. He has cause way too much emotional distress to too many people in the general public.

cuervo72 · 09-27-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

personally, for the last several years i've thought TO has been an in the closet homosexual. i obviously don't have any concrete proof, but just in reading between the lines. not to say he tried to commit suicide because he's gay, but sharing my opinion on him to provide a look at some of the demons he might be facing.

Jump on HA all you want for how he expresses his opinions, but I'd be lying if I were to say this possibility hadn't crossed my mind.

Toddzilla · 09-27-2006, 10:53 AM

I think we can all agree that at the very least TO will hopefully be suspended for violating the league's substance abuse policy.

st.cronin · 09-27-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

I think we can all agree that at the very least TO will hopefully be suspended for violating the league's substance abuse policy.

I would be shocked if he ever played football again.

wade moore · 09-27-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I would be shocked if he ever played football again.

What in the world makes you make that assertion?

wade moore · 09-27-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

What in the world makes you make that assertion?

If I missed sarcasm, sorry, it's the interweb...

RedKingGold · 09-27-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

Jump on HA all you want.

No thanks. His sexiness is too much for me.

JeeberD · 09-27-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Oilers9911

What an incredibly simplistic view. If someone is going to actually go to these lengths do you really think this is just being a drama queen? There has to be something wrong with the guy to even try this at all. If he DID take an overdose, even if he knew he was going to be found, that is still putting your life at risk. There is more to this than drama queen antics. Until we know more have a fucking heart and give the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not saying that TO isn't fucked in the head (that much is very obvious), I'm just trying to say that I don't think he was really trying to kill himself.

st.cronin · 09-27-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

What in the world makes you make that assertion?

If you had an NFL team, would you sign him? If you were a coach, would you want him around?

wade moore · 09-27-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

If you had an NFL team, would you sign him? If you were a coach, would you want him around?

Screw all of that, I have no doubt he plays for the COWBOYS again...

This incident is VERY different than his previous offenses. This is not the kind of offense that gets you removed or blackballed from a team. This is the kind of offense that gets you a standing ovation when you return, even if you were a bad guy.

Abe Sargent · 09-27-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I don't think you were out of line.

EF27 hopefully will jump in here, but my common understanding from the various stuff I learned in college, etc. is that suicides that were more "cry for help" than "trying to kill myself" are definately common. Maybe not the majority, but definately common. I find it strange personally that anyone would claim that it isn't the case.

Maybe he didn't do it literally as a "publicity stunt", but as a cry for attention I think is very plausible.

As someone who works with numerous college age suicide attempts, this is, in fact, the overwhelming majority of suicide attempts, at least at college age.

st.cronin · 09-27-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Screw all of that, I have no doubt he plays for the COWBOYS again...

This incident is VERY different than his previous offenses. This is not the kind of offense that gets you removed or blackballed from a team. This is the kind of offense that gets you a standing ovation when you return, even if you were a bad guy.

Well, yes, but the reason it gets a standing ovation is because it is unlikely that you DO return.

Draft Dodger · 09-27-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

You are very naive in the way that the human mind works.

you didn't know this before today?

JeeberD · 09-27-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

This is the kind of offense that gets you a standing ovation when you return, even if you were a bad guy.

I sure as hell hope not. Maybe if he had been in some sort of on or off the field accident. But trying to take your own life? Not ovation worthy...

Toddzilla · 09-27-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I'm not saying that TO isn't fucked in the head (that much is very obvious), I'm just trying to say that I don't think he was really trying to kill himself.

Agree 100%. He could find a tall building in Dallas? A gun? Someone with a gun? His condo doesn't have a garage? If TO wanted to be dead, he'd be dead...

...and when he wants to be the lead story, he's the lead story.

wade moore · 09-27-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I sure as hell hope not. Maybe if he had been in some sort of on or off the field accident. But trying to take your own life? Not ovation worthy...

Wow.

Few things that people say on message boards has had me change my opinion about someone as much as this post here.

Ben E Lou · 09-27-2006, 11:11 AM

Yes, a suicide attempt is very often a cry for help/attention.

I'm fairly certain that HA is correct on his "girl" comment. I haven't seen a study lately, but I recall reading several that women are far more likely to make a "non-violent" suicide attempt, such as taking pills.

JeeberD · 09-27-2006, 11:13 AM

Sorry, wade, but that's how I feel. Of course, it may be because I already have an intense hatred for TO. If it had been Emmitt Smith, probably my favorite Cowboy ever, I might not feel this way. I can't be sure because it never happened...

st.cronin · 09-27-2006, 11:14 AM

Just to clarify, if it were somebody other than TO, I would think it far more likely that they could come back. I just think that in the case of TO, there are very few people in the NFL that would be interested in giving him another chance. He's already burned a lot of bridges.

bosshogg23 · 09-27-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

I think we can all agree that at the very least TO will hopefully be suspended for violating the league's substance abuse policy.

I dont think he can be suspended. Two infractions result in a 4 game suspension. Unless he has had a previous violation we(me) are not aware of.

wade moore · 09-27-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Sorry, wade, but that's how I feel. Of course, it may be because I already have an intense hatred for TO. If it had been Emmitt Smith, probably my favorite Cowboy ever, I might not feel this way. I can't be sure because it never happened...

To have no sympathy for a person who is so emotionally distraught that they would try to take their own life is completely foreign to me.

wade moore · 09-27-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Just to clarify, if it were somebody other than TO, I would think it far more likely that they could come back. I just think that in the case of TO, there are very few people in the NFL that would be interested in giving him another chance. He's already burned a lot of bridges.

I have to totally disagree here. I think TO's chances of playing are no less than they would have been on Monday morning. In fact, possibly greater... because if this results in treatment for whatever his issue is, it could make people more likely to give him a shot.

wade moore · 09-27-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Yes, a suicide attempt is very often a cry for help/attention.

I'm fairly certain that HA is correct on his "girl" comment. I haven't seen a study lately, but I recall reading several that women are far more likely to make a "non-violent" suicide attempt, such as taking pills.

That may be true, but to brush off the idea of TO doing this because "he's not a girl' or that somehow him doing this affirms some sort of homosexual tendencies is just silly...

JeeberD · 09-27-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

To have no sympathy for a person who is so emotionally distraught that they would try to take their own life is completely foreign to me.

But like I've said several times, I don't think he was actually trying to kill himself.

John Galt · 09-27-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

To have no sympathy for a person who is so emotionally distraught that they would try to take their own life is completely foreign to me.

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st.cronin · 09-27-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I have to totally disagree here. I think TO's chances of playing are no less than they would have been on Monday morning. In fact, possibly greater... because if this results in treatment for whatever his issue is, it could make people more likely to give him a shot.

*shrug* You might be right. I hope he gets better, and it would be a good story if he came back. His Super Bowl performance remains one of the greatest individual performances I've ever seen. I have a great deal of sympathy for him.

Oilers9911 · 09-27-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I'm not saying that TO isn't fucked in the head (that much is very obvious), I'm just trying to say that I don't think he was really trying to kill himself.

Ok well we can agree on that.

Ben E Lou · 09-27-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

girls mostly are the ones who try to kill themselves w/ pills.

just reading between the lines. you heard it here first. i don't care if he's gay or assexual or whatever, he's entertaining.

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Seriously, learn what you're talking about before you spew crap and try to "call people out" for what they say when they have background knowledge.

I must have misinterpreted your comment to HA, then. I thought you meant he was misinformed regarding his comments about girls trying to kill themselves with pills.

panerd · 09-27-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

But like I've said several times, I don't think he was actually trying to kill himself.

I agree with you 100% and don't understand all the grief you are getting. Suicide is such a cowardly choice that I can't feel bad for people driven to do it.

And three points I need to clarify...

1. I am not religous at all, so this is from a completly non-religious standpoint.

2. Don't give me the I should feel bad for the mentally unstable. You guys will jump all over pedophiles, murderers, etc and I am pretty sure they are mentally unstable also. (and yes successful suicide attempts do effect other people, not just the person trying to kill themselves)

3. T.O. is an attention whore. Why have we lost this in this discussion.

wade moore · 09-27-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

I must have misinterpreted your comment to HA, then. I thought you meant he was misinformed regarding his comments about girls trying to kill themselves with pills.

At the time, i probably was. I think he is right statistically, but I knew he wasn't coming with any factual basis behind his claim just because I know HA.

It was more anger at his general line of statements that were often inaccurate and mostly stupid.

This one statement is probably accurate, but I dont' think because he researched it.

wade moore · 09-27-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

But like I've said several times, I don't think he was actually trying to kill himself.

If you do what he did, regardless of whatyou hope to happen, you do it knowing there is definately a relatively good chance that you could die.

Schmidty · 09-27-2006, 11:31 AM

A suicide attempt isn't a joke, even if people think it might just be a cry for help. People that downplay this kind of stuff are either heartless or have never dealt with mental illness in their own life. Some of you have really disappointed me.

watravaler · 09-27-2006, 11:32 AM

Hopefully he finds the help he needs, and the moral hand-wringers shut the %#$& up.

Toddzilla · 09-27-2006, 11:33 AM

Wow - sports talk radio is all over the rumors that TO was on the "down-low".

st.cronin · 09-27-2006, 11:33 AM

Not to get all holy roller on anybody, but there is a saying: There but for the grace of God go I. Meaning, someday I will need the compassion that I show this person.

Schmidty · 09-27-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd

Suicide is such a cowardly choice that I can't feel bad for people driven to do it.

Such a blanket statement is unintelligent. While some suicides may be cowardly (murderers, cheaters, etc.), a vast majority of them are driven by a severe mental illness that compells them to end their life.

wade moore · 09-27-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Wow - sports talk radio is all over the rumors that TO was on the "down-low".

Commentators or callers?

Ben E Lou · 09-27-2006, 11:36 AM

ESPN is reporting that he was released a few minutes ago, and gave the thumbs-up as he was put into the car.

09-27-2006, 09:45 AM	#58
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Dola- Damn...TSG works FAST! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

09-27-2006, 10:42 AM	#62
Coop High School JV Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NJ	insert Seinfeld pic What's the deal with failed suicide attempts? You're telling me these people dont have any tall buildings to jump off. anyway, it's going to be fun listening to espn talk about these for weeks and weeks to come. __________________ eNFL-Carolina Panthers Xbox Live- Coop421

09-27-2006, 11:11 AM	#79
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Yes, a suicide attempt is very often a cry for help/attention. I'm fairly certain that HA is correct on his "girl" comment. I haven't seen a study lately, but I recall reading several that women are far more likely to make a "non-violent" suicide attempt, such as taking pills. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

09-27-2006, 11:13 AM	#80
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Sorry, wade, but that's how I feel. Of course, it may be because I already have an intense hatred for TO. If it had been Emmitt Smith, probably my favorite Cowboy ever, I might not feel this way. I can't be sure because it never happened... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

09-27-2006, 11:14 AM	#81
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Just to clarify, if it were somebody other than TO, I would think it far more likely that they could come back. I just think that in the case of TO, there are very few people in the NFL that would be interested in giving him another chance. He's already burned a lot of bridges. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

09-27-2006, 10:02 AM	#60
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	Sometimes, people who take pills as a suicide attempt ARE doing it for attention. But sometimes those people actually die. That's quite a risk to take for some attention. It's certainly far above and beyond dancing on a star. This is much deeper and darker than "look at me."

09-27-2006, 10:53 AM	#65
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	I think we can all agree that at the very least TO will hopefully be suspended for violating the league's substance abuse policy.

09-27-2006, 11:31 AM	#94
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	A suicide attempt isn't a joke, even if people think it might just be a cry for help. People that downplay this kind of stuff are either heartless or have never dealt with mental illness in their own life. Some of you have really disappointed me.

09-27-2006, 11:32 AM	#95
watravaler High School JV Join Date: Jun 2005	Hopefully he finds the help he needs, and the moral hand-wringers shut the %#$& up. Last edited by watravaler : 09-27-2006 at 11:33 AM.

09-27-2006, 11:33 AM	#96
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	Wow - sports talk radio is all over the rumors that TO was on the "down-low".

09-27-2006, 11:36 AM	#100
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	ESPN is reporting that he was released a few minutes ago, and gave the thumbs-up as he was put into the car. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

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