Battlestar Galactica Season 4

[Bonegavel]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Hendrix is God... duh.

nice

[Bonegavel]

To me, the watchtower firmly places this, at the very least, after 1967 which is the year Dylan wrote the song. Now, time-travel and other oogedy-boogedy shit aside (i will be pissed if they fall back on these), sound waves take some time to travel out amongst the stars so it is also safe to say that it is most likely modern times or later.

I am taking the "why are they wearing suits" and "why do they use our words" as simply budget and the fact that we need to relate. I think this came up after the boxing scene in another thread.

[Eaglesfan27]

I just watched last night's episode. Now, I believe that Baltar has really undergone a spiritual metamorphosis and believes what he is preaching. There was no personal gain in going to talk to Tyrol at the end, which was the final piece for me believing in Baltar's conversion.

Excellent episode last night.

[ISiddiqui]

Yep, yep... ever since Baltar started telling Mind6 that it wasn't for personal gain,pleading with God to take him instead of the boy, and asking his attackers to slit his throat, it seems Baltar has given up trying to do things for his own personal gain (well, aside from screwing Tory, but he's only human).

I think that for those who were saying, oh its just an act, he's still in it for his own gain, can't really say that about seeing Tyrol, and closing the door, so they were alone. He had to know that he could have easily been injured again.

[TazFTW]

Kissing your sixter...

Whats her name was apparently wearing a red shirt as she volunteered to go on an "away mission" with 2 known cylons, 1 undercover cylon, and a suspected cylon/the person least likely to get killed. She had chosen poorly.

[Thomkal]

hehe Taz That was my exact thought when I saw her join the mission. I knew she was gonna get killed right then

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Kissing your sixter...

I must say ... death and painful overtones aside ... that was really hot.

Guess the alliance with Galactica was more predictable than I thought. Now we need the unboxing of D'Anna to get things rolling.

While I'm a roll predicting things, I might as well as go on record concurring with the notion that Gaeta is a Cylon. That's my best guess. I still think Baltar would be a major let down. I feel like Moore wants us to think it's Starbuck but I just don't buy it.

[Ironhead]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

I must say ... death and painful overtones aside ... that was really hot.

Guess the alliance with Galactica was more predictable than I thought. Now we need the unboxing of D'Anna to get things rolling.

While I'm a roll predicting things, I might as well as go on record concurring with the notion that Gaeta is a Cylon. That's my best guess. I still think Baltar would be a major let down. I feel like Moore wants us to think it's Starbuck but I just don't buy it.

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Gaeta as a Cylon makes a lot of sense. I immediatley recalled from the first season when Head6 told Baltar about the Cyclon device in the command center. That would have been pretty easy for Gaeta to place. I also thought about 3 and what she said in the opera house about "I'm so sorry, I didn't know." Didn't she have a lot of contact on New Caprica with Gaeta because he was Baltar's lackey?

[kcchief19]

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The Cylon device in the CIC in the pilot had me thinking Gaeta was a Cylon from the very beginning and I thought he was going to be the Cylon outed in the miniseries. Hadn't thought about the tie-in on New Caprica. Makes me wonder if there is anyone else that line might apply to?

[Eaglesfan27]

I don't think those are spoilers as much as they are good memory and good reasoning. Anyway, I agree with the reasoning in those speculations. That is my most likely pick, although Starbuck is 2nd with Moore playing mindtricks and hiding her in plain site.

[ISiddiqui]

I also agree with the reasoning in the spoilers posted. Actually after Ron Moore's comment that:

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The final Cylon is not in the "Last Supper" picture

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The last episode was just awesome. Anders almost sticking his hand in the Cylon compu-water, The 6 showing that even though Cylons can resurrect the deaths leave emotional truma, the 6 suicide (leading to real death... "human justice"), the hybrid prophecy, and even Roslin starting to think Baltar isn't just some wackjob and starting to buy into some of his religion.

Just an awesome episode all around.

[Barkeep49]

Speculation isn't spoilering. If someone knew who the last cylon was and posted it now, that's a spoiler. Using evidence from the series to speculate is what is fun about being a fan. I will have to give this hypothesis some thought.

[SFL Cat]

Dammmm...this show is still on?

[Kodos]

I think StarBuck is too obvious -- it would be the easy way to explain how she came back. Plus, she is set up to be the series hero. I just can't see them letting her be a cylon.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by SFL Cat

Dammmm...this show is still on?

Yep. It started again a couple months ago.

[Bonegavel]

Loved the look on Anders' face when they mentioned D'anna being able to ID the final 5. You could almost hear him thinking, "was she kidding when she said she would kill me if I was a cylon?"

And the hand in compu-water was great too. He was so curious but afraid that he might be able use the water.

Was it me or did the hybrid mention that the 5 were from Earth?

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

Loved the look on Anders' face when they mentioned D'anna being able to ID the final 5. You could almost hear him thinking, "was she kidding when she said she would kill me if I was a cylon?"

And the hand in compu-water was great too. He was so curious but afraid that he might be able use the water.

Was it me or did the hybrid mention that the 5 were from Earth?

I also thought I heard that the 5 are from Earth which is a very interesting twist.

[ISiddiqui]

The full quote was:

The missing 3 will give you the Five, who have come from the home of the 13th.

But don't they all come from the home of the 13th? Doesn't that mean the home of the 13th colony, which isn't the 13th colony, but where they came from beforehand?

[kcchief19]

Thus will it come to pass. A dying leader will know the truth of the Opera House. The missing Three will give you the Five who come from the home of the Thirteenth. You are the harbinger of death, Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end. End of Line.

This line is utterly baffling, especially given the suggested plot behind the Caprica prequel series Moore is developing. Does that mean that the Final Five come from Earth? We know the Final Five Cylons are different than than the other seven -- did the Final Five create the other seven? We originally believed that the humanoid cylons descended from the Cylons created by the colonies (and apparently Admiral Adama's grandfather?). But perhaps the Cylons rebelled only to be enslaved by the humanoid Cylons who descended from the Final Five who ceated them who in turn were created by the 13th tribe?

The idea that the 13th tribe created their own Cylons that evolved into humanoids would certainly fit the all of this is repeating itself theme.

And for those who were so pissed earlier ... if the Final Five came from Earth, if would explain why they had "All Along the Watchtower" stuck in their heads.

It would also explain my beef with Tigh being a Cylon since he has much too long of a history to be one of the seven -- if the Final Five were created by the 13th tribe before the seven, then all is well in the universe.

Oh, I have wasted my life.

[RendeR]

Anyone know a site where I can watch the mini series and the first 3 seasons online?

I found fancast.com has the original star trek series episodes for viewing, very high quality as well, but they lack anything modern. I was hoping to find ST:TNG, DS9, and voyager as well as the new BSG.

So, Any help for a guy whose job is utterly boring during the summer months?

[ISiddiqui]

HOLY FRAK! What an end to a the 1st part of the 2 parter.

Great episode overall too. Now they do know the location of the res hub, even if the basestar jumped away. And Natalie is fully dead. From the previews of 2 weeks from now (NOOO Memorial Day, why?!!!), it looks like things are going to start getting reaaaaly fun.

[RendeR]

JUMP!

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

HOLY FRAK! What an end to a the 1st part of the 2 parter.

Great episode overall too. Now they do know the location of the res hub, even if the basestar jumped away. And Natalie is fully dead. From the previews of 2 weeks from now (NOOO Memorial Day, why?!!!), it looks like things are going to start getting reaaaaly fun.

Do we know Natalie is dead? There was a quick cut in the preview that showed Cottle in the operating room and it looked like Natalie was who they were working on. It also sure looked like someone (Zarek?) was taking the oath of office on Colonial One. Perhaps that is in response to the baseship jumping with her onboard? And Romo Lampkin is coming back!

This was an action packed episode. I'm skeptical of the Gaeta theory now that they are leading us down that path more obviously. We've had the Starbuck suggestion, now Gaeta. I think Dualla is the only logical candidate left assuming what Moore has said is true.

I'm also subscribing more and more to the theory that if there is a 13th tribe there may be a 13th Cylon too ... then we can get our Adama and Roslin speculation going again.

Stupid Memorial Day ... waiting two weeks really sucks. And related to that, does anyone know if season four is being split or it will run uninterrupted? I think there are 20 episodes in season four and we're at seven now I think. If I have to wait another 6-12 months for the rest of season four, I may explode.

[ISiddiqui]

Well, we don't know... but it would really drive home the whole "Cylons are mortal" thing and maybe make the humans trust their new allies more. And since it was a fellow Cylon that shot Natalie, well, the Cylon rebels can't blame the humans (really).

I'd have to be Zarek taking the oath, you'd think. He is vice president. I've heard speculation that it was Lee, but he'd have to leap over too many people to get the top spot. And of course they'd have to have a temporary Prez... Roslin is gone for the time being (with Baltar... oh fun).

As for Season 4, here is what wiki says on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles...4_TV_series%29

The fourth season has been rumored to be split into two parts, a case more likely given the late premiere and production delays caused by the 2007-2008 writers' strike; the first 10 episodes airing beginning April 4, 2008,^[14] with the second 10 installments possibly airing as late as 2009.^[15][16] The Canadian cable channel Space has stated they will start airing season four on the same date. In the UK, Sky One began airing Season Four on April 15th, showing the first two episodes on that date, placing the UK just 4 days behind the U.S. screenings.

Fraking writer's strike

[ISiddiqui]

Interestingly enough, remember the "Last Supper" picture? I guess now we know why Natalie is pointing accusatorily across the table and Athena seems frightened with Apollo behind her.

[Bonegavel]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Interestingly enough, remember the "Last Supper" picture? I guess now we know why Natalie is pointing accusatorily across the table and Athena seems frightened with Apollo behind her.

That's Helo

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by RendeR

JUMP!

Great ending. Best episode of this season.

[ISiddiqui]

WOOT!

Good episode there... They grab the D'Anna, nuke the res hub, making the Cylons all human. Roslin almost lets Baltar die (saved again by a Cylon... this time while trying to free the Centurions of their chains), but then realizes that humanity has to deserve to be saved and not just because it exists.

Nice fake out on the Final 5 too,

And "About Time"... that's badass, Adama

[Eaglesfan27]

I was just about to post as I just finished watching this episode. Great episode, although part of me wishes Roslin did let Baltar die. Her reaction when he revealed that he had given up the codes was very well done.

[RendeR]

I think Doc Caudil is the final Cylon. Would be a complete and total twist, he's not on anyones radar at this point.

Loved these last two episodes, seriously fucking AMAzing stories.

[ISiddiqui]

Without Baltar the show would suck.

Btw, if you saw the previews for next week:

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OMG, they found Earth (or an Earthlike planet) and the Cylons were outed (and almost spaced it seems)!!! Figures, since I believe that's the one before the break

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I think Doc Caudil is the final Cylon. Would be a complete and total twist, he's not on anyones radar at this point.

Well in the interwebs he's on the radar . I think right now the 3 most rumored are Cottle, Gaeta, and Dee (of course the assumption that its not one of the main characters).

[Ironhead]

Spoiler

Manhattan skyline, destroyed Brooklyn bridge. The question: was it by mankind's hand or has the Human/Cylon cycle happened before?

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm still processing that episode, but I really enjoyed the ending in particular. I find myself with multiple questions - who set the signal in Kara's raptor if the Earth was decimated by a nuclear strike? The geiger counter wasn't going crazy, so I'm assuming that happened at some distant point in the past. For that matter, how did she survive? I was hoping we might get some answers on that tonight. Plenty of other questions rattling around in my head. I'm disappointed with the recent news that there won't be any more episodes shown until sometime in 2009.

[kcchief19]

HOLY FRACK!

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I wasn't expecting them to reach Earth tonight and STILL leave 10 more episodes to unravel this thing. Two things:

One, I'm concluding that the final scene was in Earth's future, since the wide shot of the city scape seemed to indicate the prescence of skyscrappers. At first I thought they were somewhere such as ancient Rome but now I'm sure they are at least in present day if not the future. And obviously Earth has been nuked to oblivion. But by who? I'm assuming the "all of this has happened before, it will happen again" would suggest that it occurred in an earlier incarnation of a human war with someone, but are we to believe that the Cylons and humans have been around together for eons? Or did the humans nuke themselves before going on to the 12 colonies? ARGH! Too many loose ends!

Two, the identity of the final Cylon. D'Anna made it quite clear that she was seeking the FOUR Cylons in the fleet when the Baseship arrived, although we already established that five Cylons were in the fleet. So ... that the final Cylon was NOT in the fleet at the time ... and thereby the final Cylon was either on the Baseship ... or elsewhere entirely?

I supposed the idea that the final Cylon was not in the fleet or on the Baseship will lead credence to the theories that it's Zac, Billy or some other dead character. Either theory would completely debunk the popular Gaeta theory But I'm more intrigued on who was on the Baseship at the time. This would seem to clearly point a finger at Roslin or Baltar. Helo was on the Baseship, and the idea that Helo could be a Cylon boggles my mind. Whoe else was there? Random pilots? Was the any other unknown Cylon on there? But again, we're left with RDM's alleged hint that the final Cylon is not in The Last Supper picture, and Roslin, Baltar and Helo are all there.

I do NOT want to wait until January or February to beging unraveling this. Frackin' writer's strike.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

The geiger counter wasn't going crazy, so I'm assuming that happened at some distant point in the past.

That's why I'm assuming that it was destroyed by Cavil's Cylon group getting there first and nuking it.

You guys beat me to my first post. It was a great episode that just leaves so many questions. I wasn't sure about the location of the final scene but Ironhead's observation is good with me.

Maddening. Just maddening.

[flounder]

You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

[Fonzie]

Wow. Just...wow.

[Bad-example]

Absolutely hilarious episode. The scene with Tigh and Adama was especially entertaining.

Long wait for the finale, and I seriously doubt the ending will be satisfying for anyone.

[RendeR]

If I'm remembering this right the cylons were created within the last 100 or so years, first as simple servants, then as mechanical soldiers until they developed their own consciousness and rebeled against the colonies during the first Cylon war some 40 or so years prior to the destrution of the colonies.

The geiger counter wasn't really going strongly so I tihnk the earth humans destroyed themselves. I don't think the cylons did it.

As for the last 10 episodes being next year I swear I'm gonna go postal on someone. I am NOT happy. GRRRRRRRR.

That being said however, I have to give some HUGE props to the writers of this season's espisodes. Just some really amazing work intertwining all the plotlines and realy developing the characters even more deeply than they had been. Season 3 was a bit of a let down and they are making up for it in spades this season.

[Wolfpack]

I've had a couple of theories rattling around.

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The first one is similar to kcchief's idea, that things in a sense have come full circle. I speculate that there was a group of humans who evacuated Earth before whatever holocaust befell the planet and it is these humans who ended up the progenitors of the colonies. They likely would have brought with them some texts to retain a history of the old home and amongst them would have been those that described the Greek gods and constellations, hence how the human culture ends up with Greek mythological influences, but since these are also decendents of our current population, why they look like us and behave like us culturally in some respects. (It'd be a bizarre coincidence that a completely alien human culture developed suits and other attire that look like anything you can buy in the local department store right now)

A little further afield is that this is a throwback reference to the original Galactica series. The initial prologue was that "Life here began out there...." Of course, the difficulty with this is why our modern society never uncovered these ruins of the prior civilization before our arrival. The only way to solve this issue is that the Colonials decided to obliterate this historical information somehow and since they also would not have the raw materials to continue sustaining their future society, the new human civilization reverted to pre-historic conditions in some amount of time before advancing again with the original knowledge of the Colonials being lost over time. As I type this, I'm thinking this isn't going to be the answer, though.

A somewhat more outlandish theory is that this isn't Earth. It could be Alpha Centauri or another nearby system that was on the way to Earth, but they missed by a little. A move to Alpha Centauri would likely not shift the constellation patterns we see very much at all, so it could be possible to see a very similar sky with some minor exceptions there as here.

I think the first idea is probably the most likely, though, or at the very least, this is Earth sometime after we've obliterated ourselves regardless of whether this is a completion of a circle.

[kcchief19]

I think there is definitely a connection between the Earth cultural references that have popped up among the humans. I really think that humans left/escaped Earth and that the humans in the fleet are descendants of the humans who left Earth.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

I think there is definitely a connection between the Earth cultural references that have popped up among the humans. I really think that humans left/escaped Earth and that the humans in the fleet are descendants of the humans who left Earth.

Yeah, that's pretty much where I was going as well. Jimi Hendrix playing was awesome at the end of Season 3, and it seems clear to be that Earth was progenitor of the 12 colonies.

However, who the fuck was signaling them back? The remnants of the old Earth crowd? If so, why the hell didn't they give Starbuck a little more?



That being said, the "Cylon redemption" bit is a little hard to take morally - at some pt, there is no kumbaya.

[Tigercat]

I like the full circle idea. That perhaps the original colonists escaped earth, perhaps because the whole Cylon creation and rebellion, or something similiar, happened there way back then first.

To go a step further, I think then a possible answer to who pushed starbuck along, who "called out" to the four cylons, may be the "Cylons" created by Earthlings, who later destroyed earth while the colonists managed to escape. Those Cylons later evolved to the point where they found the colonists thousands of years later and were able to influence the Cylons. (And perhaps "plant" the final five?)

[ISiddiqui]

Great episode and cliffhanger. Wow...I love this show.

I also think (and have thought) that the people who left Earth, possibly due to war and infighting, formed Kobol & the 12 colonies. They were like the Puritans of the future (so to speak). Perhaps they left Earth due to nuclear war breaking out?

Of course, this doesn't mean that ALL life is dead on the planet. There could still be pockets of survivors. After all, say that only a few countries got nuked, while the rest would have to deal with nuclear winter, it doesn't mean that every human was exterminated, and perhaps they were the ones who sent out a signal.

I think the last 10 eps will have to deal with what exactly happened to Earth and the search for any survivors... and of course, fighting off the Cavils when they eventually show up.

[Kodos]

Maybe we're all Cylons.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Maybe we're all Cylons.

I haven't ruled it out. You also have to consider the possibility that Hendrix was a Cylon now.

[SnowMan]

Where have they said when the last eps are gonna be..I've heard October and I've heard "next year"...

[cthomer5000]

I have to say this season really didn't do it for me. A few of the main characters just became such cliches in season 3/4 that it was tiresome to see them get a lot of screen time (Roslin, Adama). I hope the payoff is worth it, but my gut feeling is that this show essentially peaked in season 2.

I hope i'm wrong. At one point I was vieweing this as the 2nd best TV show EVER and the best sci-fi anything i'd ever read/seen. It's drifted quite a ways from that early assesment.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by SnowMan

Where have they said when the last eps are gonna be..I've heard October and I've heard "next year"...

A recent TV guide article said that January 09 is the earliest and it may not be until later in 09.