Werewolf CXXV - Vegas, Baby - VILLAGERS WIN

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Funny because I won the escort bid last night..

Which I used on mckerney, hoping to prevent a wolf kill or something of the like, but it was just a shot in the dark, really. The escort service prevents night actions, it doesn't reveal money. Did you misspeak or something, CR?

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by JAG

Ok with that info, I am feeling very good about ntn and mauboy. I'm not completely anti-mckerney, but I feelblots strongly about sal and DT being wolves.

I would add ntn to the bottom of the list I posted.. not on my radar but he's not 100% cleared either.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Funny because I won the escort bid last night..

Yup, got my "girl" services confused. I bid for the escort service and you outbid me. I meant the showgirl one, Destiny. Apologies for the confusion.

I actually have no idea what the escrot service does. Destiny can investigate a player for how much money they have. mauboy1 can confirm this; he had the service Night One (and ntn can confirm, too, I think, since mauboy1 told him so).

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yup, got my "girl" services confused. I bid for the escort service and you outbid me. I meant the showgirl one, Destiny. Apologies for the confusion.

I actually have no idea what the escrot service does. Destiny can investigate a player for how much money they have. mauboy1 can confirm this; he had the service Night One (and ntn can confirm, too, I think, since mauboy1 told him so).

Okay I figured it was something innocent. Like I said above (and I'm pretty sure someone said it before, so I didn't feel weird revealing it), the escort service lets you send an escort to any player, preventing them from taking night actions.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

And add in that mckerney didn't even try defending himself yesterday. He eventually got phased out in the talks and didn't matter. As I said yesterday my vote is going on mckerney.

vote mckerney

As far as defending myself, I thought that yesterday I mentioned that I didn't see the sense in using who bet on Lathum, who starting the game by telling people to bet on him, as a guide for finding wolves. That seems to be the only thing I've done that is brought up as a reason to vote for me, so I'm not sure what other defense you want.

[The Jackal]

Problem is it's netted us one wolf so far.. Not saying it definitively means you are a wolf, but I liked the theory at the beginning of the game, and CF's death hasn't dissuaded me.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by saldana

dola, i also apparently confused tyke and mauboy, who is the guy that has a hard on for mckerney

vote mauboy1

But mauboy hasn't been under the radar at all.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Problem is it's netted us one wolf so far.. Not saying it definitively means you are a wolf, but I liked the theory at the beginning of the game, and CF's death hasn't dissuaded me.

I'm not convinced we're going to have any better a chance finding a wolf picking off that list than picking the people who didn't bet on Lathum. I think it's better to go off of things people have done when everyone wasn't just guessing completely blindly.

[The Jackal]

We know sal is busy today, but also ignoring the NTN reveal.. seeming more and more desperate in his voting.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by mckerney

I'm not convinced we're going to have any better a chance finding a wolf picking off that list than picking the people who didn't bet on Lathum. I think it's better to go off of things people have done when everyone wasn't just guessing completely blindly.

I doubt all the remaining players who fit the D1 bet/vote on Lathum are wolves, but I also kind of think at least one is. And it was more than guessing blindly in that case - it was a calculated and honestly smart play to bet on Lathum who had offered himself as a sacrifice. I felt that wolves would be more tempted than villagers to take the bait.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Which I used on mckerney, hoping to prevent a wolf kill or something of the like, but it was just a shot in the dark, really. The escort service prevents night actions, it doesn't reveal money. Did you misspeak or something, CR?

Was wondering who sent the visit last night. Wish you'd gone with someone else though.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Was wondering who sent the visit last night. Wish you'd gone with someone else though.

Nothing personal, sort've just picked at random between people who I was leaning towards being wolves. With not that many players outside of the Mario mechanic left, chances aren't that low to hit the wolf committing the NK, if you can indeed block a Knuckles purchase with the escort.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Was wondering who sent the visit last night. Wish you'd gone with someone else though.

Why? What service were you going to use?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Why? What service were you going to use?

I'd like to hear this answer too.

I'm going out to run some errands, back a little later.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Nothing personal, sort've just picked at random between people who I was leaning towards being wolves. With not that many players outside of the Mario mechanic left, chances aren't that low to hit the wolf committing the NK, if you can indeed block a Knuckles purchase with the escort.

I know it wasn't personal, just wish you were able to block Knuckles. With as close as voting is right now hoops would be useful right now.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Why? What service were you going to use?

No service, as I mentioned above I just wish he would have hit on whoever was using Knuckles.

[mauchow]

I'm torn on my vote. All three are decent targets, dt, saldana, and mckerney but with saldana scrambling on nearly nothing I almost feel like going that route

I am currently on the road headed back home for the next four hrs and I'm getting ill staring at my phone reading this so ill be in and out for the next bit.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

We know sal is busy today, but also ignoring the NTN reveal.. seeming more and more desperate in his voting.

I do find that a bit odd. Not that I completely believe the ntn reveal, but it's certainly something to consider. And as was mentioned earlier, if you don't believe it voting ntn seems like it'd be a better choice.

[mckerney]

Hmm, after rereading CRs post I think the most important thing to take away from it is that we don't know the tie breaker mechanism, probably something to consider with early voting being close.

[JAG]

Something else to consider, I would've rated DT and mckerney as more likely wolf betting targets for today based on the voting yesterday. I'm not ready to bet the farm on that though, and I wouldn't be surprised if villagers werent there also.

[JAG]

On the whole, I think sal is the best chance to find a wolf. I don't think a player as good as he is would come to so many incorrect conclusions and he's just all over the map with his reasoning. I won't be moving my vote unless something crazy happens with the voting.

[Autumn]

Vote Count as of post #971

Daddy Torgo (3) - ntndeacon 866, mckerney 929, cougarfreak 936
mauboy1 (2) - passacaglia 880, saldana 941
saldana (2) - JAG 894, zinto 924
mckerney (3) - darth vilus 931, the jackal 937, mauboy1 939

[Passacaglia]

Chief Rum -- did you exercise the option that reveals the bets, instead of the super-cool option that neither you nor mauboy decided to use? If so, any thoughts from it?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Chief Rum -- did you exercise the option that reveals the bets, instead of the super-cool option that neither you nor mauboy decided to use? If so, any thoughts from it?

No, I figured it was about time to use the super cool option. I'm not entirely sure of the real value of the betting information at this point, in any case.

No thoughts worth sharing at this time about the super cool option results.

[Passacaglia]

Then why did you go for that the first time?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Hmm, after rereading CRs post I think the most important thing to take away from it is that we don't know the tie breaker mechanism, probably something to consider with early voting being close.

It is in everyone's best interest to never find out what the tiebreaker is by ensuring that we don't have a tie. Ties are no good.

[Autumn]

Tank Wallace, Professional Bodyguard - hire Tank for protection
Mario Juarez, Private Investigator - Mario will get the dirt on anyone you want
Cassie's Escort Agency - there's lots of things to do in Vegas at night
Knuckles Cassini - word is that if you want someone taken care of, Knuckles will do your dirty work
Destiny, Vegas Showgirl - everyone in town spends some time with Destiny in their lap, for a price
Speedeez Courier Service - you need to send a message, Speedeez will get it there
Kalustian Betting Parlor - This bookie's got his fingers in every bet in town
Lefty Fingers, Acquisitions - Lefty has his fingers in every pocket in town

Black Market Services -
Dante the Loan Shark - Need somebody to do some dirty work, he knows who's desperate.

Only the Mafia can bid on Black Market Services.

Please note the list carefully before you bid, some services aren't always available. Bids are due by 9 p.m. EST.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Then why did you go for that the first time?

I felt that the Day One bet list had value, because when we all made our bet selections (Night Zero), we didn't know about the betting service. I thought that we might see some trends from wolves in those bets. That's in my post with the bet list, BTW.

You would have to ask mauboy1 why he chose the first option when he bought the service Day Two. I would have gone with the second option then.

[mauchow]

I actually had submitted for the other service but changed it later..

[saldana]

Posting from my phone while my face is getting numb
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As far as being all over the map goes(not sure who said that), having a lot of games played doesn't help a lot when you don't know all the new players in the game...has it occured to you that I might be doing things on purpose to see who reacts and how?

In the interest of self defense and because of the ntn scan(which I didn't doubt, just wanted to see if any reaction came from it)

unvote mau
Vote DT

[mauchow]

Why dt over mckerney? Just curious. They both have nearly nothing on them.

[Autumn]

I"m heading out for dinner and taking care of the kids. Deadline for votes and bids is 9 p.m.

[tyketime]

I voted mckerney yesterday, and haven't read anything to give me a great reason to change it today.

VOTE: MCKERNEY

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by cougarfreak

I may be out late tonight, going to a museum exhibit. With my limited experience, I think hoopsguy was taken out because he revealed his role. I look and see who was on him from yesterday, and I see DT, and saldana. For now I'm going with DT, but I may be back later to look back and see if anything points the other way.

vote Daddy Torgo

I never voted for hoops yesterday. My vote was for JAG.

This smells (again). Big runs being generated on me.

[DaddyTorgo]

Since JAG's apparently piling onto me for a second day in a row (well yesterday he seemed to lead it more)

VOTE JAG

[The Jackal]

You're gonna vote for JAG, a generally accepted cleared scanner, instead of one of the other people on the block who are generally regarded as wolfish?

[The Jackal]

That isn't even a self defense vote. Color me confused.

[The Jackal]

Cleared is misleading, he hasn't been cleared as neither he or CR has been 100% proven good. But CR is looking good to me, and though it could've been a play by a wolf to clear a villager to gain trust, I don't think we need to explore those avenues yet.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'll change my vote to self-defense of course...I was still catching up at that point. JAG's just been all over my nuts with basically zero evidence and has been part of getting a couple big runs started on me, and I don't like that.

[Chief Rum]

I feel there is one more wolf in the Lathum voters. There are two wolf teams, unconnected to one another. I suspect each team put one bettor on Lathum, and followed the general practice of spreading their bets around to keep from being traced. In fact, with Lathum a likely vote target based on his own offer, how could a wolf team reastically not have at least one wolf on there?

I like the guesses here as good as anyone else. saldana, I am giving a little bit of a pass to for today. For whatever reason he is agitated, saldana just seems too over the top right now to actually be a wolf; a wolf wouldn't be so expressive, IMO.

mauboy1 is pretty much cleared in my mind. That leaves DT and mckerney, both Lathum voters as well. Bteween the two, I am leaning DT, mostly on gut.

VOTE DaddyTorgo

[The Jackal]

Maybe he voted for you today, wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. You've been involved in the voting for a few days now.

[Chief Rum]

Plus, the JAG vote just seems off. Even if he was the most suspicious in the world, why go there with other candidates with votes?

[The Jackal]

Well, he said he was still catching up, but its way too late in the day for that kind of vote. In the morning/afternoon, sure, but not now. Suspicious moves indeed.

[Autumn]

Vote count as of post 990

Daddy Torgo (5) - ntndeacon 866, mckerney 929, cougarfreak 936, saldana 980, chief rum 990
mauboy1 (1) - passacaglia 880
saldana (2) - JAG 894, zinto 924
mckerney (4) - darth vilus 931, the jackal 937, mauboy1 939, tyketime 983
JAG (1) - daddy torgo 985

[The Jackal]

hah! JAG isn't even voting for DT!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I feel there is one more wolf in the Lathum voters. There are two wolf teams, unconnected to one another. I suspect each team put one bettor on Lathum, and followed the general practice of spreading their bets around to keep from being traced. In fact, with Lathum a likely vote target based on his own offer, how could a wolf team reastically not have at least one wolf on there?

I like the guesses here as good as anyone else. saldana, I am giving a little bit of a pass to for today. For whatever reason he is agitated, saldana just seems too over the top right now to actually be a wolf; a wolf wouldn't be so expressive, IMO.

mauboy1 is pretty much cleared in my mind. That leaves DT and mckerney, both Lathum voters as well. Bteween the two, I am leaning DT, mostly on gut.

VOTE DaddyTorgo

Nobody's yet pointed out that a villager would want to make money too and thus would bet on Lathum just as frequently.

The whole line of reasoning is flawed. Dunno why you guys don't see that.

UNVOTE JAG
VOTE MCKERNEY

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Plus, the JAG vote just seems off. Even if he was the most suspicious in the world, why go there with other candidates with votes?

Vote what you believe, not what's popular.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Nobody's yet pointed out that a villager would want to make money too and thus would bet on Lathum just as frequently.

The whole line of reasoning is flawed. Dunno why you guys don't see that.

UNVOTE JAG
VOTE MCKERNEY

It's been discussed. It was a whole fishy idea though, Lathum sacrificing himself. Real villagers should've seen through it.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Vote what you believe, not what's popular.

JAG isn't even on you..

[JAG]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I'll change my vote to self-defense of course...I was still catching up at that point. JAG's just been all over my nuts with basically zero evidence and has been part of getting a couple big runs started on me, and I don't like that.

Pretty funny since I've really been all over Saldana today, much more so than you, who I basically mentioned only in passing. D3 I didn't vote for you at all. I joined a late run on you N2, all the other targets we know now are villagers, so I don't see how that looks bad. Meanwhile on both days you avoided voters who were on you to vote me, who you claim as having a vendetta against you.

I don't have a lot doubt about you two, but we'll just have to see how things shake out.