Werewolf LVII: Cathedral (GAME OVER!) - Page 20

Mr. Wednesday · 10-18-2007, 06:23 PM

Sorry about my scant participation today, I was very busy getting my house ready for my brother and his wife to visit. I'll also be out most of the evening as ND has a home hockey game tonight, but I'm hoping to catch the last ca. 10 minutes before deadline.

I'm still mulling over who to vote for right now. The good part of a Gabriel vs. Lucifer choice is that even if I guess wrong, Gabriel doesn't count towards the ratio for villagers vs. wolves, so it's not as bad as lynching a villager. So I think that my vote will almost certainly be for one of the two claimants.

Lathum · 10-18-2007, 06:23 PM

I need a reason to vote St. Cronin.

In normal english

Mr. Wednesday · 10-18-2007, 06:25 PM

For the time being, I'm going to give cronin the benefit of the doubt for the initial reveal.

VOTE Anxiety
VOTE Anxiety

oliegirl · 10-18-2007, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I need a reason to vote St. Cronin.

In normal english

Me too...hopefully soon so I can vote intelligently before heading out for the night.

Neon_Chaos · 10-18-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Do you know if there was a chance both Gabriel and Lucifer could have known the word?

Yes, I am 90% sure that either of them could have said it. The Lord has said that Lucifer has the ability to invade my dreams and learn of the prayers I send to Gabriel.

But it was the Butcher who said it properly.

"Ni!"

This is the only way I can truly tell... and my convictions say that I should go with this.

I must take that chance.

We either destroy Lucifer today. Or, if I am mistaken and have been deceived by Lucifer, we destroy him tomorrow. I hold no alliegance to the angels, I have merely asked for their help and patience. Their path to victory true is by completion of the cathedral alone.

Mankind must vanquish the demons AND complete the cathedral as well. I am to lead the flock to victory most certain and victory most true.

oliegirl · 10-18-2007, 06:35 PM

VOTE ST.CRONIN

VOTE ST.CRONIN

Neon_Chaos · 10-18-2007, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I need a reason to vote St. Cronin.

In normal english

I gave Gabriel a codeword through my prayer. "Ni!".

st.cronin used this when he called me "Nion_Chaos".

But Anxiety used the entire codeword. "Ni!". With the exclamation point and all.

I don't know what these two are up to. But I will have to take the side of the guy who gave me the correct format of the codeword.

Besides, with all the hoopla about the reveal, you would think that Gabriel would have asked for the support of the one guy who could confirm who he was that isn't an angel, right? The bishop is that guy, and Anxiety was the first one to use the codeword.

Either way, we lynch Lucifer today or tomorrow.

I believe that Lucifer is st.cronin.

saldana · 10-18-2007, 06:38 PM

i am going with his reverance (i was leaning toward that anyway, but his evidence in support of anxiety has put me over the top)

[color=dark orange]vote st cronin
vote st cronin
[/color]

Lathum · 10-18-2007, 06:39 PM

Thats pretty flimsy.

It seems to me they both used to codeword

saldana · 10-18-2007, 06:40 PM

lets try that again
vote st cronin
vote st cronin

saldana · 10-18-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Thats pretty flimsy.

It seems to me they both used to codeword

so who are you going with...i thought i know your role, so your vote today will definitely affect my decision, possibly more than Neons

Lathum · 10-18-2007, 06:43 PM

Can I just point out that before everyone starts firing off votes we still need to work on the cathedral

Abe Sargent · 10-18-2007, 06:45 PM

I have to go out for dinner and then swing by GameStop to buy MTW 2.

I should be back well before deadlin. However, if something goes wrong, I want to get my votes in.

Vote St.Cronin
Vote St.Cronin

In case I die, I want to give you my thoughts on who the other demons are. I don't know, and I was trying to pull them out, but if I had t place bets now, I;d do so this way: AlanT and PurdueBrad. PB has been way utr this game, never voting so as to prevnt anyone from folloiwng his trail. AlanT has been spatting with st.cronin on several occasions, and that's a good cover too.

good luck

Lathum · 10-18-2007, 06:45 PM

VOTE ANXIETY

VOTE ANXIETY

gotta go with my gut here

Neon_Chaos · 10-18-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Can I just point out that before everyone starts firing off votes we still need to work on the cathedral

Coming from the guy who shot his wad early today.

We're practically going to get Lucifer today or tomorrow. I am hopeful that it's today. I'm probably dying tonight, unless I get lucky and for some reason I get saved. As long as the villagers win a major victory, I win as well.

If we nail Lucifer today, the villagers/angels can then organize to build the cathedral and lynch the demons in accordance tomorrow.

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

The way I read this is that only angels or demons are going to have any extra/hidden powers. The rest of us have one or none based on our public role.

Sure, based on our public role, but I still considered them hidden -- I mean, we don't know what they are.

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I gave Gabriel a codeword through my prayer. "Ni!".

st.cronin used this when he called me "Nion_Chaos".

But Anxiety used the entire codeword. "Ni!". With the exclamation point and all.

I don't know what these two are up to. But I will have to take the side of the guy who gave me the correct format of the codeword.

Besides, with all the hoopla about the reveal, you would think that Gabriel would have asked for the support of the one guy who could confirm who he was that isn't an angel, right? The bishop is that guy, and Anxiety was the first one to use the codeword.

Either way, we lynch Lucifer today or tomorrow.

I believe that Lucifer is st.cronin.

Neon -- when did you make that prayer with the codeword?

Lathum · 10-18-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Coming from the guy who shot his wad early today.

We're practically going to get Lucifer today or tomorrow. I am hopeful that it's today. I'm probably dying tonight, unless I get lucky and for some reason I get saved. As long as the villagers win a major victory, I win as well.

If we nail Lucifer today, the villagers/angels can then organize to build the cathedral and lynch the demons in accordance tomorrow.

what does me voting early today have anything to do with everyone piling on Cronin or Anxiety and forgeting to work on the Cathedral?

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Can I just point out that before everyone starts firing off votes we still need to work on the cathedral

Who would you say has been putting the most work into the cathedral now?

path12 · 10-18-2007, 07:24 PM

What still needs to be worked on? I want to use one vote to do that.

Lathum · 10-18-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Who would you say has been putting the most work into the cathedral now?

now meaning today or now meaning the whole game?

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

now meaning today or now meaning the whole game?

the whole game

Lathum · 10-18-2007, 07:26 PM

off the top of my head I would say PerdueBrad has done the most work

why do you ask?

Neon_Chaos · 10-18-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Neon -- when did you make that prayer with the codeword?

The very first night.

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

off the top of my head I would say PerdueBrad has done the most work

why do you ask?

I'm just trying to garner a little trust while waiting for NC to answer my question.

Lathum · 10-18-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm just trying to garner a little trust while waiting for NC to answer my question.

you just moved up a notch on my distrust list

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

The very first night.

So before cronin gave the signal, I assume? All I saw was that his message was a long time ago. Anxiety's message came three days later, and cronin's came how much later?

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

you just moved up a notch on my distrust list

that's cool -- i'm looking for trust from other people besides you, anyway

Lathum · 10-18-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

that's cool -- i'm looking for trust from other people besides you, anyway

you sound like some ex girlfriends of mine

PurdueBrad · 10-18-2007, 07:31 PM

Look, glad we're getting to the heart of maybe getting a demon tonight or tomorrow. Is there anyone that is willing to double-up Pass' and my work on the cathedral?

For those thinking I'm a demon, I'm not. I believe earlier I pointed out the value of my night actions to the village in preventing damage to the cathedral the night I used my power. Last night I used my power but I don't have the ability to prevent damage, only to cut it in half (this explains why we recovered some damage the one night when my order was forgotten). This means that last night, I didn't stop any damage although I used my power. I have some left but have a feeling that tonight the wolves will be doing some killing.

Again, as for me being UTR this game, I've said it a couple times, you're right but it was for health reasons (which even in a game of deception I wouldn't lie about). I think I've been much more active as I've started to feel better. But if this is enough for some of you guys to lynch me, than fine.

Lathum · 10-18-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

that's cool -- i'm looking for trust from other people besides you, anyway

and IMO trying to gain trust by doing the most work on the Cathedral publicly really means nothing. It is actualy a good way to hide by not voting anyone and steering clear of voting patterns when we do nail a demon.

path12 · 10-18-2007, 07:33 PM

If I'm counting right, we need 4 artwork today and 1 carpentry. Saldana has done 2 artwork and Brad did 1 artwork and 1 carp. I'm going to fill in the last artwork, but I hope someone uses one more action on each in case of sabotage.

WORK ON ARTWORK

VOTE ST CRONIN

My power is totally flickering so I don't know how long I'll be on.

PurdueBrad · 10-18-2007, 07:33 PM

Pass, again, let me say, I'm not implying that you are going to sabotage the cathedral (or that I am!), but doubling up just makes sense. I appreciate you didn't take it that way earlier and hope you don't now. You've done a lot of work so that does help you in my trust although I'm still struggling on my personal COT.

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

and IMO trying to gain trust by doing the most work on the Cathedral publicly really means nothing. It is actualy a good way to hide by not voting anyone and steering clear of voting patterns when we do nail a demon.

Why else would I be working on the cathedral? I haven't said anything about wanting anyone's trust until now.

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Pass, again, let me say, I'm not implying that you are going to sabotage the cathedral (or that I am!), but doubling up just makes sense. I appreciate you didn't take it that way earlier and hope you don't now. You've done a lot of work so that does help you in my trust although I'm still struggling on my personal COT.

I agree. I *want* people to double up on me. I *want* the Cathedral built. In fact, in previous days I've doubled up the work myself, just to be sure parts get done.

Neon_Chaos · 10-18-2007, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So before cronin gave the signal, I assume? All I saw was that his message was a long time ago. Anxiety's message came three days later, and cronin's came how much later?

Yes, it was before cronin gave the signal.

Cronin used it earlier thank Anxiety, and I picked up on it, assuming that he was Gabriel.

I know it's a flip of a coin, but Anxiety did give the correct codeword.

Looking back at the posts and voting history, I'm basing it on the fact that st.cronin was among those who voted off Chief Rum as well, and Anxiety actually used his 2 votes to work on the cathedral that day (an angel's major victory objective)... I am led to believe that st.cronin is Lucifer.

Neon_Chaos · 10-18-2007, 07:36 PM

spelling correction:

*than Anxiety

PurdueBrad · 10-18-2007, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

and IMO trying to gain trust by doing the most work on the Cathedral publicly really means nothing. It is actualy a good way to hide by not voting anyone and steering clear of voting patterns when we do nail a demon.

I agree with you here Lathum, which is why I have not played the "how much work have I done card" but instead stand by my role in lessening the overnight damage. This didn't bother me much about Pass although the implication of what he's trying to draw out with his question is an interesting angle.

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Yes, it was before cronin gave the signal.

Cronin used it earlier thank Anxiety, and I picked up on it, assuming that he was Gabriel.

I know it's a flip of a coin, but Anxiety did give the correct codeword.

Looking back at the posts and voting history, I'm basing it on the fact that st.cronin was among those who voted off Chief Rum as well, and Anxiety actually used his 2 votes to work on the cathedral that day (an angel's major victory objective)... I am led to believe that st.cronin is Lucifer.

Your wrong.

(notice that even though the way I said it may not have been proper, you still got the message -- that can happen sometimes!)

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I agree with you here Lathum, which is why I have not played the "how much work have I done card" but instead stand by my role in lessening the overnight damage. This didn't bother me much about Pass although the implication of what he's trying to draw out with his question is an interesting angle.

The implication is what half of you have figured out anyway. I am Michah.

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The implication is what half of you have figured out anyway. I am Michah.

And obviously, cronin is Gabriel.

Look at my posts. I've been a freaking cheerleader for this damn cathedral -- which is the angel's victory condition before the villagers. I don't care about killing demons -- in fact if that happens before the cathedral is built, we don't get our major victory.

PurdueBrad · 10-18-2007, 07:44 PM

Okay Pass, I appreciate the fact that you have answered my question in advance, hehe. I was wondering why the work to garner trust now since you weren't in any of the votes but thank you for connecting those dots. It struck me as odd was all but if this is true, I get it.

So hopefully you can help us big time tonight with your Michah powers as I'll just continue to work my specialty.

Neon_Chaos · 10-18-2007, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

And obviously, cronin is Gabriel.

Look at my posts. I've been a freaking cheerleader for this damn cathedral -- which is the angel's victory condition before the villagers. I don't care about killing demons -- in fact if that happens before the cathedral is built, we don't get our major victory.

Oh great. Fucking reveals everywhere.

I feel that we are at an end game on the Demon side, which is why I was afraid a demon might come out and claim themselves to be an angel, if only to save Lucifer and win this game.

I'm not saying you're not who you say you are, but there is too much at stake to change my vote right now.

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Okay Pass, I appreciate the fact that you have answered my question in advance, hehe. I was wondering why the work to garner trust now since you weren't in any of the votes but thank you for connecting those dots. It struck me as odd was all but if this is true, I get it.

So hopefully you can help us big time tonight with your Michah powers as I'll just continue to work my specialty.

Exactly. I'd like some help from olie, too.

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Oh great. Fucking reveals everywhere.

I feel that we are at an end game on the Demon side, which is why I was afraid a demon might come out and claim themselves to be an angel, if only to save Lucifer and win this game.

I'm not saying you're not who you say you are, but there is too much at stake to change my vote right now.

That's because you have different victory conditions from the villagers. Your unwillingness to change your vote says a lot about what those conditions are.

Neon_Chaos · 10-18-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That's because you have different victory conditions from the villagers. Your unwillingness to change your vote says a lot about what those conditions are.

Haven't I been clear enough on what my conditions are? They're not as different.

I can't allow the villagers to win a minor victory. (Which is a major victory to angels).

The villagers MUST win a major victory for me to win as well.

Passacaglia · 10-18-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Haven't I been clear enough on what my conditions are? They're not as different.

I can't allow the villagers to win a minor victory. (Which is a major victory to angels).

The villagers MUST win a major victory for me to win as well.

That's about what we thought they were. That means you should be killing demons. I'm throwing you a bone here.

Barkeep49 · 10-18-2007, 07:55 PM

Here's where we stand at the moment. I will be leaving in about 10 minutes for basketball practice and will return somewhere between 10:15 and 10:30 and will post lynch results at that time.

Artwork – Pass (803), Pass (803), Purdue (804), path (982)
Carpentry – Purdue (804)

Anxiety – st.cronin (917), Mr. W (953), Mr. W (953), Lathum (964), Lathum (964)
Cronin – Neon (940), Neon (940), olie (956), olie (956), saldana (960), saldana (960), Anxiety (963), Anxiety (963), path (982)

Alan T 2
st.cronin 1
Schmidty 2

saldana · 10-18-2007, 07:56 PM

unvote cronin
unvote cronin

vote anxiety
vote anxiety

PurdueBrad · 10-18-2007, 07:57 PM

Look, vote as you will, if you are sure, leave your vote but in all sincerity (and I'm sorry Neon but we need to get this minor victory the way things are going) can we still get at least one more unit on carpentry and one more on artwork? If you trust me, than I'll do the carpentry by myself because I know it'll get done but that is your call.

10-18-2007, 06:23 PM	#951
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10-18-2007, 06:25 PM	#953
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	For the time being, I'm going to give cronin the benefit of the doubt for the initial reveal. VOTE Anxiety VOTE Anxiety __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

10-18-2007, 06:45 PM	#963
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I have to go out for dinner and then swing by GameStop to buy MTW 2. I should be back well before deadlin. However, if something goes wrong, I want to get my votes in. Vote St.Cronin Vote St.Cronin In case I die, I want to give you my thoughts on who the other demons are. I don't know, and I was trying to pull them out, but if I had t place bets now, I;d do so this way: AlanT and PurdueBrad. PB has been way utr this game, never voting so as to prevnt anyone from folloiwng his trail. AlanT has been spatting with st.cronin on several occasions, and that's a good cover too. good luck __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

10-18-2007, 07:24 PM	#970
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	What still needs to be worked on? I want to use one vote to do that. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-18-2007, 07:33 PM	#982
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	If I'm counting right, we need 4 artwork today and 1 carpentry. Saldana has done 2 artwork and Brad did 1 artwork and 1 carp. I'm going to fill in the last artwork, but I hope someone uses one more action on each in case of sabotage. WORK ON ARTWORK VOTE ST CRONIN My power is totally flickering so I don't know how long I'll be on. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-18-2007, 06:23 PM	#952
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I need a reason to vote St. Cronin. In normal english

10-18-2007, 06:38 PM	#958
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	i am going with his reverance (i was leaning toward that anyway, but his evidence in support of anxiety has put me over the top) [color=dark orange]vote st cronin vote st cronin [/color]

10-18-2007, 06:39 PM	#959
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Thats pretty flimsy. It seems to me they both used to codeword

10-18-2007, 06:40 PM	#960
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	lets try that again vote st cronin vote st cronin

10-18-2007, 06:43 PM	#962
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Can I just point out that before everyone starts firing off votes we still need to work on the cathedral

10-18-2007, 06:45 PM	#964
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	VOTE ANXIETY VOTE ANXIETY gotta go with my gut here

10-18-2007, 07:26 PM	#973
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	off the top of my head I would say PerdueBrad has done the most work why do you ask?

10-18-2007, 07:31 PM	#980
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Look, glad we're getting to the heart of maybe getting a demon tonight or tomorrow. Is there anyone that is willing to double-up Pass' and my work on the cathedral? For those thinking I'm a demon, I'm not. I believe earlier I pointed out the value of my night actions to the village in preventing damage to the cathedral the night I used my power. Last night I used my power but I don't have the ability to prevent damage, only to cut it in half (this explains why we recovered some damage the one night when my order was forgotten). This means that last night, I didn't stop any damage although I used my power. I have some left but have a feeling that tonight the wolves will be doing some killing. Again, as for me being UTR this game, I've said it a couple times, you're right but it was for health reasons (which even in a game of deception I wouldn't lie about). I think I've been much more active as I've started to feel better. But if this is enough for some of you guys to lynch me, than fine.

10-18-2007, 07:33 PM	#983
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Pass, again, let me say, I'm not implying that you are going to sabotage the cathedral (or that I am!), but doubling up just makes sense. I appreciate you didn't take it that way earlier and hope you don't now. You've done a lot of work so that does help you in my trust although I'm still struggling on my personal COT.

10-18-2007, 07:36 PM	#987
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	spelling correction: *than Anxiety __________________ Come and see.

10-18-2007, 07:44 PM	#992
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Okay Pass, I appreciate the fact that you have answered my question in advance, hehe. I was wondering why the work to garner trust now since you weren't in any of the votes but thank you for connecting those dots. It struck me as odd was all but if this is true, I get it. So hopefully you can help us big time tonight with your Michah powers as I'll just continue to work my specialty.

10-18-2007, 07:55 PM	#998
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Here's where we stand at the moment. I will be leaving in about 10 minutes for basketball practice and will return somewhere between 10:15 and 10:30 and will post lynch results at that time. Artwork – Pass (803), Pass (803), Purdue (804), path (982) Carpentry – Purdue (804) Anxiety – st.cronin (917), Mr. W (953), Mr. W (953), Lathum (964), Lathum (964) Cronin – Neon (940), Neon (940), olie (956), olie (956), saldana (960), saldana (960), Anxiety (963), Anxiety (963), path (982) Alan T 2 st.cronin 1 Schmidty 2

10-18-2007, 07:56 PM	#999
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	unvote cronin unvote cronin vote anxiety vote anxiety

10-18-2007, 07:57 PM	#1000
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Look, vote as you will, if you are sure, leave your vote but in all sincerity (and I'm sorry Neon but we need to get this minor victory the way things are going) can we still get at least one more unit on carpentry and one more on artwork? If you trust me, than I'll do the carpentry by myself because I know it'll get done but that is your call.

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