WW Amazing Race - Game Over (Moles Win & Team Reebok Wins)

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Autumn

That really, really sucks. I wish he had been on near deadline to let us know.

he can still give us his results though, or did that rule get changed while i was at happy hour?

[Autumn]

He's out of the race, and killed, so no he can't.

[Autumn]

Anyone think that his team got sabotaged? Some pretty bad luck there at the end. If the wolves knew somehow, or were really, really sure, they might have used points against his team to try to double knock him out.

[Lathum]

well that pretty much screws us unless he told bholly who he scanned

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

SHIT!!!!!!! I saw that coming as DV was the other person that didn't buy mauboy's ball of crap. Never suspected he was the seer. Now he can't tell us his scans.

errr

I'm pretty sure none of us bought it

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

As you prepare for the next leg of the race you notice that another person is now wearing a t-shirt for a rival reality show.

It is Darth Vilus, spraned ankle and all.

He is not only out of the race but now completely out of the game.

Darth Vilus was the talent specialist; the seer.

Wait. I was the seer! No. I was the Paparazzi! NO! Darth was the seer! BAHAHA! GO GET 'EM MOLIES!

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Anyone think that his team got sabotaged? Some pretty bad luck there at the end. If the wolves knew somehow, or were really, really sure, they might have used points against his team to try to double knock him out.

That was my first thought too...especially with how far behind last place seemed to be before this leg.

[PackerFanatic]

Either the wolves got really lucky or they had some damn good inside knowledge...either way, that is some rotten luck.

[hoopsguy]

Can Darth's teammate give us some insight into how they expected to do in this competition? Were they going to have a difficult time with it regardless of any tampering, or were the results shockingly bad?

If it is the latter, then the earlier comments on "silly wolf kills!" seem to be out of place. They were clearly committed to getting the seer rather than worrying about the bodyguard.

[hoopsguy]

Also, if Darth's teammate is still in the race - time to look that person up - then hopefully Darth shared his scan results with that person.

We can't take them as 100% gospel - could be a wolf teammate, after all - but it would be something to consider going forward.

[Lathum]

I would very much like to hear what bholly has to say

[hoopsguy]

Ah, bhlloy - that makes sense, as that was the person I thought was the seer based on gut recollection of thread, not a careful re-read. It would make sense for him to question the seer reveal if he knew that his teammate was the seer.

Well, hopefully if/when we takes care of real-world stuff there is some info to share ...

[EagleFan]

1st - Team Ten
2nd - Team Four (+0:10)
3rd - Team Three (+0:25)
4th - Team Eight (+0:30)
5th - Team Five (+1:00)
6th - Team Nine (+1:15)
7th - Team Two (+2:05)
8th - Team Six (+3:00)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

If it is the latter, then the earlier comments on "silly wolf kills!" seem to be out of place. They were clearly committed to getting the seer rather than worrying about the bodyguard.

Not sure I agree with this. They could have gotten me last night, but knew I would be protecting myself again tonight. I expect them to finish me tomorrow.

[EagleFan]

As everyone tries to prepare for the next leg you hear evil laughter...

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Not sure I agree with this. They could have gotten me last night, but knew I would be protecting myself again tonight. I expect them to finish me tomorrow.

by last night I mean N2 and tonight N3

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Autumn

It's interesting that you post that, CF. I'll go ahead and say that GoldenEagle is my top suspect, I have been planning on voting for him for a couple days. I'd have to go back and put together a list of the reasons why. But basically they include a vote Day 1 that could be construed as trying to help save Mauboy, and his reactions in thread to the whole Mauboy/Lathum/Jackal stuff.

I also found it interesting that Mauboy voted him - the wolves clearly knew he was going down at that point so it would have been wise of them to offer up a wolf and throw us off that trail, but I'm not sure they're thinking that many levels deep this game.

I figured this is what you were eluding to earlier when you were talking about voting patterns. My day 1 vote was for ntndeacon. I was not trying to turn the vote away from mauboy, but I didn't want to change my vote to a guy who proclaimed to be the seer.

When everyone was jumping on the Jackal bandwagon, I stayed off of it. I got the sense that he was not a wolf and I was correct. It would be easy for me to have hidden a vote on him.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm curious as to what makes you think so.

I am to. Looking at GoldenEagle's voting history he voted for ntndeacon day one and didn't change to martind, voted for Danny day 2 and was about the 11th vote on mauboy for today. I'm not sure what makes that a good voting history.

[bhlloy]

Firstly fuckfuckfuck

Secondly it is a very good thing I saw this before my flight leaves in an hour or so. I'll keep this brief. Darth was keeping me in the loop, his night one scan was me and his second was GE. We both came up villager. I'm sure that will be met with a lot of skepticism but that's what was relayed to me. I'm sure I am the obvious target know and I understand that.

If this is the last post I can make, I would strongly recommend Danny for our vote tomorrow. His day 1 voting is very very suspicious and he clearly had a bs reason for going after CF who ended up dead the next night. But if I have to die to clear GE then I understand that's a smart play as well

So shoot... Let's hear some theories before I get on this plane

[bhlloy]

Fwiw I didn't know darth was the seer when I questioned mauboys reveal. If that is what got darth killed that really sucks. Maus reveal just smelled like shit - didn't find out about the real seer until the next morning

[hoopsguy]

Well, I think it probably makes sense to hit the Day 1 votes and see what might be gleaned from there. Voting movement, moreso than end votes. I know someone had posted this either Friday or over the weekend, time to find it and quote it so we've got it handy.

[Lathum]

bholly- did he say why he scanned GE N2?

[GoldenEagle]

I know I am good, so that leads me to believe that bhlloy is as well. It makes sense that he would scan his teammate. The wolves just got extremely lucky on this round.

I am leaning to a more experienced wolf team at this time. Danny is probably my number one suspect at this time, but that is based on a gut feeling more than anything concrete.

[cougarfreak]

Originally Posted by Lathum

bholly- did he say why he scanned GE N2?

Wondering this as well

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Can Darth's teammate give us some insight into how they expected to do in this competition? Were they going to have a difficult time with it regardless of any tampering, or were the results shockingly bad?

If it is the latter, then the earlier comments on "silly wolf kills!" seem to be out of place. They were clearly committed to getting the seer rather than worrying about the bodyguard.

We were trying to save our effort points for later in the race. Don't suspect any wolf interference here. In hindsight we should have been trying to keep the seer alive as long ad possible not a smart move

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I know I am good, so that leads me to believe that bhlloy is as well. It makes sense that he would scan his teammate. The wolves just got extremely lucky on this round.

.

Dangerous logic.

If bholly is a wolf the obvious play is to say his teammate scanned him, as that is what most of us would do. From there all he has to do is pick a villager to say as the second scan.

I would say it very unlikely you would both be wolves, but bholly is far from clear in my book.

[EagleFan]

When you are allowed to begin you will start at the Venetian Macaua and must travel to Chennai. From there...

You have a clue to the Roadblock.
Who has nerve of steel on the road? Requires Travel, secondary Mental.


You have a clue to the Detour.

Wick It: One player must bowl a legal "pitch" on the cricket field and the other must contact and hit a pitch thrown by club bowler at least 10 meters. Requires Physical
- One player will be a bowler and must bowl a legal "pitch".
- The other must contact a pitch bowled from a club bowler and hit it at least 10 meters.

Sell it: Sell 10 pieces of silk. Requires Mental
- The team must sell 10 pieces of silk in a very busy market.
- These markets are cutthroat business and it will take a lot of haggling.

Pit Stop - Statue of Gandhi in Pondicherry

[cougarfreak]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Dangerous logic.

If bholly is a wolf the obvious play is to say his teammate scanned him, as that is what most of us would do. From there all he has to do is pick a villager to say as the second scan.

I would say it very unlikely you would both be wolves, but bholly is far from clear in my book.

Exactly it clears himself, then he gets on a plane......

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Well, this is interesting, here's what I have for hte Day vote order (the ending might not be complete but I'm looking at earlier in the day)

Autumn votes JAG
PF votes mauboy
lathum votes chief
mauboy votes chief (2)
danny votes jag (2)
jag votes autumn
bhlloy votes mauboy (2)
martin d votes mauboy (3)
chief rum votes mauboy (4)
mckerney votes mauboy (5)
chief unvotes mauboy (4)
danny unvotes jag
danny votes ntndeacon
jackal votes ntndeacon (2)
hoopsguy votes ntndeacon (3)
zinto votes chief rum (3)
ntndeacon votes chief (4)
pass votes ntn (4)
chief votes ntn (5)
cF votes mauboy (5)
ntn unvotes chief (3)
ntn votes mauboy (6)
darth votes mauboy (7)
cougar votes mauboy (8)
mauboy unvotes chief (2)
mauboy votes ntn (6)
golden eagle votes ntn (7)
saldana votes ntn (8)
lathum unvotes chief (1)
lathum votes ntn (8)
chief unvotes ntn (7)
chief votes mauboy (9)
autumn unvotes jag (0)
autumn votes mauboy (10)
ntn unvotes mau (9)
ntn votes jag (1)
danny unvote ntn (6)
danny votes CF
mau unvotes ntn (5)
mau votes crimson
chief unvotes mau
chief votes jag
autumn unvotes mauboy1
autumn votes JAG
autumn votes JAG

The earlier unvote of Mauboy looked bad for Chief, though his later vote of him looks good. I'll have to go back and see the context of those.

There is the post from Autumn.

Any chance that you have this with post numbers, Autumn?

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

bholly- did he say why he scanned GE N2?

He didn't - I had to ask and he didnt specify why. Probably had the same suspicions you guys did.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

He didn't - I had to ask and he didnt specify why. Probably had the same suspicions you guys did.

What suspicions were those? (this can be directed to bhlloy or the people who had suspicions)

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I know I am good, so that leads me to believe that bhlloy is as well. It makes sense that he would scan his teammate. The wolves just got extremely lucky on this round.

I am leaning to a more experienced wolf team at this time. Danny is probably my number one suspect at this time, but that is based on a gut feeling more than anything concrete.

I feel better about you now GE. Especially since I've played plenty of games with people that looked inactive and they weren't wolves. The main thing tho is that mauboy wanted to vote for you today.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

There is the post from Autumn.

Any chance that you have this with post numbers, Autumn?

Thanks for finding it, sorry, I don't hoops. I tend to give up keeping track if I try to keep track of everything, so I went with a minimal system that day. Some interesting streaks in there though, I think we can clump some non-suspects and suspects based on that, if we assume NTN is good.

On the surface I tend to believe bhlloy. I think GE makes some sense as a scan target, I'll try to find the posts that pinged me later. Not 100% sure, of course, but it passes the initial sniff test for me as a "reveal".

Back in the morning.

[bhlloy]

I have or had no suspicions about GE. He was on mau and Danny from
Day 1. I'd have killed for a scan on Danny but I don't think darth was open to suggestions

[Passacaglia]

Just to be sure I have my head in the game (although I probably won't see replies on this until the morning), but Autumn's post isn't the entire Day 1, right? Day 1 was when we got MartinD, so all those votes happened before people started voting that way?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I have or had no suspicions about GE. He was on mau and Danny from
Day 1. I'd have killed for a scan on Danny but I don't think darth was open to suggestions

hmmm

If I was seer and Darth my first two scans would be my partner (bholly) and my bff ( Danny)

[EagleFan]

Leg Three In Pictures


Taipei Airport - Have been there and it is one of the cleanest looking airports, or buildings for that matter, that I have ever seen


Hong Kong Airport


Hong Kong to Macau Ferry


Macau Aiport - Built on the sea, taxi across a bridge


Chicken Feet - tried these but didn't like it (only tried it because the woman asking me to was an extremely hot Asian woman )


Macau Tower


Venetian Macau - one of the largest buildings in the world; the pond oustside of it is bigger than the Venetian in Vegas

[bhlloy]

I'm not really going to defend myself here because I know how it looks and lynching me to clear the air is probably a good move. It's another no brainer as far as I can see

The one thing I will say is that if I was a wolf and I knew darth was the seer early on day 2 why didn't he die until night 3? There is no way in he'll I let him get another scan in. Of course you guys don't know I ever knew that darth was the seer - but something to think about

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Just to be sure I have my head in the game (although I probably won't see replies on this until the morning), but Autumn's post isn't the entire Day 1, right? Day 1 was when we got MartinD, so all those votes happened before people started voting that way?

Yes, I'm hoping to have time tomorrow (50/50 with work) to go digging through the posts and put together a complete list with post numbers and comments.

The initial look at Autumn's list suggests several votes that don't look very good in terms of trying to keep heat off of Mauboy ... an effort that failed.

Mau also put in the early "first 2nd vote" on Chief, which is another check in the good book for me for my teammate. Not trying at this point to clear my teammate, any more than I'm trying to bury him, but data points keep suggesting to me that he is good.

[The Jackal]

I'm pretty sure I would vomit if asked to eat chicken feet, so I can't really complain there.

Crappy situation with the seer. At least two wolves are out over three days.

[Darth Vilus]

Well damn, today was definitely not a good day for the Dark Lord.

Not a good day at all.

[Danny]

Not a good day, though I tend to believe bhlloy about DV's scans.

[Danny]

For the sake of full disclosure, my team did not use any aggression towards DV's team. We knew Mau was the lynch, so he used a total of 18 energy points today and we were hoping that was enough. We also had solid skills for the events.

[JAG]

Bah. Talk about going from high (nabbing another wolf, finishing in 2nd place) to low (seer biting it). At first I was inclined to think 'why in the world would Darth have told his teammate he was seer like Lathum told Jackal he was BG'...then I realized he scanned his partner N1 and told him D2 after making sure he was ok. That explanation makes sense to me. The only wrinkle could be if bhlloy is the cunning, as DV seemed to be an unusual night kill target otherwise, but then you'd have to believe they were willing to make a random kill N2 to throw off suspicion that they knew who the seer was. Considering we got really unlucky to have the seer get double-eliminated and there was a good chance the seer would've been able to come back and tell us the scans, aside from the statistical improbability that the seer and cunning would be teammates (that would be ludicrously bad luck), and I'm just going to go along with bhlloy telling the truth barring other analysis that would make me think otherwise.

Hopefully someone with more time can put together the D1 voting at various points and then I'll take a closer look, since we had a wolf on the line I imagine we have a good starting point for some candidates for today.

[Poli]

I've enjoyed this game.

[Danny]

I'll be out until about 7:30 eastern today. I was out of work all last week sick, so I expect it will be a busy day and I won't be able to check in much. I think I make a decent candidate for votes based on Mau's actions and now DV biting it, so I'll be sure to check in and be active as a I can after I get home.

[Passacaglia]

bhlloy -- did DV say anything about who he was going to scan last night?

[Danny]

Before I go though, I want to encourage people to look at day 1 votes, especially the first 4 voters on Mauboy. We now know that MartinD a fellow wolf put a 3rd vote on Mau. I can't see anymore wolves putting one of the early votes on him. I would lean towards heavily trusting Mau voters 1, 2 and 4.

[Autumn]

Okay, I'm going to admit htat going back and checking the posts that made me suspicious of Golden Eagle has only made me now think that he's not a wolf. I remembered that he was on my gut suspect list, but didn't remember precisely why. Looking back it's for reasons that now seem reversed - at the time he seemed to be okay with us voting Mauboy after his reveal, and later seemed to be the one trying to get something other than Jackal going. At the time that looked to me like a wolf seeing if he might subtly start a run on the seer, and a wolf seeing if he he could get heat off of Jackal.

Of course as it ends up Mauboy was the wolf and Jackal was not, so my former suspicions are now reversed into trust. It doesn't say anything one way or the other about bhlloy, except that I can understand why Darth would scan GE - on day 2 he was not eager to get on the Jackal train, and if Darth was assuming Jackal was bad, that might seem suspect. A pretty good scan I think.

As someone said, Bhlloy could easily pick a real villager to post as a fake scan just to buy credibility, so it doesn't say much about his claim other than that it holds up to scrutiny, unlike Mauboy's. Looking back through Darth's posts I can also see why the wolves might have suspected him as seer. They either got lucky with the race results or sabotaged. If no one comes out as having used aggression against their team it means either they just got unlucky, or we've got a wolf-wolf team out there.

With a cunning in the game the scan pretty much doesn't matter anyway. Killing GE won't tell us anything about its validity, killing Bhlloy will possibly clear GE. But unless we done one or the either we can't really go by anything he said.

I think our Day 1 voting records are going to be much more useful. There's several strong runs on Mauboy that should partially clear some people, and several runs away from him that might give us suspects.

[Autumn]

bhlloy, putting a second vote on Mauboy on day 1 seems odd, now that I realize he's your teammate. What was your reasoning for that?