Official 2016 MLB season thread - Page 20

MrBug708 · 10-11-2016, 11:53 PM

Why even pull Moore?

MrBug708 · 10-11-2016, 11:57 PM

Was it me or was Crawford nowhere near the bag?

kingfc22 · 10-12-2016, 12:03 AM

Brutal. Time to write Chapman a huge check this offseason.

Vince, Pt. II · 10-12-2016, 12:08 AM

Fitting that a bullpen meltdown ends the season.

What a fun series that was, even if the Giants lost. Great baseball pretty much the whole way through. I'll have to go back and check, but I think other than the game two win for the Cubs, every single game between these two teams this year was decided by one run.

Logan · 10-12-2016, 12:22 AM

Not sure I've ever seen a half inning that bad, all things considered.

Vince, Pt. II · 10-12-2016, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Not sure I've ever seen a half inning that bad, all things considered.

You obviously haven't watched many Giants games this year then. We balked in a winning run at one point.

mauchow · 10-12-2016, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Not sure I've ever seen a half inning that bad, all things considered.

Last nights 8th inning was a trainwrekck, too.

MrBug708 · 10-12-2016, 01:21 AM

Dodgers inning was pretty bad yesterday, for Kenley at least

AENeuman · 10-12-2016, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Fitting that a bullpen meltdown ends the season.

What a fun series that was, even if the Giants lost. Great baseball pretty much the whole way through. I'll have to go back and check, but I think other than the game two win for the Cubs, every single game between these two teams this year was decided by one run.

MrBug708 · 10-13-2016, 08:49 PM

Having a feeling this is the way today is going to go..

CrescentMoonie · 10-13-2016, 10:06 PM

The difference in strike zones for the two teams tonight is astonishing.

MrBug708 · 10-13-2016, 10:07 PM

I wish I knew who you were talking about because he is awful

Jas_lov · 10-13-2016, 10:15 PM

Harold is right. That's a balk.

CrescentMoonie · 10-13-2016, 10:15 PM

Ump has to call a balk there.

MrBug708 · 10-13-2016, 10:16 PM

I have no idea what a balk actually is. Anyone want to point me to the rule? Reynolds says it's a balk but I can't see it

Vince, Pt. II · 10-13-2016, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

I'll have to go back and check, but I think other than the game two win for the Cubs, every single game between these two teams this year was decided by one run.

5 of the 7 regular season games were decided by one run, and 3 of the 4 post-season games were one-time affairs.

8 of 11 - pretty great baseball between these two teams all year long.

SackAttack · 10-13-2016, 10:18 PM

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/rules/balk

Short answer: the way a balk is defined, any really good pickoff move probably qualifies as a balk on some rule or another, since they're all designed to deceive the runner (which deception is part of the definition of a balk).

SackAttack · 10-13-2016, 10:19 PM

That said, Harold is right - if the foot crosses the rubber, you HAVE to go to home plate.

CrescentMoonie · 10-13-2016, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

That said, Harold is right - if the foot crosses the rubber, you HAVE to go to home plate.

It's not even the rubber, it's the knee on the left leg. Once the right foot crosses the plane of the left knee, it's a balk to go to first.

SackAttack · 10-13-2016, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

It's not even the rubber, it's the knee on the left leg. Once the right foot crosses the plane of the left knee, it's a balk to go to first.

Nope.

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If a lefthanded or right-handed pitcher swings his free foot past the back edge of the pitcher’s rubber, he is required to pitch to the batter except to throw to second base on a pick-off play.

That's from the comment to Rule 6.02(a)(1). You'll find the same thing in the glossary entry I cited above. There is nowhere in the rule a requirement that the foot not cross the knee. It IS explicitly ruled that the foot may not cross the rubber.

Logan · 10-13-2016, 10:43 PM

That had to be one of the worst sends of all time.

MrBug708 · 10-13-2016, 11:06 PM

Turner isn't a CF. He has a terrible jump and terrible angles

CrescentMoonie · 10-13-2016, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Turner isn't a CF. He has a terrible jump and terrible angles

He had never played CF before July.

MrBug708 · 10-14-2016, 12:17 AM

So Kershaw is getting loose..

Vince, Pt. II · 10-14-2016, 12:31 AM

Seriously?

(Watching via yahoo box score, serious question)

jbergey22 · 10-14-2016, 12:34 AM

Some good baseball being played this postseason. And Kershaw is in to close.

MrBug708 · 10-14-2016, 12:35 AM

Murphy is going to hit it hard. I just hope it is to somebody directly

CrescentMoonie · 10-14-2016, 12:36 AM

Regardless of the outcome, what a ridiculously entertaining series.

Vince, Pt. II · 10-14-2016, 12:38 AM

What a moment. Anticlimactic end, but still.

jbergey22 · 10-14-2016, 12:43 AM

Great game and series. My biggest question was why was Sherzer taken out after 99 pitches? He gives up a lot of home runs but knows how to win and has been one of the best pitchers in baseball for awhile. I would have stuck with him much further I guess. At least until more signs of trouble than a solo home run in which Pederson just had a great swing against a tough pitch.

MrBug708 · 10-14-2016, 01:00 AM

Not feeling great with Maeda going up in Game 1 against the Cubs. An odd stat is that Maeda, Kershaw, and Hill didnt face the Cubs this year

CrescentMoonie · 10-14-2016, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Great game and series. My biggest question was why was Sherzer taken out after 99 pitches? He gives up a lot of home runs but knows how to win and has been one of the best pitchers in baseball for awhile. I would have stuck with him much further I guess. At least until more signs of trouble than a solo home run in which Pederson just had a great swing against a tough pitch.

Easy, Dusty Baker is historically bad at managing a pitching staff. He managed this like a game on September 20 with a 40 man roster and playoff position already locked up.

stevew · 10-14-2016, 01:49 AM

Didn't watch the game, but it's absolutely hilarious how much Werth was out by.

Butter · 10-14-2016, 07:53 AM

What? A Dusty Baker team lost in the first round after having a series lead? No way!

frnk55 · 10-14-2016, 08:27 AM

LA is going to piss off many people when they beat the cubs.

MrBug708 · 10-14-2016, 11:03 AM

I don't think the Dodgers will be anything but 0-2 coming back to LA

Butter · 10-14-2016, 12:28 PM

Thought this was pretty great if you didn't get a chance to see it.

WATCH: Vin Scully delights America on Jimmy Kimmel Live

kingfc22 · 10-14-2016, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Didn't watch the game, but it's absolutely hilarious how much Werth was out by.

And why was the 3B coach essentially in left field instead of 2/3rds down the base line to give a late stop?

Young Drachma · 10-14-2016, 08:39 PM

We'll see how the Jays do. I hope they learned from last year and at least they're getting runners on base, but I hope they can convert before it's too late. I think the psych advantage of a 1-0 lead would be huge for them. Hoping the moment is too big for this Cleveland team.

EagleFan · 10-14-2016, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

And why was the 3B coach essentially in left field instead of 2/3rds down the base line to give a late stop?

He was at teh base when he was waving him around; not sure why he went into left after Werth passed the base. I have no clue why he was waving him home, you could already see there was no chance by the time he reaching third.

MrBug708 · 10-15-2016, 08:49 PM

Not quite as bad as Jason Werth getting thrown out but Gonzalez was sent on a play he shouldn't have. But with Maeda pitching, they need to take as many chances as possible

Neuqua · 10-15-2016, 09:04 PM

That was clearly a mistake there but man, Javy may be my favorite player in all of baseball.

MrBug708 · 10-15-2016, 10:20 PM

Even Baez didn't feel like testing Puig's arm

Coffee Warlord · 10-15-2016, 10:30 PM

Not sure I'da pulled Lester here, with two outs already.

MrBug708 · 10-15-2016, 11:25 PM

Roberts taking a huge risk here

MrBug708 · 10-15-2016, 11:29 PM

That risk was blown up

MrBug708 · 10-15-2016, 11:29 PM

Wonder if Fowler gets hit next time he's up

MrBug708 · 10-15-2016, 11:51 PM

Man, what a game to lose. Roberts intentionally walked a .188 hitter to load the bases just to get rid of Chapman? He has pressed many of the right buttons this season, but this was a terrible decision. No way around how bad the decision was. Coghlan is a bad hitter. Period. With all the momentum in the Dodgers favor, I felt they would win this game once it was tied at 3. This loss is going to sting.

Jas_lov · 10-16-2016, 01:27 PM

And if you were going to intentionally walk him why not bring in a lefty to face Montero or Kenley Jansen? "But it was a tie game on the road." That's Buck Showalter level thinking.

Then there was the pitch selection to Montero. Blanton hangs a slider on the 0-1 count and Montero somehow misses it. So what do they call on 0-2? The exact same pitch. Idiots.

MrBug708 · 10-16-2016, 09:45 PM

Uh, Joe? Baez didn't "let" it fall, it just fell in front. He thought he had AGon doubled up at second

I guess it wasnt high enough for the infield fly rule?

10-12-2016, 12:03 AM	#953
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Brutal. Time to write Chapman a huge check this offseason. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

10-13-2016, 10:43 PM	#971
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	That had to be one of the worst sends of all time. Last edited by Logan : 10-13-2016 at 10:43 PM.

10-14-2016, 12:43 AM	#980
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Great game and series. My biggest question was why was Sherzer taken out after 99 pitches? He gives up a lot of home runs but knows how to win and has been one of the best pitchers in baseball for awhile. I would have stuck with him much further I guess. At least until more signs of trouble than a solo home run in which Pederson just had a great swing against a tough pitch. Last edited by jbergey22 : 10-14-2016 at 12:56 AM.

10-14-2016, 07:53 AM	#984
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	What? A Dusty Baker team lost in the first round after having a series lead? No way! __________________ My listening habits

10-14-2016, 12:28 PM	#987
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Thought this was pretty great if you didn't get a chance to see it. WATCH: Vin Scully delights America on Jimmy Kimmel Live __________________ My listening habits

10-11-2016, 11:53 PM	#951
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Why even pull Moore?

10-11-2016, 11:57 PM	#952
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Was it me or was Crawford nowhere near the bag?

10-12-2016, 12:08 AM	#954
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Fitting that a bullpen meltdown ends the season. What a fun series that was, even if the Giants lost. Great baseball pretty much the whole way through. I'll have to go back and check, but I think other than the game two win for the Cubs, every single game between these two teams this year was decided by one run.

10-12-2016, 12:22 AM	#955
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Not sure I've ever seen a half inning that bad, all things considered.

10-12-2016, 01:21 AM	#958
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Dodgers inning was pretty bad yesterday, for Kenley at least

10-13-2016, 08:49 PM	#960
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Having a feeling this is the way today is going to go..

10-13-2016, 10:06 PM	#961
CrescentMoonie College Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Earth, the semi-final frontier.	The difference in strike zones for the two teams tonight is astonishing.

10-13-2016, 10:07 PM	#962
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I wish I knew who you were talking about because he is awful

10-13-2016, 10:15 PM	#963
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Harold is right. That's a balk.

10-13-2016, 10:15 PM	#964
CrescentMoonie College Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Earth, the semi-final frontier.	Ump has to call a balk there.

10-13-2016, 10:16 PM	#965
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I have no idea what a balk actually is. Anyone want to point me to the rule? Reynolds says it's a balk but I can't see it

10-13-2016, 10:18 PM	#967
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	http://m.mlb.com/glossary/rules/balk Short answer: the way a balk is defined, any really good pickoff move probably qualifies as a balk on some rule or another, since they're all designed to deceive the runner (which deception is part of the definition of a balk).

10-13-2016, 10:19 PM	#968
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	That said, Harold is right - if the foot crosses the rubber, you HAVE to go to home plate.

10-13-2016, 11:06 PM	#972
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Turner isn't a CF. He has a terrible jump and terrible angles

10-14-2016, 12:17 AM	#974
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	So Kershaw is getting loose..

10-14-2016, 12:31 AM	#975
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Seriously? (Watching via yahoo box score, serious question)

10-14-2016, 12:34 AM	#976
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Some good baseball being played this postseason. And Kershaw is in to close.

10-14-2016, 12:35 AM	#977
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Murphy is going to hit it hard. I just hope it is to somebody directly

10-14-2016, 12:36 AM	#978
CrescentMoonie College Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Earth, the semi-final frontier.	Regardless of the outcome, what a ridiculously entertaining series.

10-14-2016, 12:38 AM	#979
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	What a moment. Anticlimactic end, but still.

10-14-2016, 01:00 AM	#981
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Not feeling great with Maeda going up in Game 1 against the Cubs. An odd stat is that Maeda, Kershaw, and Hill didnt face the Cubs this year

10-14-2016, 01:49 AM	#983
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Didn't watch the game, but it's absolutely hilarious how much Werth was out by.

10-14-2016, 08:27 AM	#985
frnk55 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2006	LA is going to piss off many people when they beat the cubs.

10-14-2016, 11:03 AM	#986
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I don't think the Dodgers will be anything but 0-2 coming back to LA

10-14-2016, 08:39 PM	#989
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	We'll see how the Jays do. I hope they learned from last year and at least they're getting runners on base, but I hope they can convert before it's too late. I think the psych advantage of a 1-0 lead would be huge for them. Hoping the moment is too big for this Cleveland team. __________________ Current dynasty: OOTP25 Blitz: RTS meets Moneyball \| OOTP Mod: GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

10-15-2016, 08:49 PM	#991
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Not quite as bad as Jason Werth getting thrown out but Gonzalez was sent on a play he shouldn't have. But with Maeda pitching, they need to take as many chances as possible

10-15-2016, 09:04 PM	#992
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	That was clearly a mistake there but man, Javy may be my favorite player in all of baseball. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

10-15-2016, 10:20 PM	#993
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Even Baez didn't feel like testing Puig's arm

10-15-2016, 10:30 PM	#994
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Not sure I'da pulled Lester here, with two outs already.

10-15-2016, 11:25 PM	#995
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Roberts taking a huge risk here