Soccer Thread 2022-2023

[flere-imsaho]

Yep, I saw it, and agree that PGMOL absolutely needs to do more of that. There's absolutely no reason for these processes to be opaque and explaining rationale will help a lot. It's also a good counter to former-player pundits going on about decisions based on the rules as they understood them 20 years ago.

[flere-imsaho]

dola - that Ben White hold in the penalty area is exactly the thing VAR is good for - you'd never catch that at full speed (which is, presumably, what White was hoping for).

[miami_fan]

A bit of craziness at the bottom of the La Liga as well. Valladolid is now trying to score a goal to stay up after spending the previous eighty nine minutes doing absolutely nothing because they thought they were safe.

[sovereignstar v2]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Agreed on all points.

Did you see this?



PGMOL chief Howard Webb went through a few decisions where VAR was involved. He explains the process and why the decision were made. I hope there do stuff like this more. I do not expect it to change the minds of people who believe the refs hate them. I do hope it helps fans and pundits understand and speak more intelligently on the VAR process.

Let me know when they aren't cherry-picking incidents after the fact. Did he comment on the Rashford offside call?

[flere-imsaho]

You've got a pretty big persecution complex for a guy who's club has just won 5 of the past 6 EPL titles.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Let me know when they aren't cherry-picking incidents after the fact. Did he comment on the Rashford offside call?

Not in that show but the explanation had already been put out there four months prior.

The VAR Review: Rashford's offside in Manchester derby - ESPN

The game has to make a choice. Do we want rules that allow the officials to make subjective decisions like the Rashford offside call or to make objective decisions like the Grealish one from Saturday? We don't trust the officials to use subjectivity wisely. That is why we have laws like the laws governing handball now.

[SirFozzie]

Here's that goal for the Belgian league title.

https://twitter.com/guardian_sport/s...33018885570561

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Unreal ending to the Belgian league. 3 teams were virtual champions at some point during the last 15 minutes. I listened to the reports on the radio, reporters were getting crazy. Unreal stuff.

I wonder if they moved the trophy from stadium to stadium or if they had replica trophies at the relevant grounds.

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Here's that goal for the Belgian league title.

https://twitter.com/guardian_sport/s...33018885570561

So the presence of Toby Alderweireld was not the reason that Tottenham could not win a trophy while he was there?

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I wonder if they moved the trophy from stadium to stadium or if they had replica trophies at the relevant grounds.

Through the Flemish media, I picked up there was a helicopter ready to bring the trophy to the winning team. A much fancier alternative than the replica route. I remember the KNVB took that route in 2007 when AZ, Ajax and PSV played at 3 different stadiums for the title on the last Sunday of that season.

[miami_fan]

Anyone familar with the LeBatard show cast of characters knows Mike Ryan had this at least two years ago.

Lionel Messi to join MLS side Inter Miami after PSG exit - ESPN

[miami_fan]

VAR is a good thing for the West Ham supporters.

[Ksyrup]

Not pissy or anything...

Lol https://t.co/VuWQe2lBow pic.twitter.com/ITxX9TvV3g

— Darren Smith (@DSmithShow) June 7, 2023

[whomario]

Messi going to MLS came kind of sudden. Admittedly not very in the loop these days but still ...

[flere-imsaho]

While the Glazers continue to suck every possible penny out of their two suitors for Manchester United, we're left with the possibility that by the start of the season we'll have three clubs owned by petro-states with essentially unlimited funds.

The first club with essentially unlimited funds was Chelsea, but Abramovich never really put together a first-class operating structure around the club to ensure sustained success. What success they had came from great managers having great first or second seasons before flaming out, or a catching fire at just the right time.

Regardless of what you think of them, Abu Dhabi with Manchester City put together a top-class organization to cover literally all aspects of running the club, from the facilities to commercial to community outreach to of course the footballing side. A well-run organization plus a great manager plus effectively unlimited funds gives you this kind of dominance.

Where is gets worrying for the rest of the EPl is that Saudi Arabia appear to have taken on board those lessons with Newcastle. It is now a well-run club, spending wisely, building up thoughtfully, and they have a good manager on board and clearly as many transfers as they need.

If Qatar take over from the Glazers and do the same thing, the EPL could very easily have 3 super-clubs that dominate the top 3 places, and thus the majority of the UCL money. Forget the Big Six. You'll have the Big 3, a group of historically strong commercial revenue clubs below them (e.g. Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, etc...) a rotating cast of well-run smaller clubs (Brighton this year), and then everyone else.

[sovereignstar v2]

Sounds good. It'll be like when United and Arsenal dominated the league for the first twenty years. The good ol' times.

[ntndeacon]

Very proud of the Birmingham Legion for getting to the Quaterfinals of the US Open Cup. Lost last night to Inter Miami.

[Ghost Econ]

Hopefully next year we'll be able to find out if Messi could do it on a rainy day in Birmingham.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

While the Glazers continue to suck every possible penny out of their two suitors for Manchester United, we're left with the possibility that by the start of the season we'll have three clubs owned by petro-states with essentially unlimited funds.

The first club with essentially unlimited funds was Chelsea, but Abramovich never really put together a first-class operating structure around the club to ensure sustained success. What success they had came from great managers having great first or second seasons before flaming out, or a catching fire at just the right time.

Regardless of what you think of them, Abu Dhabi with Manchester City put together a top-class organization to cover literally all aspects of running the club, from the facilities to commercial to community outreach to of course the footballing side. A well-run organization plus a great manager plus effectively unlimited funds gives you this kind of dominance.

Where is gets worrying for the rest of the EPl is that Saudi Arabia appear to have taken on board those lessons with Newcastle. It is now a well-run club, spending wisely, building up thoughtfully, and they have a good manager on board and clearly as many transfers as they need.

If Qatar take over from the Glazers and do the same thing, the EPL could very easily have 3 super-clubs that dominate the top 3 places, and thus the majority of the UCL money. Forget the Big Six. You'll have the Big 3, a group of historically strong commercial revenue clubs below them (e.g. Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, etc...) a rotating cast of well-run smaller clubs (Brighton this year), and then everyone else.

The Glazers could always stay in charge for the betterment of the club and fair play throughout the league and Europe. Or the EPL/UEFA could not allow that sort of investment into the club. In short, none of them HAVE to take the money if they care that much. The choice is actually in their hands.

[Critch]

Some mindless violence from the women's game:

pic.twitter.com/P9qO3gqZuD

— Out Of Context Football (@nocontextfooty) June 8, 2023

[SirFozzie]

Roman Reigns approves of that finisher.

[sovereignstar v2]

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[sovereignstar v2]

Professional performance from a brilliant side

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[flere-imsaho]

Remarkable and well done by Man City. Feel bad for De Bruyne, but then again he's a large part of how they got here.

[SirFozzie]

New England Revolution vs. Inter Miami CF - Football Match Summary - June 10, 2023 - ESPN

Proof that the New England Revolution are better than Lionel Messi! (Ok, the small detail that Messi didn't play, as he needs some time off before joining Inter Miami as his PSG season just ended, but details, details.)

[SirFozzie]

Shades of Suarez for Uruguay, player saves certain goal by literally slapping the ball away, and although sent off, the goalie saves the subsequent penalty.


https://twitter.com/CBSSportsGolazo/...90373753589760


Verona's keeper is playing an absolute blinder.

[SirFozzie]

Nicaragua kicked out of the gold cup and relegated to CONCACAF Nations League B after it was found they used an ineligible player in 8 matches. Trinidad and Tobago takes their spot in both the Gold Cup and CONCACAF Nations League A. (Antigua/Barbuda takes T&T's GC preliminary round spot)

https://twitter.com/SoccerInsider/st...41623271702529

[cubboyroy1826]

Halftime of the US vs Mexico. Berhalter in his way back as US coach. Really hope this is a false rumor. Wtf?

[SirFozzie]

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The new coach of the US is..

I'm Back (Eric Bischoff) - YouTube





Yep, meet the new gaffer, same as the old gaffer (Gregg Berhalter) (per the Athletic)

Gregg Berhalter set to return as USMNT coach: Sources - The Athletic
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[SirFozzie]

dola: Hey Chelsea? THIS IS THE MAN YOU DECIDED COULDN'T HELP YOU FINISH BETTER THAN 12TH. EAT A GIANT BOWL OF EXTRA SPICY CAMEL DROPPINGS! HAHAHAHAHA!

er.. sorry, let my inner USMNT fanboy slip out. Pulisic with two goals tonight against Mexico so far.

edit: Sing this to the old clock chimes.

"SAME! OLD! MEXICO! DOS! A! CERO!"

[SirFozzie]

IT'S ALL KICKING OFF!

and in the stands too

https://twitter.com/SoccerInsider/st...50003277426688

[RainMaker]

What did McKennie do to get a red?

[SirFozzie]

TRES A CERO! *CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP*

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

What did McKennie do to get a red?

Apparently put his hands on/around the neck of someone.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Apparently put his hands on/around the neck of someone.

Thanks. Watching on Univision and my Spanish is rusty.

What a dominant performance.

Should be a red on Chavez.

[SirFozzie]

Mexico thuggeration in full effect.

[RainMaker]

Pulisic got a yellow for clapping as he was subbed off. This ref does not belong.

[SirFozzie]

And the game gets officially paused as THAT chant rings out.

Stay Mad, El Tri. You got embarassed on the field AND in the stands (Homophobic Chant, thrown garbage). You GET NOTHING. GOOD DAY, PENDEJOS! (sorry, couldn't resist the Willy Wonka.)

[SirFozzie]

THE GAME HAS BEEN CALLED OFF!

[SirFozzie]

And CONCACAF are now claiming despite the game being ended five minutes early, the anti-discrimination protocol third stage was not reached. Probably because they were afraid of FIFA having to take notice and causing issues with 2026. Gutless cowards. If not now, when?

And for the match result?

1,2,3 fuck the Mex.... - YouTube

[RainMaker]

What would happen if the game had been called because of the protocol?

[SirFozzie]

The match would be immediately abandoned, and it gets sent up the line to FIFA (who wouldn't want to see one of their 2026 world cup hosts pull this off in an international tournament semifinal. Probably CONCACAF doesn't want to risk FIFA going "Guess what? The 2026 WC is now hosted by the USA and Canada only!" and Mexico throwing a royal shitfit.

as it stands, they will almost definitely have to play meaningful games with no fans in the stadium (they had to before for the same thing, but they played a meaningless friendly and managed to slough off part of the penalty in a WOMEN'S national team game). But, since except for the next Nations League (where USA, Mexico and two other teams get byes to the Quarter final), there's no meaningful FIFA games for them to play..

(BTW, I'm going to steal a joke from elsewhere to explain why I'm still in Hyper mode. "I'm not in Hyper Mode, I'm just over CONCACAF-inated"

edit: Concacaf launches What’s Wrong is Wrong anti-discrimination campaign

[cartman]

That was a great showing from the US. Will hurt not having McKinney or Dest against Canada on Sunday though

[flere-imsaho]

LOL this article: US Soccer plays it safe by reappointing Gregg Berhalter as USMNT coach | USA | The Guardian

Some choice bits:

his contract was quietly allowed to expire amid an investigation into conduct from more than 30 years ago prompted by the jaundiced parents of a sulky substitute

...

The armed gunships of helicopter parenting, Claudio and Danielle Reyna – both former US internationals and close friends of the Berhalters

...

“If you go back with Berhalter then we’ve wasted a lot of time,” the former forward Clint Dempsey said on Paramount+. In truth, with host status meaning no World Cup qualifying campaign to navigate and three years to go before the only tournament that really matters, there is plenty of time to waste. And US Soccer have form in this respect, having spent more than a year with an interim coach before hiring Berhalter at the end of 2018 for a rebuilding job.

...

Reyna, sporting bleached blond hair, flitted around the field with the luminous urgency of a firefly in mating season.

I'm glad I'm not really invested in the US National Team, because this kind of shit from U.S. Soccer would drive me round the bend.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

What would happen if the game had been called because of the protocol?

But FIFA would never acknowledge that a hostile crowd chanting whatever is reason enough to legitimately stop a game. No need for One Love armbands, discriminating -isms are cultural heritage to be embraced. So next time, make sure to have a player provoke a lunatic in the stand to throw something at and hurt said player. That will get FIFA unamused enough.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Some choice bits:

That first bit is some of the best writing I've seen in quite a while, sums it up beautifully.

And I don't even like Berhalter particularly as a coach

[Ghost Econ]

Matt Turner reminds me of Richard from Silicon Valley.

[Ghost Econ]

Watching the replay and Paramount cut out the Mexican chant in the 89th minute, but not on the subsequent shouts during extra time.

[cartman]

Mexico achieved the rare feat of getting more red cards than shots on target during the match.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by cartman

That was a great showing from the US. Will hurt not having McKinney or Dest against Canada on Sunday though

I'm still hoping they change McKennie to a yellow. Watching the replays, he is really just defending himself. Multiple people were attacking him.

[Ghost Econ]

So, anyone else pro BJ after these two games? It's fun just watching our best attackers go at it