WW 109 - Hungry for Gold (Game Over, Wolves Win, Team USA Wins) - Page 20

hoopsguy · 03-01-2010, 08:22 PM

Still waiting on a couple of votes - Poli + Thomkal. As well as if PB will be returning to the thread.

I'm expecting movement here, just curious to see how/where.

Thomkal · 03-01-2010, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Thom, a little bit. Enough that I'm willing to risk not voting for you today, I suppose.

Well trust has to start somewhere I guess.

Passacaglia · 03-01-2010, 08:30 PM

I'm here! Water for the spaghetti is going, so I should be mostly on up until deadline.

Thomkal · 03-01-2010, 08:31 PM

If I trusted Hoops enough to tell him my victory bonus, I guess I should trust him enough to vote with him too then.

vote KWhit

EagleFan · 03-01-2010, 08:32 PM

As of 954:

Thomkal 2 - PurdueBrad (904), ntndeacon (917)
Poli 2 - KWhit (889), Telle (901)
KWhit 2 - hoopsguy (932), Thomkal (954)
ntndeacon 1 - Passacaglia (938)

PurdueBrad · 03-01-2010, 08:33 PM

PB is here. Hmmm, really close vote.

PurdueBrad · 03-01-2010, 08:34 PM

I'm comfortable with any of the leading three, although am the least convinced by KWhit.

EagleFan · 03-01-2010, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

PB is here. Hmmm, really close vote.

Uh oh he's referring to himself in the 3rd person now....

PurdueBrad · 03-01-2010, 08:34 PM

That's what happens when we win another gold, PB is becoming an international superstar.

Passacaglia · 03-01-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

PB is here. Hmmm, really close vote.

uh, yeah. I'm feeling odd-man out here with it 2-2-2-1. It would seem like I'm the decider, except for that there's Poli still to vote, and huge potential for movement. I'm scared. Hold me.

Poli · 03-01-2010, 08:36 PM

Sorry, got distracted with dinner and phone calls.

I understand why I'm a candidate. I know I brought it up before anyone else thought about it, because it seemed illogical for the wolves to keep ntn alive.

I don't know what else to say.

vote thomkal

self preservation at this point, I'd be open to moving this, I just don't know what my availability will be.

PurdueBrad · 03-01-2010, 08:36 PM

Well, lets make this a bit easier on you Pass.

unvote Thomkal

vote Poli

Passacaglia · 03-01-2010, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poli

Sorry, got distracted with dinner and phone calls.

I understand why I'm a candidate. I know I brought it up before anyone else thought about it, because it seemed illogical for the wolves to keep ntn alive.

I don't know what else to say.

vote thomkal

self preservation at this point, I'd be open to moving this, I just don't know what my availability will be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Well, lets make this a bit easier on you Pass.

unvote Thomkal

vote Poli

Oh, that's making it easier on me? Thanks assholes!

hoopsguy · 03-01-2010, 08:37 PM

PB, if you don't mind please walk me through why you are less comfortable with KWhit than the other candidates.

hoopsguy · 03-01-2010, 08:38 PM

PB, if you are going to take a shot at a member of "Team Russia" why Poli as opposed to NTN?

Passacaglia · 03-01-2010, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poli

Sorry, got distracted with dinner and phone calls.

I understand why I'm a candidate. I know I brought it up before anyone else thought about it, because it seemed illogical for the wolves to keep ntn alive.

I don't know what else to say.

vote thomkal

self preservation at this point, I'd be open to moving this, I just don't know what my availability will be.

But how did you decide on Thomkal over KWhit in your self-preservation?

PurdueBrad · 03-01-2010, 08:39 PM

I still feel mildly comfortable in the idea that ntn is likely the fool and Pass' logic on his existence makes sense.

For KWhit, it's just a matter of me needing to go back and read, and that is my plan for the next few minutes.

EagleFan · 03-01-2010, 08:39 PM

As of 964:

Thomkal 2 - ntndeacon (917), Poli (961)
Poli 3 - KWhit (889), Telle (901), PurdueBrad (962)
KWhit 2 - hoopsguy (932), Thomkal (954)
ntndeacon 1 - Passacaglia (938)

Poli · 03-01-2010, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Well, lets make this a bit easier on you Pass.

unvote Thomkal

vote Poli

Yikes.

unvote thomkal. Vote kwhit

have to save myself

Poli · 03-01-2010, 08:41 PM

Err hold on, I'm lost

Poli · 03-01-2010, 08:42 PM

Yeah that is what I needed to do

Passacaglia · 03-01-2010, 08:47 PM

So it's 3-3? Sheesh.

hoopsguy · 03-01-2010, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I still feel mildly comfortable in the idea that ntn is likely the fool and Pass' logic on his existence makes sense.

For KWhit, it's just a matter of me needing to go back and read, and that is my plan for the next few minutes.

That seems more likely to you than NTN bluffed at at seer/fool, hoping to flush out the seer with a role that was unlikely to be in the game?

PurdueBrad · 03-01-2010, 08:47 PM

So a tie again. Alright, lets move again.

unvote Poli

vote KWhit

hoopsguy · 03-01-2010, 08:49 PM

KWhit 4
Poli 2
NTN and Thomkal 1

That is what I think it is as of post #974.

Passacaglia · 03-01-2010, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

So a tie again. Alright, lets move again.

unvote Poli

vote KWhit

You guys are going to hate me, but...

UNVOTE NTNDEACON
VOTE POLI

Passacaglia · 03-01-2010, 08:50 PM

4-3 now.

PurdueBrad · 03-01-2010, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

That seems more likely to you than NTN bluffed at at seer/fool, hoping to flush out the seer with a role that was unlikely to be in the game?

It's definitely a possibility. All of the vote movement this evening is fun to watch. I usually play really conservative at deadline, so time to loosen up and keep pressure all the way around. I've read back at your arguments Hoops and the KWhit argument seems mostly percentages based, yes?

hoopsguy · 03-01-2010, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

You guys are going to hate me, but...

UNVOTE NTNDEACON
VOTE POLI

Only if you are wrong, I suppose.

Poli · 03-01-2010, 08:50 PM

What the heck is going on here?

Passacaglia · 03-01-2010, 08:50 PM

At least with NTN not around, we've got no chance of a tie if everyone stays on one of these two.

Thomkal · 03-01-2010, 08:51 PM

This is why I love this game, all the movement and second guessings is such a rush

EagleFan · 03-01-2010, 08:52 PM

As of 976:

Thomkal 1 - ntndeacon (917)
Poli 3 - KWhit (889), Telle (901), Passacaglia (976)
KWhit 4 - hoopsguy (932), Thomkal (954), Poli (969), PurdueBrad (974)

Passacaglia · 03-01-2010, 08:53 PM

damn right

KWhit · 03-01-2010, 08:53 PM

I bet the wolves have a vote on both me and Poli. One of them will move their vote to win the game here in a minute.

Passacaglia · 03-01-2010, 08:53 PM

This is intense.

hoopsguy · 03-01-2010, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

It's definitely a possibility. All of the vote movement this evening is fun to watch. I usually play really conservative at deadline, so time to loosen up and keep pressure all the way around. I've read back at your arguments Hoops and the KWhit argument seems mostly percentages based, yes?

Hmm, sort of.

The initial premise I put out there was percentage based, but it was really intended to get some conversation out of three players. Of those, I felt like KWhit attacked the idea most and participated in direction conversation the least. This was disappointing because I really respect his villager game and would expect him to be a really good co-worker in uncovering wolves if we were in this spot as villagers together.

So the vote isn't really all that percentage based at this point. I do think there is a good chance that there are not multiple wolves on any teams, but not enough that it is driving my choice. I'm voting KWhit because he seems the most wolfish in my "villager game vs wolf game" analysis, even after attempts to drag a reaction out of him.

KWhit · 03-01-2010, 08:54 PM

Oh, I thought Poli had 4.

Eh, we're about to lose, guys.

KWhit · 03-01-2010, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Hmm, sort of.

The initial premise I put out there was percentage based, but it was really intended to get some conversation out of three players. Of those, I felt like KWhit attacked the idea most and participated in direction conversation the least. This was disappointing because I really respect his villager game and would expect him to be a really good co-worker in uncovering wolves if we were in this spot as villagers together.

So the vote isn't really all that percentage based at this point. I do think there is a good chance that there are not multiple wolves on any teams, but not enough that it is driving my choice. I'm voting KWhit because he seems the most wolfish in my "villager game vs wolf game" analysis, even after attempts to drag a reaction out of him.

What kind of discussion should I need to get in there?

EF said definitively TWICE that it was random? What more do you freaking need?

hoopsguy · 03-01-2010, 08:55 PM

You claiming vanilla villager, KWhit?

PurdueBrad · 03-01-2010, 08:56 PM

KWhit, I believe Hoops asked you this earlier but I don't remember your answer. If you weren't on the line at all, who would your vote be for today?

KWhit · 03-01-2010, 08:56 PM

Terribly flawed reasoning by Hoops to keep his vote on me. Seriously? I didn't give enough reasoning rebutting a theory that the moderator completely quashed?

PurdueBrad · 03-01-2010, 08:57 PM

Pass, you want to help take manipulation out of this and move to KWhit?

KWhit · 03-01-2010, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

You claiming vanilla villager, KWhit?

Correct.

KWhit · 03-01-2010, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

KWhit, I believe Hoops asked you this earlier but I don't remember your answer. If you weren't on the line at all, who would your vote be for today?

Poli

Passacaglia · 03-01-2010, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Pass, you want to help take manipulation out of this and move to KWhit?

I don't know...personally, I'm kinda more sold on Poli, based on my thoughts on the Fool.

hoopsguy · 03-01-2010, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

What kind of discussion should I need to get in there?

EF said definitively TWICE that it was random? What more do you freaking need?

See, continuing to lock in on this point defending yourself (as one of three candidates I laid out at that time) strikes me as "wolf KWhit is frustrated that I'm pointing at him as a wolf with a premise he finds faulty". Between the deadline Friday night and now there have been nearly 72 hours to review the same data that I've looked at. But you've been laying back in the weeds, deflecting, rather than actively participating. I'll be bummed if you are a villager because we lose and because I think you could have helped us have a better day today.

KWhit · 03-01-2010, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't know...personally, I'm kinda more sold on Poli, based on my thoughts on the Fool.

This makes a hell of a lot more sense than the argument against me.

KWhit · 03-01-2010, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

See, continuing to lock in on this point defending yourself (as one of three candidates I laid out at that time) strikes me as "wolf KWhit is frustrated that I'm pointing at him as a wolf with a premise he finds faulty". Between the deadline Friday night and now there have been nearly 72 hours to review the same data that I've looked at. But you've been laying back in the weeds, deflecting, rather than actively participating. I'll be bummed if you are a villager because we lose and because I think you could have helped us have a better day today.

I only became a candidate and needed to defend this terrible reasoning in the past few hours.

KWhit · 03-01-2010, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

See, continuing to lock in on this point defending yourself (as one of three candidates I laid out at that time) strikes me as "wolf KWhit is frustrated that I'm pointing at him as a wolf with a premise he finds faulty". Between the deadline Friday night and now there have been nearly 72 hours to review the same data that I've looked at. But you've been laying back in the weeds, deflecting, rather than actively participating. I'll be bummed if you are a villager because we lose and because I think you could have helped us have a better day today.

And don't be blaming my play for a loss here.

03-01-2010, 08:36 PM	#961
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Sorry, got distracted with dinner and phone calls. I understand why I'm a candidate. I know I brought it up before anyone else thought about it, because it seemed illogical for the wolves to keep ntn alive. I don't know what else to say. vote thomkal self preservation at this point, I'd be open to moving this, I just don't know what my availability will be. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-01-2010, 08:41 PM	#970
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Err hold on, I'm lost __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-01-2010, 08:42 PM	#971
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Yeah that is what I needed to do __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-01-2010, 08:50 PM	#980
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	What the heck is going on here? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-01-2010, 08:22 PM	#951
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Still waiting on a couple of votes - Poli + Thomkal. As well as if PB will be returning to the thread. I'm expecting movement here, just curious to see how/where.

03-01-2010, 08:30 PM	#953
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I'm here! Water for the spaghetti is going, so I should be mostly on up until deadline.

03-01-2010, 08:31 PM	#954
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	If I trusted Hoops enough to tell him my victory bonus, I guess I should trust him enough to vote with him too then. vote KWhit

03-01-2010, 08:32 PM	#955
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	As of 954: Thomkal 2 - PurdueBrad (904), ntndeacon (917) Poli 2 - KWhit (889), Telle (901) KWhit 2 - hoopsguy (932), Thomkal (954) ntndeacon 1 - Passacaglia (938)

03-01-2010, 08:33 PM	#956
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	PB is here. Hmmm, really close vote.

03-01-2010, 08:34 PM	#957
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I'm comfortable with any of the leading three, although am the least convinced by KWhit.

03-01-2010, 08:34 PM	#959
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	That's what happens when we win another gold, PB is becoming an international superstar.

03-01-2010, 08:36 PM	#962
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Well, lets make this a bit easier on you Pass. unvote Thomkal vote Poli

03-01-2010, 08:37 PM	#964
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	PB, if you don't mind please walk me through why you are less comfortable with KWhit than the other candidates.

03-01-2010, 08:38 PM	#965
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	PB, if you are going to take a shot at a member of "Team Russia" why Poli as opposed to NTN?

03-01-2010, 08:39 PM	#967
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I still feel mildly comfortable in the idea that ntn is likely the fool and Pass' logic on his existence makes sense. For KWhit, it's just a matter of me needing to go back and read, and that is my plan for the next few minutes.

03-01-2010, 08:39 PM	#968
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	As of 964: Thomkal 2 - ntndeacon (917), Poli (961) Poli 3 - KWhit (889), Telle (901), PurdueBrad (962) KWhit 2 - hoopsguy (932), Thomkal (954) ntndeacon 1 - Passacaglia (938)

03-01-2010, 08:47 PM	#972
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	So it's 3-3? Sheesh.

03-01-2010, 08:47 PM	#974
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	So a tie again. Alright, lets move again. unvote Poli vote KWhit

03-01-2010, 08:49 PM	#975
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	KWhit 4 Poli 2 NTN and Thomkal 1 That is what I think it is as of post #974.

03-01-2010, 08:50 PM	#977
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	4-3 now.

03-01-2010, 08:50 PM	#981
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	At least with NTN not around, we've got no chance of a tie if everyone stays on one of these two.

03-01-2010, 08:51 PM	#982
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	This is why I love this game, all the movement and second guessings is such a rush

03-01-2010, 08:52 PM	#983
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	As of 976: Thomkal 1 - ntndeacon (917) Poli 3 - KWhit (889), Telle (901), Passacaglia (976) KWhit 4 - hoopsguy (932), Thomkal (954), Poli (969), PurdueBrad (974)

03-01-2010, 08:53 PM	#984
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	damn right

03-01-2010, 08:53 PM	#985
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I bet the wolves have a vote on both me and Poli. One of them will move their vote to win the game here in a minute.

03-01-2010, 08:53 PM	#986
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	This is intense.

03-01-2010, 08:54 PM	#988
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Oh, I thought Poli had 4. Eh, we're about to lose, guys.

03-01-2010, 08:55 PM	#990
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	You claiming vanilla villager, KWhit?

03-01-2010, 08:56 PM	#991
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	KWhit, I believe Hoops asked you this earlier but I don't remember your answer. If you weren't on the line at all, who would your vote be for today?

03-01-2010, 08:56 PM	#992
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Terribly flawed reasoning by Hoops to keep his vote on me. Seriously? I didn't give enough reasoning rebutting a theory that the moderator completely quashed?

03-01-2010, 08:57 PM	#993
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Pass, you want to help take manipulation out of this and move to KWhit?

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