Armed "Militia" takes over wildlife refuge outpost - Page 2

Dutch · 01-03-2016, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

Taking out their pickup trucks would be hitting them where it hurts. (I learned this from country music.)

Now I was only kidding, I thought you only hated rich white people??

Quote:

I ain’t rich, but I damn sure wanna be
Working like a dog all day, ain’t working for me
I wish I had a rich uncle that’d kick the bucket
And that I was sitting on a pile like Warren Buffett
I know everybody says
Money can’t buy happiness

But it could buy me a boat, it could buy me a truck to pull it
It could buy me a Yeti 110 iced down with some silver bullets
Yeah, and I know what they say,
Money can’t buy everything
Well, maybe so,
But it could buy me a boat

Groundhog · 01-03-2016, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

seize whatever property they have

In all seriousness, this is exactly what they should do IMO. Seize all their assets.

PilotMan · 01-03-2016, 10:14 PM

Bottom line is something needs to be done. One way or another, something needs to be done. I'm not sure waiting them out or ignoring them constitutes doing something.

QuikSand · 01-04-2016, 05:03 AM

I wonder which derisive nickname they like better

#vanillaISIS

#yallQuaeda

Solecismic · 01-04-2016, 07:53 AM

When people choose violent resistance, I think we need to address this with law enforcement. It's hard to compare this to ISIS, where the violence is deliberately extended toward innocent people. It needs its own category.

Because there's no current threat to innocent lives and there's no disruption of commerce or the freedom of others, law enforcement can take its time planning a response. But a response is necessary.

Using the military is an interesting idea, but we have laws against deploying them within the country for good reason - the same reason we have a Second Amendment. Our military plays a specific and vital role in national defense. Their training is specific to a different type of threat, where the judgment has already been made. Enemy combatants are not given the same rights as American citizens.

These people need to be addressed with the goal of bringing them to a fair trial. If they resist this arrest, and it appears they have planned to do so, force is necessary. There are police units with this specific training. Let them do their jobs, and try not to judge them harshly if some of these people are killed in the process. We owe our law enforcement a deep debt. If we didn't have police, groups like this would be everywhere, and many of them would be a serious threat to our own lives.

Butter · 01-04-2016, 08:53 AM

I'm going to take the JiMGa stance here.

If they want to become martyrs, let them. They are trying to seize United States lands and create their own "state". The Army should be sent in to take back these federal lands from these militarized "citizens".

Live by the rule of law, die by it.

Honolulu_Blue · 01-04-2016, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

I'm going to take the JiMGa stance here.

If they want to become martyrs, let them. They are trying to seize United States lands and create their own "state". The Army should be sent in to take back these federal lands from these militarized "citizens".

Live by the rule of law, die by it.

That's not a bad JiMGa impersonation there, Butterman. Well done!

Butter · 01-04-2016, 09:22 AM

Thanks, I try.

flere-imsaho · 01-04-2016, 09:27 AM

I find myself increasingly in disagreement with Jim these days, but his post (#55) neatly summarizes my opinion.

PilotMan · 01-04-2016, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I find myself increasingly in disagreement with Jim these days, but his post (#55) neatly summarizes my opinion.

Yep, it was well said and on point.

Dutch · 01-04-2016, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I wonder which derisive nickname they like better

#vanillaISIS

#yallQuaeda

BillJasper · 01-04-2016, 03:00 PM

I'd go build a fence around the cabin. No one goes in, no one goes out until they surrender.

Abe Sargent · 01-04-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

When people choose violent resistance, I think we need to address this with law enforcement. It's hard to compare this to ISIS, where the violence is deliberately extended toward innocent people. It needs its own category.

Because there's no current threat to innocent lives and there's no disruption of commerce or the freedom of others, law enforcement can take its time planning a response. But a response is necessary.

Using the military is an interesting idea, but we have laws against deploying them within the country for good reason - the same reason we have a Second Amendment. Our military plays a specific and vital role in national defense. Their training is specific to a different type of threat, where the judgment has already been made. Enemy combatants are not given the same rights as American citizens.

These people need to be addressed with the goal of bringing them to a fair trial. If they resist this arrest, and it appears they have planned to do so, force is necessary. There are police units with this specific training. Let them do their jobs, and try not to judge them harshly if some of these people are killed in the process. We owe our law enforcement a deep debt. If we didn't have police, groups like this would be everywhere, and many of them would be a serious threat to our own lives.

To me this whole thing, from the anti-federal government push and confrontation in Nevada to this, is all part of a movement that reminds me of the Whiskey Rebellion in the 1790s. In order to end it, and to force those folks to pay their taxes, Washington rode at the head of a large army. Battle never even ensued, and it was ended eventually without a lot of bloodshed.

But a military response was precisely the appropriate action necessary to force people to pay their taxes and ot stop being ornery.

CrimsonFox · 01-04-2016, 03:44 PM

So like can the ducks and geese have their houses then?

CrimsonFox · 01-04-2016, 03:46 PM

hmmmm I just had a thought...

David Koresh and the Branch Davidians of Waco.

CU Tiger · 01-04-2016, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

In nearly all cases of extremism, I can at least understand where they're coming from, what their grievances are, why they're angry, and why the anger is enough to escalate to life/death levels. I read this story and I'm mainly left with a big, fat, "huh???"

+1

The closest Ive come to fully understanding their POV was this:
Full Story About What’s Going on In Oregon – “Militia” Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution… | The Last Refuge

Far from an unbiased source based on domain name alone, but it at least tried to paint a story.

Dutch · 01-04-2016, 04:01 PM

@CrimsonFox

Too late! Post #5 referenced Waco.

I can still see in my mind that hapless ATF dude at the curtain and bullets flying out at him...

CrimsonFox · 01-04-2016, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

@CrimsonFox

Too late! Post #5 referenced Waco.

I can still see in my mind that hapless ATF dude at the curtain and bullets flying out at him...

whomario · 01-04-2016, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

@CrimsonFox

Too late! Post #5 referenced Waco.

anti-referenced it, actually

Dutch · 01-04-2016, 04:33 PM

Objection overruled!

albionmoonlight · 01-04-2016, 08:32 PM

Isn't this one kind of easy? They don't have hostages, right?

Supply them with food from a local prison. Keep guards around to keep others from coming in and joining them. Tell them when they want to come out and surrender, they are free to do so. But that you are cool if they stay in.

This can go on for years, right?

CrimsonFox · 01-04-2016, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Isn't this one kind of easy? They don't have hostages, right?

Supply them with food from a local prison. Keep guards around to keep others from coming in and joining them. Tell them when they want to come out and surrender, they are free to do so. But that you are cool if they stay in.

This can go on for years, right?

I thought of that. But the problem is that they'll shoot and eat every living thing in sight. I seriously hope they are spycamming these dudes and keeping a scorecard of everything they illegally shoot.

Dutch · 01-04-2016, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Isn't this one kind of easy? They don't have hostages, right?

Supply them with food from a local prison. Keep guards around to keep others from coming in and joining them. Tell them when they want to come out and surrender, they are free to do so. But that you are cool if they stay in.

This can go on for years, right?

Hmmm, they would be too stupid to realize they put themselves in jail. I think it's brilliant.

mauchow · 01-05-2016, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I wonder which derisive nickname they like better

#vanillaISIS

#yallQuaeda

I like #yeehawdists

cuervo72 · 01-05-2016, 07:03 PM

#YokelHaram not bad either.

wustin · 01-05-2016, 08:05 PM

They have the right intentions but occupying a federal facility with militiamen is the wrong thing to do.

The whole Hammond fiasco has created a huge precedent for ranchers in the west. The feds have been fucking over the Hammonds for a decade over land.

JPhillips · 01-05-2016, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wustin

They have the right intentions but occupying a federal facility with militiamen is the wrong thing to do.

The whole Hammond fiasco has created a huge precedent for ranchers in the west. The feds have been fucking over the Hammonds for a decade over land.

Uhh, their intentions are to start a civil war and overthrow the federal government.

wustin · 01-05-2016, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Uhh, their intentions are to start a civil war and overthrow the federal government.

And you start that by taking over an empty building?

Their intentions are to bring attention to the expansion of federal property in Oregon (and the west) and the extreme harassment the feds have taken to seize land and push out ranchers.

As for the whole Hammonds arrest, I do think that they both should serve the 5-year sentence (which they will).

Dutch · 01-05-2016, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wustin

And you start that by taking over an empty building?

And one in the middle of nowhere...as far as we know, this is all actually taking place in Canada.

JPhillips · 01-05-2016, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wustin

And you start that by taking over an empty building?

Their intentions are to bring attention to the expansion of federal property in Oregon (and the west) and the extreme harassment the feds have taken to seize land and push out ranchers.

As for the whole Hammonds arrest, I do think that they both should serve the 5-year sentence (which they will).

Watch the video I posted earlier. He's looking to go out in a blaze of glory. He's Tim McVeigh without the truck bomb.

Dutch · 01-05-2016, 09:59 PM

Better to burn out, than fade away? Sure...but they have 3700 cans of Pork n Beans...

lighthousekeeper · 01-05-2016, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

as far as we know, this is all actually taking place in Canada.

Over Polk's dead body. 54° 40' or fight!

Dutch · 01-05-2016, 10:09 PM

One of the greatest war rally cries of all time.

But look, nobody knows where 54-40 is anymore accept for maybe Google Maps. These dudes have Rand McNally's from 1982...the maps are likely severely faded.

molson · 01-07-2016, 12:21 PM

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Mizzou B-ball fan · 01-13-2016, 09:37 AM

Angry Militia Leader: Stop Mailing Us DildosÂ*

Honolulu_Blue · 01-13-2016, 09:38 AM

These militia dorks are excellent fodder. So long as they just keep sitting there doing nothing and being stupid, their existence may... may be worth it. May.

whomario · 01-13-2016, 09:47 AM

Does the fact that he is wearing a jacket inside mean that gas (or whatever heats the rooms) has been cut ?

panerd · 01-13-2016, 10:23 AM

Wait... you can send these guys packages and mail at an illegally occupied federal building?

Neuqua · 01-13-2016, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Angry Militia Leader: Stop Mailing Us DildosÂ*

I can't stop laughing at this.

QuikSand · 01-13-2016, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Neuqua

I can't stop laughing at this.

+1

JPhillips · 01-13-2016, 10:52 AM

I can't believe so many people spend money and time on hate when they could buy guns and ammo and occupy federal buildings until the government is overthrown.

PilotMan · 01-13-2016, 01:04 PM

If you liked that you'll love this!

Drama Alert! The Oregon Militia Boys Are Beefing Like Instagram Teens

BillJasper · 01-13-2016, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

If you liked that you'll love this!

Drama Alert! The Oregon Militia Boys Are Beefing Like Instagram Teens

stevew · 01-13-2016, 02:06 PM

The Dumb and the Restless | Rolling Stone

BillJasper · 01-13-2016, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

The Dumb and the Restless | Rolling Stone

#YallQaeda

cuervo72 · 01-13-2016, 06:06 PM

I smell reality show.

NobodyHere · 01-13-2016, 06:27 PM

A couple of the guys are fuckers of the highest grade Stolen Valor: Men In Oregon ‘Militia’ Caught Red-Handed Falsely Posing As Marine Veterans «

BillJasper · 01-13-2016, 07:51 PM

Classy bunch.

BillJasper · 01-13-2016, 07:52 PM

Oregon Militiamen Appear To Be Preparing To Put Local Officials On 'Trial'

Nothing says 'Freedom' like meeting in private.

albionmoonlight · 01-13-2016, 09:03 PM

I'm confused. These guys are holed up. How are they getting mail and visitors? Why is the government letting people and stuff in?

01-03-2016, 10:14 PM	#53
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Bottom line is something needs to be done. One way or another, something needs to be done. I'm not sure waiting them out or ignoring them constitutes doing something. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

01-04-2016, 08:53 AM	#56
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	I'm going to take the JiMGa stance here. If they want to become martyrs, let them. They are trying to seize United States lands and create their own "state". The Army should be sent in to take back these federal lands from these militarized "citizens". Live by the rule of law, die by it. __________________ My listening habits Last edited by Butter : 01-04-2016 at 08:54 AM.

01-04-2016, 09:22 AM	#58
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Thanks, I try. __________________ My listening habits

01-04-2016, 03:00 PM	#62
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	I'd go build a fence around the cabin. No one goes in, no one goes out until they surrender. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

01-04-2016, 04:01 PM	#67
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	@CrimsonFox Too late! Post #5 referenced Waco. I can still see in my mind that hapless ATF dude at the curtain and bullets flying out at him... Last edited by Dutch : 01-04-2016 at 04:02 PM.

01-04-2016, 05:03 AM	#54
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I wonder which derisive nickname they like better #vanillaISIS #yallQuaeda

01-04-2016, 07:53 AM	#55
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	When people choose violent resistance, I think we need to address this with law enforcement. It's hard to compare this to ISIS, where the violence is deliberately extended toward innocent people. It needs its own category. Because there's no current threat to innocent lives and there's no disruption of commerce or the freedom of others, law enforcement can take its time planning a response. But a response is necessary. Using the military is an interesting idea, but we have laws against deploying them within the country for good reason - the same reason we have a Second Amendment. Our military plays a specific and vital role in national defense. Their training is specific to a different type of threat, where the judgment has already been made. Enemy combatants are not given the same rights as American citizens. These people need to be addressed with the goal of bringing them to a fair trial. If they resist this arrest, and it appears they have planned to do so, force is necessary. There are police units with this specific training. Let them do their jobs, and try not to judge them harshly if some of these people are killed in the process. We owe our law enforcement a deep debt. If we didn't have police, groups like this would be everywhere, and many of them would be a serious threat to our own lives.

01-04-2016, 09:27 AM	#59
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	I find myself increasingly in disagreement with Jim these days, but his post (#55) neatly summarizes my opinion.

01-04-2016, 03:44 PM	#64
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	So like can the ducks and geese have their houses then?

01-04-2016, 03:46 PM	#65
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	hmmmm I just had a thought... David Koresh and the Branch Davidians of Waco.

01-04-2016, 04:33 PM	#70
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Objection overruled!

01-04-2016, 08:32 PM	#71
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Isn't this one kind of easy? They don't have hostages, right? Supply them with food from a local prison. Keep guards around to keep others from coming in and joining them. Tell them when they want to come out and surrender, they are free to do so. But that you are cool if they stay in. This can go on for years, right?

01-05-2016, 07:03 PM	#75
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	#YokelHaram not bad either. __________________ null

01-05-2016, 08:05 PM	#76
wustin College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2014	They have the right intentions but occupying a federal facility with militiamen is the wrong thing to do. The whole Hammond fiasco has created a huge precedent for ranchers in the west. The feds have been fucking over the Hammonds for a decade over land. Last edited by wustin : 01-05-2016 at 08:05 PM.

01-05-2016, 09:59 PM	#81
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Better to burn out, than fade away? Sure...but they have 3700 cans of Pork n Beans...

01-05-2016, 10:09 PM	#83
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	One of the greatest war rally cries of all time. But look, nobody knows where 54-40 is anymore accept for maybe Google Maps. These dudes have Rand McNally's from 1982...the maps are likely severely faded.

01-07-2016, 12:21 PM	#84
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	News about #bundyeroticfanfic on Twitter

01-13-2016, 09:37 AM	#85
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Angry Militia Leader: Stop Mailing Us DildosÂ*

01-13-2016, 09:38 AM	#86
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	These militia dorks are excellent fodder. So long as they just keep sitting there doing nothing and being stupid, their existence may... may be worth it. May. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

01-13-2016, 09:47 AM	#87
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Does the fact that he is wearing a jacket inside mean that gas (or whatever heats the rooms) has been cut ? __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

01-13-2016, 10:23 AM	#88
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	Wait... you can send these guys packages and mail at an illegally occupied federal building?

01-13-2016, 10:52 AM	#91
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I can't believe so many people spend money and time on hate when they could buy guns and ammo and occupy federal buildings until the government is overthrown. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

01-13-2016, 01:04 PM	#92
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	If you liked that you'll love this! Drama Alert! The Oregon Militia Boys Are Beefing Like Instagram Teens __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

01-13-2016, 02:06 PM	#94
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The Dumb and the Restless \| Rolling Stone

01-13-2016, 06:06 PM	#96
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	I smell reality show. __________________ null

01-13-2016, 06:27 PM	#97
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	A couple of the guys are fuckers of the highest grade Stolen Valor: Men In Oregon ‘Militia’ Caught Red-Handed Falsely Posing As Marine Veterans « __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

01-13-2016, 07:51 PM	#98
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	Classy bunch. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

01-13-2016, 07:52 PM	#99
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	Oregon Militiamen Appear To Be Preparing To Put Local Officials On 'Trial' Nothing says 'Freedom' like meeting in private. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

01-13-2016, 09:03 PM	#100
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I'm confused. These guys are holed up. How are they getting mail and visitors? Why is the government letting people and stuff in?

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