Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win! - Page 20

SnDvls · 02-13-2006, 01:47 PM

I'll join you Blade.

vote AlanT

if it ends in a two pony race between him and RA then that's only good for us.

Blade6119 · 02-13-2006, 01:49 PM

Ill be back in an hour...

Spleen, if you say you trust me you will follow me in this matter...if you want to build a bigger circle of trust, vote alan...im fairly certain hes a wolf now

spleen1015 · 02-13-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Unfortunately i cant give you what you want at the current time for various reasons, so i can only reccomend this course of action over the one you want to take...trust me when i say that pains me not to help, but i cant at the current time on this matter

This is why it sucks that I am going to be gone for the night in about an hour.

Dammit. I'll let you know before I sign off for the day.

Desnudo · 02-13-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Alright then, ill play along...

Spleen, you ask me to follow you in not voting penny...fair enough...follow my lead in this one

VOTE ALANT

You have somewhat earned my trust...now get your friends to follow me in this vote(for alan, who started the vote against mr. w)..i have played up trust for him all day to see if he would react. He reacted how i expected. Nothing about odds, this is about play. If i had to bet anyone right now it would be ALANT...you want me to trust you, then you gotta give a little back too

Can you give the lazy the cliff note's version of how he reacted?

SnDvls · 02-13-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Can you give the lazy the cliff note's version of how he reacted?

he hasn't to the vote yet, although I saw him lurking just on a moment ago so we should see soon.

Alan T · 02-13-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

dola

UNVOTE PENNY
VOTE ALANT

Never unvoted

A curious move, since I mainly was pushing against the people who were blindly following your lead, I wonder why you suddenly are interested in removing me. I guess we will see how this goes, I don't have any alliance to save me nor any special role to reveal, so I'll be easy to take down if you have enough people hop on me like you did to Penny.

Wish I could do more to defend myself, but All I can go on is my actions.

Blade6119 · 02-13-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Can you give the lazy the cliff note's version of how he reacted?

Not so much a reaction to any one thing...its his general demeanor...analyzing how he played his first two games(one wolf one villager) it just fits...

Blade6119 · 02-13-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

he hasn't to the vote yet, although I saw him lurking just on a moment ago so we should see soon.

he was lurking for quite some time to be exact....quite some time...during the whole reveal of trust thing

Blade6119 · 02-13-2006, 01:53 PM

King is here...wouldnt mind hearing a comment from him...hes been awol for awhile

Blade6119 · 02-13-2006, 01:54 PM

and im off to take the test...ill be back in about an hour and a half...i hope alan doesnt sway all of you before i get back lol

Desnudo · 02-13-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Not so much a reaction to any one thing...its his general demeanor...analyzing how he played his first two games(one wolf one villager) it just fits...

Can you be a little more specific? Like how is it different? I'm not against throwing a rock in the pond, but I'd like to know a little more.

Alan T · 02-13-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

he was lurking for quite some time to be exact....quite some time...during the whole reveal of trust thing

Ive been on here all day, mainly been trying to see if Hoops was legit or not, and was interested in seeing what he had to say. Just didnt have much to comment on it until after his response.

Alan T · 02-13-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

and im off to take the test...ill be back in about an hour and a half...i hope alan doesnt sway all of you before i get back lol

I doubt i will sway many anyone. I'm not quite as charasmatic as you are. My guess is this vote will go down to the same group of people who will follow your vote because you give people a reason to vote for someone. Just like with penny, people wanted to tag along to your reasoning as just something to go on. Im sure another group of people will likely not vote with you because of the normal reasons they don't seem to like your votes. And then a third group of people likely will just toss votes at other people wanting to stay out of another vote like day 1. Either way should be interesting to watch. Wish I could defend myself more, but its hard for me to defend myself against someone saying He's a wolf because I believe he is!

KWhit · 02-13-2006, 02:00 PM

I have no reason to trust or distrust Alan T at this point. I think there's likely a better choice out there.

Time to start digging.

hoopsguy · 02-13-2006, 02:01 PM

Alan, if I vote for you it will be because I was already moving in that direction. Not to appease Blade. I'm not at the level of trust for him where I want to do that quite yet.

PackerFanatic · 02-13-2006, 02:02 PM

Holy balls, that is a lot of posts since last night...

Alan T · 02-13-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Alan, if I vote for you it will be because I was already moving in that direction. Not to appease Blade. I'm not at the level of trust for him where I want to do that quite yet.

I honestly don't really have any trust for anyone right now unfortunatly. I have a feeling that I won't have much in the way of support as I don't have any faction or such to speak. My main point earlier was simply people should give their reasons for why they vote someone, not just because "echo what whoever said" If people vote me to be lynched it will stink for me, but good for our team if enough people give their reasons for doing it, and give enough information to go on for the next day.

I feel better about you than I did since it seems a significant number of people trust you enough to think that group is likely not wolves, but I got in trouble just now for questioning what i felt was a bandwagon without any explanation other than from one person on someone I didnt feel confident to be a wolf. If I saved another innocent villager with those actions, then at least I acomplished something I hope before I go

spleen1015 · 02-13-2006, 02:04 PM

I don't think I can move my vote at this point.

I am not confident in voting for Alan T. I was getting a feeling of trust from him earlier today and that feeling is still there right now.

Right now, I am still voting for Raiders. That could change int he next hour before I go, but I doubt it. If I was going to be here for the entire time this evening, I would be more willing to change my vote because I'd have time to change it back.

Once 4pm EST gets here, I will be unable to change my vote for the rest of the night, so I need to stand pat.

Sorry, Blade. Hopefully, I can show you the same level of trust on Day 3. If I was going to be around tonight, I think I would be with you.

PackerFanatic · 02-13-2006, 02:07 PM

You can all trust me....

Swaggs · 02-13-2006, 02:09 PM

For what it is worth, I am not sure whether or not Blade is a survivor or other, but I feel like he is lying about his role.

He has the ability to see night actions (maybe someone slipped him a note?).

He has the ability to kill up to two others if they try to attack him, but would die a simple death if lynched. I don't buy this. I do not see any possible way that you would reveal this or be so accusatory in the early game. If I had this power, I would be quiet and lay low, hoping that the others would try to pick me off. Also, I watch Lost and I do not feel like these powers, beyond observational and, perhaps, being able to tell whether one of us is good/evil, fits into the "character" of the Black Smoke on the show. There is also no indication that the Black Smoke is something that can even be attacked. Someone like Sawyer or Locke seem more likely to be able to counter-attack, in my opinion.

And he has some other knowledge about AlanT?

This just seems like too powerful of a character to me.

Alan T · 02-13-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

I'll join you Blade.

vote AlanT

if it ends in a two pony race between him and RA then that's only good for us.

I don't like that you voted for me, but can you at least give your reasons to? Right now this feels exactly like Penny's vote did earlier that I protested to. Someone playing on a hunch then alot of other people just following along without giving any reasons. If everyone just votes without reasons, it makes it far too easy for wolves to slip in there and hide.

KWhit · 02-13-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

For what it is worth, I am not sure whether or not Blade is a survivor or other, but I feel like he is lying about his role.

He has the ability to see night actions (maybe someone slipped him a note?).

He has the ability to kill up to two others if they try to attack him, but would die a simple death if lynched. I don't buy this. I do not see any possible way that you would reveal this or be so accusatory in the early game. If I had this power, I would be quiet and lay low, hoping that the others would try to pick me off. Also, I watch Lost and I do not feel like these powers, beyond observational and, perhaps, being able to tell whether one of us is good/evil, fits into the "character" of the Black Smoke on the show. There is also no indication that the Black Smoke is something that can even be attacked. Someone like Sawyer or Locke seem more likely to be able to counter-attack, in my opinion.

And he has some other knowledge about AlanT?

This just seems like too powerful of a character to me.

I'm with you. Something is definitely not right there. He has even hinted that there is more to his role than he is letting on, which would make him even more powerful.

kingfc22 · 02-13-2006, 02:17 PM

still trying to catch up...

Desnudo · 02-13-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

For what it is worth, I am not sure whether or not Blade is a survivor or other, but I feel like he is lying about his role.

He has the ability to see night actions (maybe someone slipped him a note?).

He has the ability to kill up to two others if they try to attack him, but would die a simple death if lynched. I don't buy this. I do not see any possible way that you would reveal this or be so accusatory in the early game. If I had this power, I would be quiet and lay low, hoping that the others would try to pick me off. Also, I watch Lost and I do not feel like these powers, beyond observational and, perhaps, being able to tell whether one of us is good/evil, fits into the "character" of the Black Smoke on the show. There is also no indication that the Black Smoke is something that can even be attacked. Someone like Sawyer or Locke seem more likely to be able to counter-attack, in my opinion.

And he has some other knowledge about AlanT?

This just seems like too powerful of a character to me.

Agree. Like I said earlier, I think there's some truth in the story, but we need to either verify it or clarify what is the real deal. My impression is that he seems to be trying to walk a line where he gives the Others a reason not to kill him at night and us not to hang him during the day.

SnDvls · 02-13-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't like that you voted for me, but can you at least give your reasons to? Right now this feels exactly like Penny's vote did earlier that I protested to. Someone playing on a hunch then alot of other people just following along without giving any reasons. If everyone just votes without reasons, it makes it far too easy for wolves to slip in there and hide.

I didn't vote for penny.

just like I said I'd like to make it a two pony race. It seems the hoops group is leaning towards RA. right now it's early and you have 2 votes with at least 2 or 3 other people out there with 1. let's see how the group that is all vouching for eachother plays this out. I don't think you have anything to worry about right now with only 2 votes on you and several in the click not moving onto you either. I mostly trust Blade and I'll throw my vote here until I see otherwise.

Alan T · 02-13-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

I didn't vote for penny.

just like I said I'd like to make it a two pony race. It seems the hoops group is leaning towards RA. right now it's early and you have 2 votes with at least 2 or 3 other people out there with 1. let's see how the group that is all vouching for eachother plays this out. I don't think you have anything to worry about right now with only 2 votes on you and several in the click not moving onto you either. I mostly trust Blade and I'll throw my vote here until I see otherwise.

Thanks for the reasoning, thats all I was looking for. I'm not really worried because there isn't much anything I can do unfortunatly to save myself here. All I can go on is my actions and my well meaning attempts to try to get us in the right directcion

SnDvls · 02-13-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Thanks for the reasoning, thats all I was looking for. I'm not really worried because there isn't much anything I can do unfortunatly to save myself here. All I can go on is my actions and my well meaning attempts to try to get us in the right directcion

you might not be able to save yourself, but someone else might be albe to ala a duke role, if it even exists in this game. I'm more than willing to listen, but right now we've got nothing to go on. If I were you I'd really want to know where the hoops group is going at this point because that should be three votes right there.

Swaggs · 02-13-2006, 02:25 PM

Can someone present the case against RA to me?

Not that there is always a good, conclusive reason to vote against someone this early, but if others are seeing stuff than I am not, I'd appreciate the knowledge.

Celeval · 02-13-2006, 02:28 PM

21 players.

2 dead, both named.
4? assumed to be "simple survivors".

That leaves 15 players.

If we're to make the assumption that a simple survivor has a name that is not associated with them except for flavor upon death, then we're looking at 6 (7 including me for me, since I know me; or you for you if you're not a special) known non-specials, and 1 self-identified special.

If we're to make the assumption that if you're named, then you have a role, then we've already lost two specials, know a third, and know about 4 (5) non-specials.

How does that match up with the breakdown of specials/non-specials in previous games?

KWhit · 02-13-2006, 02:28 PM

Another thing that seems odd to me is that Blade claims AE gave him the choice of which group to align himself with. He could either win if the survivors win or he could win if the Others win. If I were creating a game, I don't think I'd give him that choice as his decision would affect game balance.

He also made this comment in post #140.

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

As much as it pisses me off im not an "other" either...im honestly wondering if GMs actively make me a non-wolf...its like they dont want me to have fun...ive actually begun and indian dance ritual i call "rain evil please." its really getting annoying...hell, i bet sun is a wolf again...hes a wolf every damn game...sun always taking my spot

YOU HEAR THAT ARDENT!!! IM ON TO YOUR GAME!!!!!

Yes, the post was made somewhat jokingly, but I think if he were given the choice like he claims, I think it's very possible he would have chosen to be affiliated with the Others.

Alan T · 02-13-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Celeval

21 players.

2 dead, both named.
4? assumed to be "simple survivors".

That leaves 15 players.

If we're to make the assumption that a simple survivor has a name that is not associated with them except for flavor upon death, then we're looking at 6 (7 including me for me, since I know me; or you for you if you're not a special) known non-specials, and 1 self-identified special.

If we're to make the assumption that if you're named, then you have a role, then we've already lost two specials, know a third, and know about 4 (5) non-specials.

How does that match up with the breakdown of specials/non-specials in previous games?

Usually like 3-5 good roles and then 2-3 bad roles for a game this size I guess.

Desnudo · 02-13-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Can someone present the case against RA to me?

Not that there is always a good, conclusive reason to vote against someone this early, but if others are seeing stuff than I am not, I'd appreciate the knowledge.

I believe the crux of the argument is that the wolves would be likely to spread their votes out, so that someone who voted for King is likely an Other. Then you look at who is in that group and RA is the one that pops out as most suspicious. Or the least unsuspicious.

Besides that, nothing comes to mind that really implicates RA. Of course we are still on day 2, so I would be shocked if we had a lock, stock, and barrel situation.

spleen1015 · 02-13-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Can someone present the case against RA to me?

Not that there is always a good, conclusive reason to vote against someone this early, but if others are seeing stuff than I am not, I'd appreciate the knowledge.

I voted for RA because he voted for me. If he were a simple survivor like me, I don't see any reason to vote for me. Maybe he didn't see the clues or maybe he got a different PM. I made this vote before I realized that, but that is not enough cause for me to move the vote, IMO.

I haven't been given any reason to move that vote and there are a lot of folks you have him on their mistrust list...

I'm not going to move my vote without cause. It just doesn't make any sense to me to do so.

Swaggs · 02-13-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Another thing that seems odd to me is that Blade claims AE gave him the choice of which group to align himself with. He could either win if the survivors win or he could win if the Others win. If I were creating a game, I don't think I'd give him that choice as his decision would affect game balance.

He also made this comment in post #140.

Yes, the post was made somewhat jokingly, but I think if he were given the choice like he claims, I think it's very possible he would have chosen to be affiliated with the Others.

and, if true, why align so early? If his goal is to win, then wouldn't the smart money be on waiting a few days to see how things shake out?

SnDvls · 02-13-2006, 02:33 PM

anyone got a vote breakdown or now what post # the last one was on?

SnDvls · 02-13-2006, 02:33 PM

dola - know not now damn!!

Alan T · 02-13-2006, 02:33 PM

This is today's so far:

(523) Blade votes pennywise (1)
(576) spleen votes blade (1)
(595) mckerney votes pennywise (2)
(701) hoopsguy votes pennywise (3)
(720) raiders votes spleen (1)
(728) spleen UNVOTES Blade (0)
(728) spleen votes raiders (1)
(730) Alan votes mckerney (1)
(775) Celeval votes kwhit (1)
(788) Saldana votes Celeval (1)
(858) hoops UNVOTES Pennywise (2)
(946) blade UNVOTES pennywise (1)
(946) blade votes Alan T (1)
(951) sndvls votes Alan T (2)

SnDvls · 02-13-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

and, if true, why align so early? If his goal is to win, then wouldn't the smart money be on waiting a few days to see how things shake out?

usually you have to choose in this role prior to day 1 getting underway. I've seen it talked about in other WW threads.

spleen1015 · 02-13-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Another thing that seems odd to me is that Blade claims AE gave him the choice of which group to align himself with. He could either win if the survivors win or he could win if the Others win. If I were creating a game, I don't think I'd give him that choice as his decision would affect game balance.

He also made this comment in post #140.

Yes, the post was made somewhat jokingly, but I think if he were given the choice like he claims, I think it's very possible he would have chosen to be affiliated with the Others.

Man. This doesn't look good to me either KWhit. Nice find.

kingfc22 · 02-13-2006, 02:35 PM

I can not remember a WW game with so many people forming small groups. Just seems odd to me.

As far as Blade's reveal goes, I'm not sure how much I buy it. I have the same thoughts that Swaggs posted in post #971. I think Blade has a role, but I don't see how it can be the swiss-army knife of roles. It almost seems like he is a witness, blessed, and counter-attacker.

For today's vote, I was leaning towards penny before I read these last eight zillion posts, but I'm inclined to believe spleen and hoops right now. I just buy there story more if you will. That leaves RA and Blade that voted for me on day 1. I know that I'm not an other, so that gives me a 50/50 shot at hitting one since I do believe that at least one other voted for me. I highly doubt that a single other did not vote for me.

So with that said I'm going to....

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

hoopsguy · 02-13-2006, 02:38 PM

KWhit, I thought the exact same thing on Blad'es role earlier, but was in "read-only" mode while I was at my client site earlier this morning. Glad that you brought this up.

I don't think our "group" is going to be voting in lockstep. Spleen has made it pretty clear he is out for the night soon and will likely leave his vote on Raiders. I would need a lot of convincing to put my vote on Raiders.

Desnudo and Alan T are the guys that I expressed unease about earlier and I'm not in any better place on either one as of now. I voted initially for Tanglewood on Day 1 but didn't find anyone willing to head that direction with me. If I'm going to be wrong on my vote, I guess I would rather be wrong and vote out someone who is playing the role of a mime in this game. Alan T and Desnudo both offer more risk/reward; given some information to work with I think my vote is likely to end up on one of them.

Assuming there is a seer in this game, who would you want them to look at tonight?
1.) Going to assume neither Charlie or Hurley was the seer
2.) I don't think I've played in a WW game yet that didn't involve a seer
3.) I would probably have them scope out Blade or Alan T (assuming they are both around post-lynch). I'm always willing to be scanned, but I don't think that is optimal because it won't reveal an other and because I think I've started to gather some measure of trust.

spleen1015 · 02-13-2006, 02:41 PM

What exactly does a seer do?

Desnudo · 02-13-2006, 02:41 PM

9. tanglewood
10. Schmidty
21. bearcat729

People who have hardly been heard from. Unless there's a pressing need to ensure a tie break or some real evidence comes forward, I think my vote will go to one of these three.

spleen1015 · 02-13-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

9. tanglewood
10. Schmidty
21. bearcat729

People who have hardly been heard from. Unless there's a pressing need to ensure a tie break or some real evidence comes forward, I think my vote will go to one of these three.

I have a hard time believing a wolf is among the inactive. I haven't even seen those guys browsing the thread much. A wolf is such an important part of the game. You have to be paying attention.

Being a wolf is too important to be inactive.

hoopsguy · 02-13-2006, 02:44 PM

Another thing to keep in mind on our "group" as it stands right now - if there is a conversion power in the game for the others, then it is probably heading towards one of us tonight or tomorrow at the latest. I would think waiting is only an option if we lynch a survivor today.

hoopsguy · 02-13-2006, 02:45 PM

Spleen, a wolf can view the site as a guest instead of being logged in.

Right now there are 8 members and 4 guests viewing the thread.

spleen1015 · 02-13-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Spleen, a wolf can view the site as a guest instead of being logged in.

Right now there are 8 members and 4 guests viewing the thread.

There you have it. Experience.

Alan T · 02-13-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Spleen, a wolf can view the site as a guest instead of being logged in.

Right now there are 8 members and 4 guests viewing the thread.

Has there ever been a wolf who played the pretending to not be around game to slide by? I have seen a few who were really quiet, but you saw them in the thread from time to time.

spleen1015 · 02-13-2006, 02:47 PM

How do the GMs pick who gets what role? Do they go random or pick themselves?

Do they all do it differently?

Desnudo · 02-13-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

I have a hard time believing a wolf is among the inactive. I haven't even seen those guys browsing the thread much. A wolf is such an important part of the game. You have to be paying attention.

Being a wolf is too important to be inactive.

Maybe. I think the strategy outlined by Alan T last game involved having a vocal and a quiet. I'm not convinced any of the three are others, but I'm also not convinced that either Alan T or RA is. Absent any decent evidence besides speculation, I'm inclined to get rid of people who aren't contributing anything. Also, towards the end game, people who haven't participated at all can create really confusing situations, even if they are innocent.

02-13-2006, 01:49 PM	#952
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	Ill be back in an hour... Spleen, if you say you trust me you will follow me in this matter...if you want to build a bigger circle of trust, vote alan...im fairly certain hes a wolf now __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

02-13-2006, 01:53 PM	#959
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	King is here...wouldnt mind hearing a comment from him...hes been awol for awhile __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

02-13-2006, 01:54 PM	#960
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	and im off to take the test...ill be back in about an hour and a half...i hope alan doesnt sway all of you before i get back lol __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

02-13-2006, 02:02 PM	#966
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Holy balls, that is a lot of posts since last night... __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

02-13-2006, 02:07 PM	#969
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	You can all trust me.... __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

02-13-2006, 01:47 PM	#951
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	I'll join you Blade. vote AlanT if it ends in a two pony race between him and RA then that's only good for us.

02-13-2006, 02:00 PM	#964
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I have no reason to trust or distrust Alan T at this point. I think there's likely a better choice out there. Time to start digging.

02-13-2006, 02:01 PM	#965
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Alan, if I vote for you it will be because I was already moving in that direction. Not to appease Blade. I'm not at the level of trust for him where I want to do that quite yet.

02-13-2006, 02:04 PM	#968
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	I don't think I can move my vote at this point. I am not confident in voting for Alan T. I was getting a feeling of trust from him earlier today and that feeling is still there right now. Right now, I am still voting for Raiders. That could change int he next hour before I go, but I doubt it. If I was going to be here for the entire time this evening, I would be more willing to change my vote because I'd have time to change it back. Once 4pm EST gets here, I will be unable to change my vote for the rest of the night, so I need to stand pat. Sorry, Blade. Hopefully, I can show you the same level of trust on Day 3. If I was going to be around tonight, I think I would be with you.

02-13-2006, 02:09 PM	#970
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	For what it is worth, I am not sure whether or not Blade is a survivor or other, but I feel like he is lying about his role. He has the ability to see night actions (maybe someone slipped him a note?). He has the ability to kill up to two others if they try to attack him, but would die a simple death if lynched. I don't buy this. I do not see any possible way that you would reveal this or be so accusatory in the early game. If I had this power, I would be quiet and lay low, hoping that the others would try to pick me off. Also, I watch Lost and I do not feel like these powers, beyond observational and, perhaps, being able to tell whether one of us is good/evil, fits into the "character" of the Black Smoke on the show. There is also no indication that the Black Smoke is something that can even be attacked. Someone like Sawyer or Locke seem more likely to be able to counter-attack, in my opinion. And he has some other knowledge about AlanT? This just seems like too powerful of a character to me. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

02-13-2006, 02:17 PM	#973
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	still trying to catch up... __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

02-13-2006, 02:25 PM	#978
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Can someone present the case against RA to me? Not that there is always a good, conclusive reason to vote against someone this early, but if others are seeing stuff than I am not, I'd appreciate the knowledge. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

02-13-2006, 02:28 PM	#979
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	21 players. 2 dead, both named. 4? assumed to be "simple survivors". That leaves 15 players. If we're to make the assumption that a simple survivor has a name that is not associated with them except for flavor upon death, then we're looking at 6 (7 including me for me, since I know me; or you for you if you're not a special) known non-specials, and 1 self-identified special. If we're to make the assumption that if you're named, then you have a role, then we've already lost two specials, know a third, and know about 4 (5) non-specials. How does that match up with the breakdown of specials/non-specials in previous games?

02-13-2006, 02:33 PM	#985
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	anyone got a vote breakdown or now what post # the last one was on?

02-13-2006, 02:33 PM	#986
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	dola - know not now damn!!

02-13-2006, 02:33 PM	#987
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	This is today's so far: (523) Blade votes pennywise (1) (576) spleen votes blade (1) (595) mckerney votes pennywise (2) (701) hoopsguy votes pennywise (3) (720) raiders votes spleen (1) (728) spleen UNVOTES Blade (0) (728) spleen votes raiders (1) (730) Alan votes mckerney (1) (775) Celeval votes kwhit (1) (788) Saldana votes Celeval (1) (858) hoops UNVOTES Pennywise (2) (946) blade UNVOTES pennywise (1) (946) blade votes Alan T (1) (951) sndvls votes Alan T (2)

02-13-2006, 02:35 PM	#990
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	I can not remember a WW game with so many people forming small groups. Just seems odd to me. As far as Blade's reveal goes, I'm not sure how much I buy it. I have the same thoughts that Swaggs posted in post #971. I think Blade has a role, but I don't see how it can be the swiss-army knife of roles. It almost seems like he is a witness, blessed, and counter-attacker. For today's vote, I was leaning towards penny before I read these last eight zillion posts, but I'm inclined to believe spleen and hoops right now. I just buy there story more if you will. That leaves RA and Blade that voted for me on day 1. I know that I'm not an other, so that gives me a 50/50 shot at hitting one since I do believe that at least one other voted for me. I highly doubt that a single other did not vote for me. So with that said I'm going to.... VOTE RAIDERS ARMY __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

02-13-2006, 02:38 PM	#991
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	KWhit, I thought the exact same thing on Blad'es role earlier, but was in "read-only" mode while I was at my client site earlier this morning. Glad that you brought this up. I don't think our "group" is going to be voting in lockstep. Spleen has made it pretty clear he is out for the night soon and will likely leave his vote on Raiders. I would need a lot of convincing to put my vote on Raiders. Desnudo and Alan T are the guys that I expressed unease about earlier and I'm not in any better place on either one as of now. I voted initially for Tanglewood on Day 1 but didn't find anyone willing to head that direction with me. If I'm going to be wrong on my vote, I guess I would rather be wrong and vote out someone who is playing the role of a mime in this game. Alan T and Desnudo both offer more risk/reward; given some information to work with I think my vote is likely to end up on one of them. Assuming there is a seer in this game, who would you want them to look at tonight? 1.) Going to assume neither Charlie or Hurley was the seer 2.) I don't think I've played in a WW game yet that didn't involve a seer 3.) I would probably have them scope out Blade or Alan T (assuming they are both around post-lynch). I'm always willing to be scanned, but I don't think that is optimal because it won't reveal an other and because I think I've started to gather some measure of trust.

02-13-2006, 02:41 PM	#992
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	What exactly does a seer do?

02-13-2006, 02:41 PM	#993
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	9. tanglewood 10. Schmidty 21. bearcat729 People who have hardly been heard from. Unless there's a pressing need to ensure a tie break or some real evidence comes forward, I think my vote will go to one of these three.

02-13-2006, 02:44 PM	#995
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Another thing to keep in mind on our "group" as it stands right now - if there is a conversion power in the game for the others, then it is probably heading towards one of us tonight or tomorrow at the latest. I would think waiting is only an option if we lynch a survivor today.

02-13-2006, 02:45 PM	#996
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Spleen, a wolf can view the site as a guest instead of being logged in. Right now there are 8 members and 4 guests viewing the thread.

02-13-2006, 02:47 PM	#999
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	How do the GMs pick who gets what role? Do they go random or pick themselves? Do they all do it differently?

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