06-26-2009, 11:57 AM | #951 | |
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Because if Render didn't protect me last night, he can protect me tonight. But if we kill the brutal, the brutal almost certainly takes me with him. Of course, we'll probably lynch one of the two remaining question marks (Tyrith or nfg), and that would clear the need for a scan anyway. But, regardless, if we kill the brutal (assumed to be JAG), 100% certain you lose me AND you still won't know which of nfg and Tyrith is the wolf. So I figure, take out nfg or Tyrith, so we can figure that out. If I also end up living because of it, great, one more villager for a day, and even if it's not needed, I'll throw a scan out there and hope I get a lucky roll for once.
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06-26-2009, 11:59 AM | #952 | |
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If the argument is that we don't need scans, why does it matter which order we do it? |
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06-26-2009, 12:00 PM | #953 |
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It probably doesn't because I think we lynch Tyrith right after NFG even if NFG is the wolf.
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06-26-2009, 12:00 PM | #954 | |
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Why vote the brutal, forcing the loss of a villager as well, and then have to return tomorrow still with the question of nfg/Tyrith to figure out? Why not kill one of the latter two, don't lose a villager for another day, and figure out the last nagging qolf question left to us?
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06-26-2009, 12:01 PM | #955 | |
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Why would we lynch Tyrith instead of a wolf in JAG in that situation?
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06-26-2009, 12:01 PM | #956 |
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06-26-2009, 12:03 PM | #957 |
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Oh I guess that makes sense -- we don't know what Loki's win condition is.
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06-26-2009, 12:03 PM | #958 |
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06-26-2009, 12:04 PM | #959 |
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My point was is lynching Jag is fine because we don't need another scan really. I will go with a lynch of Jag or NFG today.
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06-26-2009, 12:06 PM | #960 | |
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This seems like you're saying we're just going to win anyway no matter what. While that may be true, I think it would be a huge blunder if we get sloppy and lose here. I don't know what all can happen, but I think we should be thinking this through. |
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06-26-2009, 12:08 PM | #961 |
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Not to say that I'm sold on an nfg vote -- I just think there's never a case where we don't need a scan. And maybe JAG's not even the brutal -- maybe he revealed first because he was furthest from the center at the time, or maybe he just happened to be online when Autumn revealed and chose his spot.
I just don't like the "we're going to win anyway" argument, since if you feel that way, you really don't care WHAT we do. |
06-26-2009, 12:13 PM | #962 |
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You're doing a lot of analyzing for not winning with us . It's not that I don't care, i just don't think there will end up being a difference with either direction that we go. And you're right, while it's likely Jag is the brutal, it is not guaranteed.
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06-26-2009, 12:14 PM | #963 |
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That said, I don't think the wolves really know who is closest to center since Lathum died. I know I have no real clue how close the center I am.
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06-26-2009, 12:16 PM | #964 |
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I lie about my scans to try and confuse people. Safest way to go.
Unfortunately I did not stop anything last night, nor saw anyone around my intended protect-ee. |
06-26-2009, 12:17 PM | #965 | |
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I do win with you guys -- if the wolves win, there's no way I can win. So I hope my analysis is taken as well-intentioned, since I need you guys to beat the wolves. You're probably right that they don't know for sure. But they might have a decent guess, based on who has wasted more time running into dead ends and such. |
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06-26-2009, 12:32 PM | #966 |
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Anyone know the villager to wolf ratio? How many do we have left, because after will kill JAG and Tyrinth and...eeek even me...will we have enough to possibly evade that minotaur. Even though he is friendly now, he wont be when we get near middle.
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06-26-2009, 12:33 PM | #967 | |
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I do understand your reasoning...under one condition..If I am not scanned, then I would kill me as I could have turned wolf and you did not know. I am Loki. The question is...which way did I turn. I would totally understand if you had to kill me to find out. |
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06-26-2009, 12:36 PM | #968 |
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II. dubb93 - Phoenix
III. RendeR - Paladin IX. hoopsguy - Telepath X. lerriuqs - Theo XI. Danny - Telepath XII. Barkeep49 - Jekyl XIII. Chief Rum - Private Eye XVIII. DaddyTorgo Telepath Villagers left, figure if the wolves kill another three of us (should be the most) that leaves 5 of us to race towards the center. If we hit on the two wolves without missing that leaves 6 of us. |
06-26-2009, 12:38 PM | #969 |
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Scan or not, Loki dies once the wolves are done. Even if you scanned as not a wolf, we don't know what additional choices would present themselves possibly. As far as I am concerned once Loki is gone we then lynch NTNdeacon as he is a neutral role as well. Then after that we just lynch Pass to our failure.
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06-26-2009, 12:44 PM | #970 | |
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A couple problems: 1. From asking The Jackal, lynches will stop after the wolves are gone. Maybe he didn't think about neutral players, so we might want to ask him again. 2. I can't be lynched. |
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06-26-2009, 12:44 PM | #971 |
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Im against your idea of lynching me even if im good. That seems pointless..I think your a little paranoid.
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06-26-2009, 12:48 PM | #972 | |
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1. If this is the case then that changes things. 2. Exactly, I was assuming we had to lynch somebody even once the wolves were gone and the point of lynching you is that it results in nothing and no villagers die. |
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06-26-2009, 12:50 PM | #973 | |
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I would be against lynching you if I was you also . But we will be lynching Loki once the wolves are gone unless it is made known that all the wolves are gone and we have earned that minor victory. |
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06-26-2009, 12:51 PM | #974 |
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I like starting with nfg - worst case is that we have to lynch all three of them. Best case, we're done lynching on Monday and simply need to find the centre before the Minotaur gets the rest of us.
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06-26-2009, 12:57 PM | #975 | ||
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If we lynch NFG or Tyrith we won't need your scan anyway. Sorry CR, you are useless to us at this point. We go JAG you get brutaled. We go elsewhere and we are answering the only question ourselves that your scan could have answered. Welcome to uselessville. Population=your scans.
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06-26-2009, 12:57 PM | #976 |
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Thanks! Start with me..I suppose even when I am a villager that leaves you guys with five anyways...
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06-26-2009, 01:01 PM | #977 |
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we've known JAG was a wolf for what...2 days now? how about we lynch him already and stop being cute!!!! i was all for giving him a 1-day reprieve based on the arguments laid out there yesterday, but i'm done with that now
VOTE LYNCH JAG!!!!!!
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06-26-2009, 01:05 PM | #978 |
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I'm actually not convinced Dubb isn't a wolf Phoenix
Unvote nfg Vote Dubb |
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06-26-2009, 01:08 PM | #981 | |
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No, I already know my scans will end up being of no value at this point. What I am questioning is why we would choose the path that will get us two villagers killed today (regardless of those villagers' roles) and still leave us with a wolf question to resolve, when we can choose to go the less "villager-costly" route and resolve the only question left to us with respect to allegiance?
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06-26-2009, 01:10 PM | #983 |
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loco? Very similar to loki, are you trying to give us a hint here?
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06-26-2009, 01:10 PM | #984 |
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lol at Danny.
I think you're overthinking this one.
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because either way we're going to net-out the same. might as well get rid of what we suspect is the brutal while we have more villagers to absorb it
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i think danny's just having fun...i hope.
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In seriousness, I think I actually agree with this. If we wait on the brutal it is more likely he takes out someone close to the center. Once I get bored with my playing around my vote will probably be on Jag, though I am ok with nfg as well. |
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06-26-2009, 01:16 PM | #991 |
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DT has convinced me...
VOTE JAG |
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We need more cool items in games like there were in Abe's dungeon game. If I run a game again at some point I may go with a basic WW game with lots of unique and interesting items that be acquired and used.
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06-26-2009, 01:25 PM | #993 | |
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I don't know why we would want to kill villagers sooner. Who knws what tricks are in this labyrinth? The person that the brutal takes tonight might be a move away from some teleport straight to the center. Think of villager-days as a unit, being every day a villager is alive is a villager-day unit to benefit the village. By killing the brutal today, you're essentially saying we should go with X villager-day units instead of X villager-day units +1. It doesn't make a big difference, sure. How likely is that one day to produce something tangible for the village? Not likely. But why pick the option that removes any value from it right away? At least if we go the other route (nfg/Tyrith), a question is being answered and we might also get something of value from that villager who will eventually be killed by the brutal. We kill the brutal today, we don't get anything more of value from that villager, and the nfg/Trytih thing will still need another day to figure out.
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Danny found the room of death!
Danny was a Telepath! |
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HAHAHA
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Good luck guys
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congrats Danny. Epic achievement.
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lol wait is that real? or a joke?
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OK...serious? NO!!!!!!!! We cant kill JAG till we kill the other wolf. We cant lose another villager now.
UNVOTE JAG VOTE TYRITH |
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