Things that happen to Rich People

[GrantDawg]

Murder in general, has the highest clearance rate of any crime. Largely because murder gets the largest amount of police resources than any other type of investigation. The other factor that generally helps is that it is the crime that gets the most public attention. The more public attention the crime gets also causes police forces to put in more resources, so they are synergistic factors.
Of course a case with large national and international attention is going to get more police resources. Of course a case with this level of press and attention is much more likely to generate helpful civilian leads to help solve the case faster. There is no one way every murder case in America could possibly get the exact same amount of attention that this one did. Individual murders would literally have to be the only thing anyone ever talked about.

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[CrimsonFox]

From a Hilton in Midtown Manhattan
Fled a boy with a Big Mac in his hand
ANd his daring life of crime
Made him a legend in his time
As he sang Delay Deny Disband...

[Edward64]

Luigi Mangione, CEO shooting suspect, was Ivy League graduate who appears to have written about Unabomber online | CNN

From a wealthy family. Smart kid, valedictorian and went to Ivy. Liked to read and post reviews. CNN article didn't have anything on his political leanings.

Had childhood chronic back pain spondylolisthesis, aggravated by surfing accident. Suffered from brain fog (?). Lyme disease.

Unabomber fan ...

“It’s easy to quickly and thoughtless(ly) write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic, in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies. But it’s simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out,” Mangione wrote in a review of the book in January. “He was a violent individual – rightfully imprisoned – who maimed innocent people. While these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy luddite, however, they are more accurately seen as those of an extreme political revolutionary.”

In his review, Mangione also shared thoughts someone else had written about Kaczynski in a Reddit thread, quoting a commenter who had described his acts as “war and revolution,” saying that he “had the balls to recognize that peaceful protest has gotten us absolutely nowhere” and that “‘Violence never solved anything’ is a statement uttered by cowards and predators.”

Not sure what to think. Doesn't seem to fit (my) profile of a cold-blooded killer. He had health issues, but you'd think his family had enough wealth to take care of it. I think there is something missing linking him to why UHC?

[RainMaker]

I think he had a chronic back problem, was in a lot of pain, and had been screwed by insurance companies most of his life. Even if you have some family money, it's not going to cover medical costs in this country.

[Swaggs]

A lot of people do not appreciate how big of an impact chronic pain can have on you, until you deal with it. From mental health, drug addiction, exercise, and career-related things, down to doing things like dressing or putting on shoes or maintaining hygiene to even using the bathroom without extreme pain or discomfort. And money and/or access to treatment can help, but very often isn't enough to alleviate it.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Murder in general, has the highest clearance rate of any crime. Largely because murder gets the largest amount of police resources than any other type of investigation. The other factor that generally helps is that it is the crime that gets the most public attention. The more public attention the crime gets also causes police forces to put in more resources, so they are synergistic factors.
Of course a case with large national and international attention is going to get more police resources. Of course a case with this level of press and attention is much more likely to generate helpful civilian leads to help solve the case faster. There is no one way every murder case in America could possibly get the exact same amount of attention that this one did. Individual murders would literally have to be the only thing anyone ever talked about.

I think rape clearance rates are slightly higher (although that's just on those reported). It's still comically low and an embarrassment to the profession. The city isn't very good at solving crimes.

I think this stuff is bad for business in a city too but I guess
$6 billion a year isn't enough.

Exclusive | NYC rapists could be roaming free after cops' rape kits fail: sources

[GrantDawg]

Clearance rate for murder is double that for rape. Again, murder gets more attention, which helps in both securing more resources and getting more people willing to give evidence. Rape is much harder in general because it is way less likely to receive as much publicity, and the fact the victim is not named means even people that might be interested to help may not even know they saw something useful.
That is not to say there also isn't systematic problems in how rape is dealt with. Most rape cases are acquaintance rape, and that's even though that is the type most under-reported.So it is not even a matter of not knowing who. It is getting enough evidence to win the case.

[RainMaker]

Are you looking nationally or just citywide? You're right that murder is slightly higher than rape it looks like. I was looking at data from a few years ago which might have been skewed because it appears they got a huge grant to test old rape kits and that closed a lot of cases.

Both are still pretty low in New York compared to the rest of the country.

[CrimsonFox]

In the ultimate irony, the mcdonalds employee has been denied the 60K prize money because he did NOT report the shooter to crimestoppers.

[GrantDawg]

Looks like last year, murder clearance rate in NYC was 47 percent, and rate was 39. That is off the national average which is 57% for murder and 29% for rape. It fluctuates depending on what is going on. New York has among the lowest major crime rates versus other major cities in the country.

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[RainMaker]

I thought it was some old guy at the McDonalds who reported it? He gave an interview on TV.

Manifesto got leaked.

“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

[bhlloy]

It's a lot less romantic of an outcome for it to turn out to be a disaffected, rich kid with a Unabomber fetish/personality disorder than the heartbroken family member driven to murder by the harrowing death of a loved one.

The social media equivalent of the fired up capacity crowd leaving silently with 5 minutes left on the clock in the fourth quarter happening on whichever platform you want to look at right now.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

It's a lot less romantic of an outcome for it to turn out to be a disaffected, rich kid with a Unabomber fetish/personality disorder than the heartbroken family member driven to murder by the harrowing death of a loved one.

The social media equivalent of the fired up capacity crowd leaving silently with 5 minutes left on the clock in the fourth quarter happening on whichever platform you want to look at right now.

And that's just more of a confession with a reason than a manifesto. You expect something a bit longer for a manifesto.

[Ghost Econ]

He should have consulted with Conner Stallions first.

[CrimsonFox]

So was he just waiting at the mcdonalds to get caught then? Was that a backup plan? Has he flipped his lid?

Cheeto will demand martial law to protect all rich people. All rich people will be able to use poor people as shields. It is illegal for poor people to live if rich people die. It is illegal to be poor.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

In the ultimate irony, the mcdonalds employee has been denied the 60K prize money because he did NOT report the shooter to crimestoppers.

I did not know that there was a specific procedure for collecting the reward. Like, this guy is a fugitive and the definition of armed and dangerous, but sure, let me make sure to call Crimestoppers instead of 911 when I spot him while at work. That will encourage people to first make sure the armed dude is neutralized/captured and second reward them for doing my part to keep the public safe.

[GrantDawg]

That is not completely the case. Only $10k is from Crimestoppers. The other $50k is from the FBI. The wistleblower may not get the Crimestopper money (though they might), they can still possibly get some or all the FBI money. That doesn't pay out until the guy is convicted, though. It might be a long wait.

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[Ksyrup]

Well, I'm talking about any money from Crimestoppers. What a stupid fucking rule that is in an active, fugtive-at-large situation. I get the general "Jane Doe was murdered 6 months ago and Crimestoppers will pay $10K for any information to help police move the investigation forward," but in a true public endangerment situation, that's absurd.

McD's will probably claim the rest of the reward because he was on the job anyway. Or maybe they'll write him up for using his personal phone on the clock.

[CrimsonFox]

Who has eyebrows for days that could play him in the TV movie?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I did not know that there was a specific procedure for collecting the reward. Like, this guy is a fugitive and the definition of armed and dangerous, but sure, let me make sure to call Crimestoppers instead of 911 when I spot him while at work. That will encourage people to first make sure the armed dude is neutralized/captured and second reward them for doing my part to keep the public safe.

actually that was just something i saw someone post on reddit and thought it was funny. If it's on reddit IT MUST BE TRUE!

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Who has eyebrows for days that could play him in the TV movie?

The answer is obvious ...

The Franco brothers, James and David, will star in “The Disaster Artist: My Life Inside The Room,” a drama about Tommy Wiseau’s cult favorite “The Room.”

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Well, I'm talking about any money from Crimestoppers. What a stupid fucking rule that is in an active, fugtive-at-large situation. I get the general "Jane Doe was murdered 6 months ago and Crimestoppers will pay $10K for any information to help police move the investigation forward," but in a true public endangerment situation, that's absurd.

McD's will probably claim the rest of the reward because he was on the job anyway. Or maybe they'll write him up for using his personal phone on the clock.

It's not well known but Crime Stoppers is an enormous scam. They raise money as a non-profit and get enormous government grants. Almost never pay out rewards and it's just a slush fund for the people running it.

[Flasch186]

True story

The asterisks and work arounds to not pay out rewards is a known laugh for those in law enforcement


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[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

It's not well known but Crime Stoppers is an enormous scam. They raise money as a non-profit and get enormous government grants. Almost never pay out rewards and it's just a slush fund for the people running it.

Is it run by the KARS 4 KIDS people?

[Edward64]

A little weird he's only charged with 2nd degree murder (right now).

The next steps in Luigi Mangione’s case and why his most serious charge is only second-degree murder | CNN

Under New York state law, a first-degree murder charge only applies to a narrow list of aggravating circumstances — for example, when the victim is a judge, police officer, first responder, or when the killing involves a murder-for-hire or intent to commit terrorism, several legal experts told CNN.

In Mangione’s case, he could be charged with first-degree murder if the investigation uncovers evidence showing he had a plan to commit terrorism, such as plotting the killing of other health insurance executives, said David Shapiro, a lecturer at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

If convicted of second-degree murder, Mangione faces at least 15 years to life in prison, while a first-degree murder charge carries a minimum of 20 years to life in prison.

[GrantDawg]

They did charge him with First Degree murder. As well as Second Degree with an Act of Terrorism. They added seven weapons charges and using a forged document.

[RainMaker]

lol at the terrorism charge

[CrimsonFox]

He hired a big city lawyer tho. She'll get him down to community service

[NobodyHere]

Shock poll: 41 percent of young voters find killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO acceptable

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Shock poll: 41 percent of young voters find killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO acceptable

Another 29% are probably "I don't condone it, but I understand it"

[Ksyrup]

Well, 40% found it unacceptable, so you're category is capped at around 19%.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

lol at the terrorism charge

What UHC does to its customers seems more fitting of the terrorism description, to be honest.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Shock poll: 41 percent of young voters find killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO acceptable

What the hell is the word "voters" doing in there? That's a sham of a sentence.

[flere-imsaho]

Because they used a list of registered voters.

[Ghost Econ]

Anyone else noticed how schizo Reddit is about Mangione? Anytime he does anything or appears anywhere, they treat him like the Messiah. But then there will be something random about him and all the comments are about how he is a patsy.

How does that work? How can he be some mastermind freedom fighter while also being the person who didn't do it and is taking the fall?

[Drake]

Mangione is the left's Eric Rudolph.

[RainMaker]

I think it's 2 things.

1) A lot of people have been fucked over by insurance companies and they view the murder as justified and him as a hero.

2) It's pretty clear the government found him using illegal methods and they don't think he can receive a fair trial. The amount of resources they put into the investigation shows how rigged the justice system is.

[CrimsonFox]

Meanwhile in France...

[cuervo72]

Yeah, France has a certain history with rich types…

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

Anyone else noticed how schizo Reddit is about Mangione? Anytime he does anything or appears anywhere, they treat him like the Messiah. But then there will be something random about him and all the comments are about how he is a patsy.

How does that work? How can he be some mastermind freedom fighter while also being the person who didn't do it and is taking the fall?

It's almost as if the internet is comprised of millions if not billions of individuals and not a single hive mind!