RIP (not): Kim Jong Il

[Bobble]

Dead? I didn't even know he was ... il.

[flounder]

Remembering Kim Jong-Il's Victims

Ri Hyon Ok was a 33-year-old mother of three who was publicly executed by the North Korean government on June 16, 2009, for the crime of giving away bibles. Her husband and children were banished to North Korea’s vast political prison system the day after she was killed.

Son Jong Nam was tortured by North Korean authorities and imprisoned for three years, from 2001 to 2004. He lost 70 pounds while in captivity and emerged walking with a permanent limp. Arrested again in 2006 after police found bibles at his home, he was sentenced to death by firing squad.

Soon Ok Lee is a survivor of the Kaechon prison camp. She testified on April 30, 2003, at a hearing of the House Subcommittee on International Terrorism, Nonproliferation, and Human Rights that women political prisoners in North Korea “were unconditionally forced to abort because the unborn baby was also considered a criminal by law.” She testified, “Women in their 8th or 9th month of pregnancy had salt solutions injected into their wombs to induce abortion. In spite of these brutal efforts, some babies were born alive, in which case the prison guards mercilessly killed the infants by squeezing their necks in front of their mothers. The dead babies were taken away for biological tests. If a mother pleaded for the life of her baby, she was publicly executed under the charge of ‘impure ideology.’”

Kang Chol Hwan is another survivor of the North Korean prison camps. He met with George W. Bush in the Oval Office in June 2005. He’s spoken of how when one prisoner was hanged, “thousands of prisoners were made to form one line and passed by the hanged person and threw stones at the dead body, shouting, ‘Let’s get rid of the people’s traitor.’ And because of throwing so many stones by thousands of prisoners, the faces and muscles were all torn up. Some women with weak heart, they didn’t obey and didn’t throw the stone. Then the officers condemned them, saying your ideology is doubtful. And beat them.”

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's an incredible thing to see how millions of people can be brainwashed over decades to create a god-like platform for their leader(s). I've read a lot of articles/books on North Korea. Those are legitimate tears being shed by those people. They're crushed by his death, even though we as outsiders know he was a schmuck to say the least.

Maybe they are crying because his successor is thought to be much, much worse??

(probably not, but worth a shot.)

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by flounder

Remembering Kim Jong-Il's Victims

That really puts it in perspective. Thanks, Flounder.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Maybe they are crying because his successor is thought to be much, much worse??

(probably not, but worth a shot.)

And just for comparison, here's video from just after Kim Il Sung's death. A mirror image of what is in the other video.......

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by cartman

Scenes of the mourning:

Worth noting that the only video we're going to see of this is the video that the NK themselves release.

[DanGarion]

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

And just for comparison, here's video from just after Kim Il Sung's death. A mirror image of what is in the other video.......

Dare I say it again...maybe they were very, very afraid of his successor?

[cartman]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Dare I say it again...maybe they were very, very afraid of his successor?

Or they have the script down pat.

[molson]

I think the mourning's legitimate, from everything I've read about how successful the regime has been in closing off information, and shielding their citizens into a cold, but content, stupor. Maybe they're happier than we are.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting story about a new woman being sited next to the new guy in charge. The list of song titles she's known for is priceless.......

According to London's Telegraph, "South Korean intelligence sources" say the woman is Hyon Song Wol, a singer "who used to front the Bochonbo Electronic Music Band" and "responsible for a string of hits that included 'Footsteps of Soldiers,' 'I Love Pyongyang,' 'She is a Discharged Soldier' and 'We are Troops of the Party.'"

Her popularity "peaked in 2005 with the song 'Excellent Horse-Like Lady,'"

Who is Kim Jong Un’s mystery woman? | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

[Flasch186]

a song about her?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Bit of upheaval within the ranks......

North Korea's removal of army chief seen as purge - CSMonitor.com

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Now THIS is what you do when a guy is caught partying during your dad's mourning period. I'm not sure I've ever heard of execution by mortar shell..........

North Korean army minister reportedly executed for drinking during mourning period | Fox News