Fictional Character Draft Thread - Page 2

larrymcg421 · 06-09-2011, 11:00 AM

The way we've usually done, and I think has worked well, is you get one chance for a long delay and then after that the clock starts running on you.

For example, if you go for 24 hours without making a pick, then you get passed up. From that point, you are on a 2 hour clock, then a 1 hour clock, etc.

Lathum · 06-09-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

What happens if you don't pick within your time limit? This is only my 2nd one of these, so I don't remember how this was handled in the past.

Minnesota Vikings rule

Lathum · 06-09-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

The way we've usually done, and I think has worked well, is you get one chance for a long delay and then after that the clock starts running on you.

For example, if you go for 24 hours without making a pick, then you get passed up. From that point, you are on a 2 hour clock, then a 1 hour clock, etc.

Yeah, I think we should give Izulde some rope today, we have been moving pretty fast so far.

Lathum · 06-09-2011, 12:28 PM

Sent Izulde a FB message that he is up

lordscarlet · 06-09-2011, 12:37 PM

If people don't know, normally the policy is to PM the person after you when you make your pick.

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

If people don't know, normally the policy is to PM the person after you when you make your pick.

This is true though complicated by the fact that several PM boxes seem to be full.

Izulde · 06-09-2011, 01:01 PM

1.8 - Iago, Villain, Pre- 19th Century (William Shakespeare)

I considered putting this in the Live Performance category and almost did, but ultimately what it comes down to is the fact that Iago is one of the most interesting and memorable villains in the history of the world. His plan was absolutely perfect, his machinations splendid to watch unfold. The only problem was, he took one element of his life for granted, and that proved his undoing. It helps also I think that although watchers and readers may initially be simultaneously repulsed and fascinated by Iago, upon further reflection they find themselves sympathizing with him in a way, for who among us has not felt intense jealousy and bitterness over another person's success and secretly wished to bring them down, if even only for a moment? And of course, there's the ending, which stands in stark contrast to the tell-all nature of most villains.

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 01:14 PM

I was really excited to see which Shakespeare character would be chosen and Iago does not disappoint. I will say that I'd have put him in the Live Performance Category since Shakespeare is so linked with the stage, but he is also a terrificly memorable Villain.

Lathum · 06-09-2011, 01:17 PM

Izulde, can you bold your picks please so we can spot them easier.

wade moore · 06-09-2011, 01:18 PM

I'll bold for him.

Izulde, you know you're up again, right?

Izulde · 06-09-2011, 01:21 PM

Sorry I literally had just woken up 5 seconds before my pick.

Izulde · 06-09-2011, 01:29 PM

2.1 - Omar Little - Television Character - Modern Day (1990-Present) (David Simon

Admittedly it's way too early and maybe not the best pick even in this category, but I just woke up like I said and I don't want to hold up the draft any longer. However, Omar is arguably the most memorable and popular character in what many consider the greatest television series of all time in The Wire. A total badass, intelligent, and charismatic, he is the sort of antihero the audience loves

He also shattered contemporary conceptions and stereotypes of homosexual characters by being one of the biggest badasses ever. That he was an African-American character in some ways makes it all the more daring and compelling a character, as black homosexuality is a subject that is, I think, little discussed.

Lathum · 06-09-2011, 01:30 PM

Just my opinion, but Izulde reached way to much on his first picks

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 01:32 PM

I think the most remarkable thing about Omar was his code. You hardly say that he was cooperative with the police, but with both Jimmy and Bunk, Omar's code meant that an understanding and level of mutual respect could be reached.

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Just my opinion, but Izulde reached way to much on his first picks

I think taking Shakespeare off the board makes that a good pick.

lordscarlet · 06-09-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think taking Shakespeare off the board makes that a good pick.

A block isn't a good enough reason here. It's really just saying that no one gets credit for Shakespeare by taking such a relative unknown character.

3ric · 06-09-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think taking Shakespeare off the board makes that a good pick.

My problem with the pick isn't Shakespeare as the creator, that's good, it's that among his characters, Iago isn't the first one that comes to mind. Or the tenth for that matter.

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 3ric

My problem with the pick isn't Shakespeare as the creator, that's good, it's that among his characters, Iago isn't the first one that comes to mind. Or the tenth for that matter.

Fair enough. I'd probably have gone Hamlet personally.

spleen1015 · 06-09-2011, 01:46 PM

Iago is not the Shakespeare character I would have taken. I had Romeo, Juliet and Hamlet as my Shakespeare choices.

I love the Omar pick because I love The Wire. I think it is way to early for him to go though. He may be an iconic figure here in FOFC because we are all huge fans of the show, but over all the world doesn't know who he is.

Lathum · 06-09-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 3ric

My problem with the pick isn't Shakespeare as the creator, that's good, it's that among his characters, Iago isn't the first one that comes to mind. Or the tenth for that matter.

This- lots of epic Shakespear players to choose from

gstelmack · 06-09-2011, 01:51 PM

larrymcg421 · 06-09-2011, 01:55 PM

2.2 King Arthur (folklore, unknown/multiple creators), Hero, Pre-19th Century Creation

Izulde · 06-09-2011, 01:56 PM

Really? I personally always thought Iago was one of the first rank Shakespeare characters to come to mind.

I can see the cases for Hamlet, Romeo, and Juliet, but Hamlet is a whiny, emo, little bitch and Romeo and Juliet, while iconic because of the cultural imprint, are not memorable characters in and of themselves.

Which I think is where one of the main philosophical debates of this draft lies - Do you choose the most famous characters, regardless of strength/memorable nature, or do you choose those who may not be quite on the same fame level (though still famous), but are strong, interesting, and memorable in and of themselves?

sabotai · 06-09-2011, 01:56 PM

I would have personally gone with MacBeth as far as Shakespeare characters go, but for me, Omar pretty much locks up the "Television Character" category for Izulde.

Izulde · 06-09-2011, 02:00 PM

I have a question on the Unknown/Anonymous category. Are those originally published as anonymous, but author later revealed fair game? Or does it still have to be anonymous?

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 02:00 PM

I have a similar problem with Romeo & Juliet to Izulde. They are a great not because of who they are as characters, I think Shakespeare did a great job of capturing their immaturity, but because of the plot. The characters in a different situation aren't interesting. I think Iago with different people is still an interesting character.

Where I disagree with Izulde is the idea that Hamlet is not an interesting and memorable character in and of himself. Sure he's a bit emo, but Shakespeare is so much a part of the established Western cannon that seems like a really unfair way to dismiss a complex somewhat distant character.

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

I have a question on the Unknown/Anonymous category. Are those originally published as anonymous, but author later revealed fair game? Or does it still have to be anonymous?

If you clear up some PM space and give me a specific I'd be happy to share my thoughts.

Izulde · 06-09-2011, 02:02 PM

By the way, fantastic pick, larry.

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 02:03 PM

Mustang selects

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2.3 Batman - Comic/Animated, Cold War Creation (Bob Kane/Bill Finger)

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

2.2 King Arthur (folklore, unknown/multiple creators), Hero, Pre-19th Century Creation

Just to be clear: You are using the Pre-19th Century Creator type (you also seem to reference the Unknown/Anonymous Creator)?

lordscarlet · 06-09-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Really? I personally always thought Iago was one of the first rank Shakespeare characters to come to mind.

I can see the cases for Hamlet, Romeo, and Juliet, but Hamlet is a whiny, emo, little bitch and Romeo and Juliet, while iconic because of the cultural imprint, are not memorable characters in and of themselves.

Which I think is where one of the main philosophical debates of this draft lies - Do you choose the most famous characters, regardless of strength/memorable nature, or do you choose those who may not be quite on the same fame level (though still famous), but are strong, interesting, and memorable in and of themselves?

Personally, I think you're overestimating the impact/spread/knowledge of Othello.

JPhillips · 06-09-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Really? I personally always thought Iago was one of the first rank Shakespeare characters to come to mind.

I can see the cases for Hamlet, Romeo, and Juliet, but Hamlet is a whiny, emo, little bitch and Romeo and Juliet, while iconic because of the cultural imprint, are not memorable characters in and of themselves.

Which I think is where one of the main philosophical debates of this draft lies - Do you choose the most famous characters, regardless of strength/memorable nature, or do you choose those who may not be quite on the same fame level (though still famous), but are strong, interesting, and memorable in and of themselves?

Hamlet is a whiny, emo, little bitch? You just tore a small piece out of my heart.

I'll admit, though, that I'm not sure I'd pick Hamlet over Lear.

Izulde · 06-09-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I have a similar problem with Romeo & Juliet to Izulde. They are a great not because of who they are as characters, I think Shakespeare did a great job of capturing their immaturity, but because of the plot. The characters in a different situation aren't interesting. I think Iago with different people is still an interesting character.

Where I disagree with Izulde is the idea that Hamlet is not an interesting and memorable character in and of himself. Sure he's a bit emo, but Shakespeare is so much a part of the established Western cannon that seems like a really unfair way to dismiss a complex somewhat distant character.

I just have a very hard time respecting Hamlet on any level. In fact, I have more respect for Claudius.

spleen1015 · 06-09-2011, 02:07 PM

2.4 - Huckleberry Finn - Child Character - 19th Century Creater (Mark Twain)

Good picks with King Arthur and Batman.

Izulde · 06-09-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Personally, I think you're overestimating the impact/spread/knowledge of Othello.

That could very well be. Which, if so, is a shame. In my opinion, it's one of Shakespeare's best plays.

spleen1015 · 06-09-2011, 02:10 PM

I'll be honest. I had to look up Iago because I immediately thought of the parrot in Aladin.

But.... I'm not the most literary person. I didn't really like Shakespeare all that much in HS.

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

I just have a very hard time respecting Hamlet on any level. In fact, I have more respect for Claudius.

I don't think respecting Hamlet is the point. There are plenty of historical figures who I can't say I respect in anyway, but who I can still acknowledge as having done something great.

I think, even from this discussion, how clearly memorable Hamlet is, and that to me seems a really important aspect for a character.

lordscarlet · 06-09-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

I'll be honest. I had to look up Iago because I immediately thought of the parrot in Aladin.

But.... I'm not the most literary person. I didn't really like Shakespeare all that much in HS.

Same here on having to look it up.

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

2.4 - Huckleberry Finn - Child Character - 19th Century Creater (Mark Twain)

Good picks with King Arthur and Batman.

I was curious to see if Finn or Sawyer would be the Twain pick.

larrymcg421 · 06-09-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Just to be clear: You are using the Pre-19th Century Creator type (you also seem to reference the Unknown/Anonymous Creator)?

Yes, I am using Pre-19th. The Unknown/Anonymous/Multiple was just identifying the creator.

Lathum · 06-09-2011, 02:19 PM

I have a bad feeling Wade is going to take my next pick I want

larrymcg421 · 06-09-2011, 02:19 PM

Hamlet was going to be my next pick. He is clearly the #1 Shakespeare fictional character.

Izulde · 06-09-2011, 02:22 PM

I'm starting to get an idea of how I'm going to approach this draft, I think and if I go the way I'm thinking of, the first two picks work fine.

wade moore · 06-09-2011, 02:43 PM

2.5 - Holden Caulfield - The Catcher in the Rye - Child Character - One Great Work [J.D. Salinger]

Holden Caulfield is an amazing character in an amazing book. Written by J.D. Salinger who not long after writing the book and it becoming famous, withdrew and became a complete recluse. When I think of truly iconic Child Characters, I think it's hard to beat Caulfield.

spleen1015 · 06-09-2011, 02:44 PM

Non-European/American Creator

Is this one Non-European & Non-American Creator? I just want to clarify. Thanks!

spleen1015 · 06-09-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

2.5 - Holden Caulfield - The Catcher in the Rye - Child Character - One Great Work [J.D. Salinger]

Holden Caulfield is an amazing character in an amazing book. Written by J.D. Salinger who not long after writing the book and it becoming famous, withdrew and became a complete recluse. When I think of truly iconic Child Characters, I think it's hard to beat Caulfield.

I guess I should read this book, hrm?

wade moore · 06-09-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Non-European/American Creator

Is this one Non-European & Non-American Creator? I just want to clarify. Thanks!

Yeah, my take on this was he wanted something from someone that was neither American or European.

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Non-European/American Creator

Is this one Non-European & Non-American Creator? I just want to clarify. Thanks!

The Creator may not be European and may not be American. Asian/African/Latin are all acceptable.

Barkeep49 · 06-09-2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

2.5 - Holden Caulfield - The Catcher in the Rye - Child Character - One Great Work [J.D. Salinger]

Holden Caulfield is an amazing character in an amazing book. Written by J.D. Salinger who not long after writing the book and it becoming famous, withdrew and became a complete recluse. When I think of truly iconic Child Characters, I think it's hard to beat Caulfield.

When I came up with the One Great Work category Salinger was one of two authors who immediately came to mind. The power of the work is clear to document as I know at least 3 kids who were named after Holden Caulfield.

Lathum · 06-09-2011, 02:49 PM

2.6- Roland the Gunslinger- Literary

Steven King

Cold War Era

given the makeup of this group amazed he made it this far

06-09-2011, 12:37 PM	#55
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06-09-2011, 01:01 PM	#57
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	1.8 - Iago, Villain, Pre- 19th Century (William Shakespeare) I considered putting this in the Live Performance category and almost did, but ultimately what it comes down to is the fact that Iago is one of the most interesting and memorable villains in the history of the world. His plan was absolutely perfect, his machinations splendid to watch unfold. The only problem was, he took one element of his life for granted, and that proved his undoing. It helps also I think that although watchers and readers may initially be simultaneously repulsed and fascinated by Iago, upon further reflection they find themselves sympathizing with him in a way, for who among us has not felt intense jealousy and bitterness over another person's success and secretly wished to bring them down, if even only for a moment? And of course, there's the ending, which stands in stark contrast to the tell-all nature of most villains. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Last edited by Izulde : 06-09-2011 at 01:36 PM.

06-09-2011, 01:21 PM	#61
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Sorry I literally had just woken up 5 seconds before my pick. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

06-09-2011, 01:29 PM	#62
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	2.1 - Omar Little - Television Character - Modern Day (1990-Present) (David Simon Admittedly it's way too early and maybe not the best pick even in this category, but I just woke up like I said and I don't want to hold up the draft any longer. However, Omar is arguably the most memorable and popular character in what many consider the greatest television series of all time in The Wire. A total badass, intelligent, and charismatic, he is the sort of antihero the audience loves He also shattered contemporary conceptions and stereotypes of homosexual characters by being one of the biggest badasses ever. That he was an African-American character in some ways makes it all the more daring and compelling a character, as black homosexuality is a subject that is, I think, little discussed. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

06-09-2011, 01:51 PM	#71
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	__________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

06-09-2011, 12:28 PM	#54
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Sent Izulde a FB message that he is up

06-09-2011, 01:14 PM	#58
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I was really excited to see which Shakespeare character would be chosen and Iago does not disappoint. I will say that I'd have put him in the Live Performance Category since Shakespeare is so linked with the stage, but he is also a terrificly memorable Villain.

06-09-2011, 01:17 PM	#59
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Izulde, can you bold your picks please so we can spot them easier.

06-09-2011, 01:30 PM	#63
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Just my opinion, but Izulde reached way to much on his first picks

06-09-2011, 01:32 PM	#64
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I think the most remarkable thing about Omar was his code. You hardly say that he was cooperative with the police, but with both Jimmy and Bunk, Omar's code meant that an understanding and level of mutual respect could be reached.

06-09-2011, 01:46 PM	#69
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Iago is not the Shakespeare character I would have taken. I had Romeo, Juliet and Hamlet as my Shakespeare choices. I love the Omar pick because I love The Wire. I think it is way to early for him to go though. He may be an iconic figure here in FOFC because we are all huge fans of the show, but over all the world doesn't know who he is.

06-09-2011, 01:55 PM	#72
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	2.2 King Arthur (folklore, unknown/multiple creators), Hero, Pre-19th Century Creation __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

06-09-2011, 01:56 PM	#73
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Really? I personally always thought Iago was one of the first rank Shakespeare characters to come to mind. I can see the cases for Hamlet, Romeo, and Juliet, but Hamlet is a whiny, emo, little bitch and Romeo and Juliet, while iconic because of the cultural imprint, are not memorable characters in and of themselves. Which I think is where one of the main philosophical debates of this draft lies - Do you choose the most famous characters, regardless of strength/memorable nature, or do you choose those who may not be quite on the same fame level (though still famous), but are strong, interesting, and memorable in and of themselves? __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

06-09-2011, 01:56 PM	#74
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I would have personally gone with MacBeth as far as Shakespeare characters go, but for me, Omar pretty much locks up the "Television Character" category for Izulde.

06-09-2011, 02:00 PM	#75
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	I have a question on the Unknown/Anonymous category. Are those originally published as anonymous, but author later revealed fair game? Or does it still have to be anonymous? __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

06-09-2011, 02:02 PM	#78
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	By the way, fantastic pick, larry. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

06-09-2011, 02:07 PM	#84
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	2.4 - Huckleberry Finn - Child Character - 19th Century Creater (Mark Twain) Good picks with King Arthur and Batman.

06-09-2011, 02:10 PM	#86
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	I'll be honest. I had to look up Iago because I immediately thought of the parrot in Aladin. But.... I'm not the most literary person. I didn't really like Shakespeare all that much in HS.

06-09-2011, 02:19 PM	#91
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I have a bad feeling Wade is going to take my next pick I want

06-09-2011, 02:22 PM	#93
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	I'm starting to get an idea of how I'm going to approach this draft, I think and if I go the way I'm thinking of, the first two picks work fine. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

06-09-2011, 02:44 PM	#95
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Non-European/American Creator Is this one Non-European & Non-American Creator? I just want to clarify. Thanks!

06-09-2011, 02:49 PM	#100
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	2.6- Roland the Gunslinger- Literary Steven King Cold War Era given the makeup of this group amazed he made it this far

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