Pregnant Mother Smoking

[Shkspr]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

I might not listen to them, but (in my opinion), there's nothing wrong with folks trying to appeal to someone's sense of shame (or lack thereof) to influence their behavior.

Have you ever thought about going into talk radio?

[dime]

should have offered her another pack...she's smoking for two now.

[stevew]

I think she just wants her child to have a low birth weight so she can keep it in baby clothes longer. Also it will be less mass to pass through her vagina. That's my idea, anyways.

[B & B]

Originally Posted by stevew

I think she just wants her child to have a low birth weight so she can keep it in baby clothes longer. Also it will be less mass to pass through her vagina. That's my idea, anyways.

Soooo wrong.










Yet so right.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by stevew

Also it will be less mass to pass through her vagina.

I'm guessing you've used this line before.

[Crim]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

I'm guessing you've used this line before.

He shoots he scores!

[14ers]

I am with you all in think this is some form of child abuse here; I love this article from 50 years ago? Smaller babies is a good thing during pregnancy.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...835515,00.html

Smoking & Pregnancy

Friday, May. 13, 1966

Doctors are so accustomed to hearing about bad effects of smoking that the report by four U.S. Navy physicians came as something of a shock.
After a study of 48,505 pregnant wives, half of whom were smokers, Lieut. Commander Paul B. Underwood and his colleagues told the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, their collected data provide no proof that smoking by a mother harms her unborn child, and in one way it appears to help.

It is true enough, said Dr. Underwood, that mothers' smoking at any stage of pregnancy resulted in the birth of smaller-than-average babies. But these had a lower death rate than that of other premature children, and within a year they caught up with the heavier babies of nonsmoking mothers.

What the Navy researchers found still more surprising was that the 10-to-30-cigarettes-a-day women had fewer incidents of the mysterious condition called "the toxemia of pregnancy." Early symptoms of this trouble are usually rising blood pressure, rapid weight gain and headache, followed by urinary difficulties and abdominal pain. This stage is "pre-eclampsia." The later stage of true eclampsia involves convulsions and threatens the lives of mother and child. Both the moderate and severe forms were less common among smoking than among nonsmoking mothers. Why? The Navy doctors went back to their delivery rooms without hazarding a guess, but hopeful of finding an answer.

"But these had a lower death rate than that of other premature children" Exactly why are they comparing the Smoking babies with ONLY the premature children? It looks good when you first read it, but once you realise that they are selectively comparing only the non-healthy children to the Smoking babies you see the lie.

Why not come out and say in this study they found that the children from smokers were born significantly more healthy than the DEAD babies.

[Richard Weed]

If her friends and family haven't gotten her to quit, why would a complete stranger get her to quit?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Synovia

Well, considering that shes directly driving up our health insurance rates, I'd say its definitely his business.

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Forget she's pregnant then, get up this morning and march out into the streets and start telling everyone you see who's smoking how bad it is and how it's driving up medical costs.

While you're at it, go into the fast food restaurants and let them know how bad that food is for them.

I'm not saying it's right to smoke when you're pregnant, but I don't believe it's your right to say anything to a complete stranger either.

I have to agree with MR's post.

As someone else brought up smokers already pay higher health premiums. They also pay a hefty tax on each pack of cigs they buy. If these monies don't cover the costs then pressure needs to be brought on the insurance companies to change the way the rates are established so the smoker pays his share. If the taxes aren't high enough to cover societies costs then your legislature needs to address that issue with higher taxes on smokes. And while they are at it don't put that money in the general fund but use it for smoking issues only. After all it's the smoker that's paying the tax.

FWIW I'm a non-smoker who's Dad died because of smoking.

[MizzouRah]

If I had my way, all tobacco compaines would be shut down... and I've chewed tobacco for years.

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

If I had my way, all tobacco compaines would be shut down... and I've chewed tobacco for years.

While I'm sure you'd have some negative outcome to coincide, that would probably do a lot of people, myself included, a lot of good.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by SteveMax58

While I'm sure you'd have some negative outcome to coincide, that would probably do a lot of people, myself included, a lot of good.

Too bad they make so much f'n $$$$ - it'll never happen.

[Ragone]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

If I had my way, all tobacco compaines would be shut down... and I've chewed tobacco for years.

Why not just shut down all the alcohol producing companies as well.. they have harmful side effects that are consistantly ignored.

[Richard Weed]

Originally Posted by Ragone

Why not just shut down all the alcohol producing companies as well.. they have harmful side effects that are consistantly ignored.

Ugly chicks and fat chicks would sue you if you tried prohibition.

[RendeR]

A) All you posters "guessing" about the effects, what her doctors told her, etc etc need to actually READ the link posted on page one to the snopes article and follow the link near the end of it to the full article written about her.

B) While I've seen friends try and quit and simply fail miserably, I myself smoked 3 packs a day and stopped cold turkey. Felt crappy for about a week, but nothing that stopped me doing my job/living my life and moved on without incident. If there is anything I've learned about addictions its this:
If you do not truly WANT to quit, you will not quit. When you're really ready to give it up, you'll stop and never look back.


C) As for the calls to end tobacco production and manufacturing in this country altogether, please do a little research first. It would be ignorant and destructive to do so, let alone the overall loss of thousands of products that, while not tobacco themselves, require derivatives from tobacco production.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Ragone

Why not just shut down all the alcohol producing companies as well.. they have harmful side effects that are consistantly ignored.

Why not shut down the Royals while we're at it?

You're probably right though, these are all "choices" we can decide to do or not to do.

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by RendeR

B) While I've seen friends try and quit and simply fail miserably, I myself smoked 3 packs a day and stopped cold turkey. Felt crappy for about a week, but nothing that stopped me doing my job/living my life and moved on without incident. If there is anything I've learned about addictions its this:
If you do not truly WANT to quit, you will not quit. When you're really ready to give it up, you'll stop and never look back.

I think you're absolutely right about this. While I would like to not smoke...I havent truly reached a point that I've said, "I WANT to quit this crap, and I'm ready to do it."

I can sense I'm getting there as I keep putting further restrictions on when & where I will smoke...but I still have a little ways to go as I still use it as a stress mechanism.

[PadresFan104]

As my mother sat in bed in the fall of 1968, bedridden due to a tough 3rd trimester with me, her doctor suggested she take up smoking to ease the boredom. I still look at my mom increduosly when she tells me that story, since she became a two-pack-a-day smoker after that, though she did finally quit in 1999 after my Dad passed away from lung cancer. (He was a two pack a day smoker from the age of 19)

I have some minor lung issues, but it has more to do with growing up in a constant fog of smoke in my house, rather than my mom smoking while pregnant.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

I'm a smoker, and I have no problem with people telling me I shouldn't smoke. I also have no problem with people telling pregnant women they shouldn't smoke.

I might not listen to them, but (in my opinion), there's nothing wrong with folks trying to appeal to someone's sense of shame (or lack thereof) to influence their behavior.

You shouldn't smoke, it will make your hair fall out.

[CamEdwards]

Originally Posted by Shkspr

Have you ever thought about going into talk radio?

LOL, that made my day!

And Bee, I'm pretty sure my smoking didn't make my hair fall out... but that's a good line to tell my kids.

Actually, I recently tried Chantix to help me quit and it didn't have much effect on me. I'm debating about trying hypnotherapy, but there is a part of me that agrees (God help me) with RendeR... when you're ready to quit you will. I SHOULD be ready to quit, but I don't honestly know that I'm ready to go through the withdrawl.