NFL 2019 Season Thread

[Arles]

I don't know that I will ever understand QBR. Check out the numbers for three QBs:

164/264, 62.1%, 1,821 yards, 6.9 ypa, 14 TDs, 4 INT - QBR: 70.0
136/215, 63.3%, 1,650 yards, 7.7 ypa, 11 TDs, 5 INT - QBR: 66.7
185/283, 65.4%, 2,324 yards, 8.2 ypa, 16 TDs, 2 INT - QBR: 61.8

The top is Wentz, second is Lamar Jackson and the bottom is Rodgers. Even if you add in rushing, that's 576 more yards and 3 more TDs for Jackson (2,226 total yards, 14 TDs and 5 INT). Rodgers and Wentz are each around 100 yards and 1 TD rushing.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

This has to get everyone in Pittsburgh fired if it holds up right, especially after the Fitzpatrick trade?

Also I’m biased, but I think while Big Cat doesn’t have the sack numbers, he’s quietly done a good job on a dysfunctional team playing a position that doesn’t exactly traditionally put up big sack numbers. He’s got good tackle numbers and I think some of the best pressure metrics among 3-4 ends. If the Giants fan resign him he’s way, way more valuable than what they gave up, IMO.

Forgive me for apparently not following closely enough to kmow, but who is Big Cat?

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by Arles

I don't know that I will ever understand QBR. Check out the numbers for three QBs:

164/264, 62.1%, 1,821 yards, 6.9 ypa, 14 TDs, 4 INT - QBR: 70.0
136/215, 63.3%, 1,650 yards, 7.7 ypa, 11 TDs, 5 INT - QBR: 66.7
185/283, 65.4%, 2,324 yards, 8.2 ypa, 16 TDs, 2 INT - QBR: 61.8

The top is Wentz, second is Lamar Jackson and the bottom is Rodgers. Even if you add in rushing, that's 576 more yards and 3 more TDs for Jackson (2,226 total yards, 14 TDs and 5 INT). Rodgers and Wentz are each around 100 yards and 1 TD rushing.

Sacks, maybe?

[PilotMan]

I wonder if Dalton being benched is related at all to the upcoming trade deadline? Could Dalton be on the block with everyone else in Cincinnati? Shouldn't he?

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Sacks, maybe?

That was my other thinking, but they are all within 1 (AR and Lamar have been sacked 17 times, while Wentz has been sacked 16).

I don't think it's an opponent thing as the Packers have played 5 of their 8 games against top 10 passing Ds (Den, Min, Dal, Chicago and KC). It's a mystery to me. Looking at individual games, this is an example of my issue:

Rodgers vs Det: 24/39, 61.5%, 7.3 ypa, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 1 sack -> 29.3 QBR
Rodgers vs Phi: 34/53, 64.2%, 9.0 ypa, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 1 sack -> 68.7 QBR

Rodgers was much better against Detroit than Philly (IMO). The D was just crap against Philly (half the team was hurt on a Thurs game) and has facing a prevent in much of the second half because GB couldn't stop the Philly run game. Again, these numbers just don't make sense to me.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Arles

I don't know that I will ever understand QBR. Check out the numbers for three QBs:

164/264, 62.1%, 1,821 yards, 6.9 ypa, 14 TDs, 4 INT - QBR: 70.0
136/215, 63.3%, 1,650 yards, 7.7 ypa, 11 TDs, 5 INT - QBR: 66.7
185/283, 65.4%, 2,324 yards, 8.2 ypa, 16 TDs, 2 INT - QBR: 61.8

The top is Wentz, second is Lamar Jackson and the bottom is Rodgers. Even if you add in rushing, that's 576 more yards and 3 more TDs for Jackson (2,226 total yards, 14 TDs and 5 INT). Rodgers and Wentz are each around 100 yards and 1 TD rushing.

It's gotta be somewhere in the situational weighting I think.

Look at his game log, which shows both the traditional rating & QBR

By RTG the game two win over Minnesota was his 3rd best game of the year (of 8). By QBR, it was his third worst. The following week vs Denver was his 4th best RTG but his 2nd best QBR.

[Edward64]

A Hog QB to start this week!

Hopeful for an impressive showing but not betting on it. If I remember correctly, he sucked until his senior year where he was competent.

But what do I know. I would have bet Ryan Mallett would have done a lot better than he really did.

Brandon Allen comfortable in Broncos offense as he prepares to start vs. Browns; Rypien ready to serve as backup if called upon

As the Broncos prepare for life without Joe Flacco for at least this weekend, the two players most impacted by the injury, quarterbacks Brandon Allen and Brett Rypien, are ready to take on the responsibilities that now lay before them.

Allen, who will start in Flacco’s place on Sunday against Cleveland, acknowledged on Tuesday that while this opportunity comes under unfortunate circumstances with Flacco sidelined by a neck injury, he’s nevertheless prepared for it.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by panerd

They should invest in other pieces and go for Lawrence in 2021. None of these guys seem like the answer at QB. Interested to see if they move Green today... not sure why they would keep him around. Even if he re-signs it's not like he is worth max money with his injury history.

Don't you wish that evil on Goldilocks - you devil, you.
Tua...that's who they need Tua.

[RendeR]

Dalton really isn't the problem, the O-line is the real issue. Injuries to the top receivers is the real issue, If you can't block and no one can get open, what is Dalton supposed to do?

I've seen him take far too long to dump the ball, yes, but he's trying to make something out of nothing. When he's not running for his life or being pile driven into the turf by the entire D-line, he's been sharp.

It will be interesting to see how Finlay does with the same situation. If somehow he manages to succeed, then perhaps its time for Andy to move on to another team in the off season.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by panerd

They should invest in other pieces and go for Lawrence in 2021.

100%, but they won't because they are the Bengals. They will draft Justin Herbert and he will be Akili Smith II

[panerd]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Dalton really isn't the problem, the O-line is the real issue. Injuries to the top receivers is the real issue, If you can't block and no one can get open, what is Dalton supposed to do?

I've seen him take far too long to dump the ball, yes, but he's trying to make something out of nothing. When he's not running for his life or being pile driven into the turf by the entire D-line, he's been sharp.

It will be interesting to see how Finlay does with the same situation. If somehow he manages to succeed, then perhaps its time for Andy to move on to another team in the off season.

Dalton isn't why they are 0-8 but he also clearly isn't the answer and worth any more than tier 3 QB money at this point either. He just doesn't handle the pressure well at all. By that I mean he should just throw the ball out of bounds but instead he is frequently sacked and/or fumbles. Again I don't blame any of this season on Dalton but don't think that Ryan Fitzpatrick or Matt Moore or Teddy Bridgewater would be any less successful with the same line making far less money.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Butter

100%, but they won't because they are the Bengals. They will draft Justin Herbert and he will be Akili Smith II

Akili Smith was just 25 years ahead of his time.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Don't you wish that evil on Goldilocks - you devil, you.
Tua...that's who they need Tua.

They honestly probably just need a bunch of OL picks and then use a 5th or 6th rounder on some sort of gunslinger from the Big 12 or Pac 12. Of course they will instead pick Tua or Lawrence as a rental for 5 years until they go somewhere else and have success.

[JPhillips]

2020 is the Akili Smith draft phase of the 90s Bengals. They'll make a surprise QB pick that turns out to be a disaster.

[albionmoonlight]

Perhaps my all-time worst sports take: I was at a sports bar, and they had this game on: Cincinnati Bengals at Cleveland Browns - October 10th, 1999 | Pro-Football-Reference.com

and I caught the 4th quarter or so, and I watched Akili Smith lead the Bengals down for the winning score, and he looked decisive, and he stood tall in the pocket, and he was fist pumping and high-fiving teammates and doing the whole leader thing, and I thought to myself, "Man, this guy is going to be a great QB in the league. He's got all the intangibles you want, and he just looks strong out there."

[Carman Bulldog]

Had a monster dynasty with Akili Smith in the EA Sports FOF.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I was going to say, didn't Akili Smith flash some brilliance early? You can't have been the only one who thought that albion.

[RendeR]

Akili could run and he could throw the most amazing deep ball I've ever seen, but he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn under 20 yards downfield or past the line of scrimmage....

[cuervo72]

Good coaching, Kingsbury!

[Thomkal]

Well I guess they were not going to win anyway...

[tarcone]

What was that TO at the end of the half about? I cannot figure it out

[Honolulu_Blue]

Terrible challenge and waste of a time-out.

[bhlloy]

Kingsbury is not a good HC

[stevew]

All the Trent Williams stuff coming out is crazy.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by stevew

All the Trent Williams stuff coming out is crazy.

Sounds eerily similar to the Kelechi Osemele vs NY Jets situation except ya know...cancer.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Kingsbury is not a good HC

The McVay thing got a lot of teams to turn guys who should have been their hot new offensive coordinator into their hot new head coach five years too early.

[miked]

I can't believe there is a player or coach that would go to Washington. What a joke of a franchise. And I'm a Jets fan!!

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by miked

I can't believe there is a player or coach that would go to Washington. What a joke of a franchise. And I'm a Jets fan!!

The Ringer NFL show guys were talking about this on Thursday. Other teams are poorly run, but they seem to be trying to win and/or cater to their fans. They just might not be good at it.

Washington is the only team that seems to have an openly antagonistic relationship with its fans and players.

[molson]

God damn it Jimmy Garoppolo is handsome.

I don't even know if he's a good QB. His opponents are probably just distracted.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Kingsbury is not a good HC

Just comparing him to guys like LaFleur and Reich, I think having a couple seasons where you run an NFL offense (and watch a head coach) before becoming head coach is really important. I think Kliff is a very promising offensive mind, but I'm not sure he is comfortable with everything you need to do to be a good head coach. His defense, special teams and in-game decisions have been all over the map.

He looks like a guy who could have benefited from being an OC and watching another head coach run things for a few years. I think he will be OK long term, but he's having a lot of growing pains right now.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by molson

God damn it Jimmy Garoppolo is handsome.

I don't even know if he's a good QB. His opponents are probably just distracted.

Lol... they had him on an interview before the game. I don't usually stop at work when I see a handsome dude, but I saw him on TV and told myself, "That just ain't fair."

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Kingsbury is not a good HC

In college or pro.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Lol... they had him on an interview before the game. I don't usually stop at work when I see a handsome dude, but I saw him on TV and told myself, "That just ain't fair."

It's so disappointing (to me and me alone I know), that he won't follow Brady....

Patriot-drafted QBs are now 21-2 this season. They just weren't able to time those decisions just right.

They could have had Lamar Jackson at #31 too (instead of the OK but replaceable Sony Michel), but they probably would have ended up unloading him for cheap also.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by molson

God damn it Jimmy Garoppolo is handsome.

I don't even know if he's a good QB. His opponents are probably just distracted.

I have a new request for HoN...

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Arles

Just comparing him to guys like LaFleur and Reich, I think having a couple seasons where you run an NFL offense (and watch a head coach) before becoming head coach is really important. I think Kliff is a very promising offensive mind, but I'm not sure he is comfortable with everything you need to do to be a good head coach. His defense, special teams and in-game decisions have been all over the map.

He looks like a guy who could have benefited from being an OC and watching another head coach run things for a few years. I think he will be OK long term, but he's having a lot of growing pains right now.

No he is different and worse.
He had no NFL pedigree and was already a FAILED college head coach.
KK running an NFL team is twilight zone area unbelievable. Like I truly think the Cardinals owner's wife must have a crush on KK and the owner is ...into that...
There is no other explanation.

[HomerSimpson98]

As someone who is around alot of Texas Techies, I can confirm what CU is saying. It would have been hugely beneficial to him and USC had he gone to LA to run their offense for a year or 2 and then re-assessed things after some success with those kind of athletes.

[JPhillips]

And what does it say about the Bengals that Kingsbury would be an obvious upgrade at HC?

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

No he is different and worse.
He had no NFL pedigree and was already a FAILED college head coach.
KK running an NFL team is twilight zone area unbelievable. Like I truly think the Cardinals owner's wife must have a crush on KK and the owner is ...into that...
There is no other explanation.

Well there is one explanation. Remember?

The Cardinals press release announcing Kingsbury made sure to include that he’s friends with Sean McVay. pic.twitter.com/oEqGfkgWdT

— Kyle Bonagura (@BonaguraESPN) January 8, 2019

[bhlloy]

Yeah, the NFL is a copycat league and it’s no coincidence that two of the sadsack franchises have tried to take a shortcut and hope that they can hire a charismatic young coach and hope some McVay pixie dust has rubbed off on them.

To be fair to the Cards you can see what they were going for with Kingsbury/Murray, but for the love of god don’t give him the head coaching position when he fell flat on his face his one college HC job. It’s just not going to end well for anyone.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I have a new request for HoN...

Finally talking about some good looking guys on here

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by molson

It's so disappointing (to me and me alone I know), that he won't follow Brady....

Patriot-drafted QBs are now 21-2 this season. They just weren't able to time those decisions just right.

Shurg, he's a free agent in 2023, maybe he still can.

[albionmoonlight]

I don't know if it is the *biggest* SNF/MNF matchup that we've had recently. But I am more interested in Pats-Ravens than I have been in a non-Saints primetime game in a while.

Pats are on a historically good pace. Ravens have one of the few successful unique offensive styles in 2019. Both coaches are excellent and will come to play for this matchup.

My gut tells me the Pats win and cover the 3.5. But I'm excited to see it either way.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I have a new request for HoN...

Just as we are recovering from the Mark Davis HoN ...

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Just as we are recovering from the Mark Davis HoN ...

I may never recover from that

[Atocep]

I love watching Trubisky stare at open receivers and then take a sack.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I love watching Trubisky stare at open receivers and then take a sack.

One of the reasons I don't fault Nagy very much in this debacle. His plays are generating open receivers. Trubisky is just not finding them, and/or sailing passes 20 yards off target.

[NobodyHere]

And Jacoby Brissett is out at least temporarily.

[NobodyHere]

And Brian Hoyer throws a TD on his first pass as a Colt

[Atocep]

How many QBs in the NFL could we estimate are better than Trubisky? Over or under 45?

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by Atocep

How many QBs in the NFL could we estimate are better than Trubisky? Over or under 45?

Definitely take the under. Take a look at this list. I'd say he's probably no better than 35 or so. There are about 10 guys he's debatable with. So really, as high as 35 but not lower than 45.