Maximum Football??? - Page 20

Eaglesfan27 · 02-22-2006, 03:57 PM

What is the world coming to?

Druez actually has a good post in the thread started by David's wife.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-22-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DeftRevisited

The expected release on the page also says 2002. They should have done a better job of managing customer expectations but, the tone of the posts around here reminds me of why we haven't had a decent non-text football sim in 7 years.

Every sign points to the fact that we will be waiting longer than 7 years.

Bee · 02-22-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DeftRevisited

The expected release on the page also says 2002. They should have done a better job of managing customer expectations but, the tone of the posts around here reminds me of why we haven't had a decent non-text football sim in 7 years.

yes, it's fear of being ridiculed by FOFC that has kept football games down since the fiasco of NFL Football 99. FEAR THE FOFC!

Buzzbee · 02-22-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaftRevisited

The expected release on the page also says 2002. They should have done a better job of managing customer expectations but, the tone of the posts around here reminds me of why we haven't had a decent non-text football sim in 7 years.

Aha!!! It isn't because of box art, adding a career mode, lack of programming resources, insanely ambitious release dates, or just plain stupidity that the game hasn't been release yet. It is because of the tone of the posts around here. Maybe if we change our tone the game will be completed faster. Maybe if we had a positive tone all along it only would have taken 4 years for someone to publish a decent non-text football sim.

EDIT: Bee is obviously quicker than Buzzbee.

JAG · 02-22-2006, 04:13 PM

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We didn't want to announce a new estimate until we could discuss in detail with David. Since he's three hours behind us and works a day job

...which I hope he's not planning on quitting...

MrBigglesworth · 02-22-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DeftRevisited

The expected release on the page also says 2002. They should have done a better job of managing customer expectations but, the tone of the posts around here reminds me of why we haven't had a decent non-text football sim in 7 years.

If I had to say yesterday one thing that this thread lacked, it would be a YTMND set to Benny Hill music. If I had to say two things it lacked, first would be the YTMND set to Benny Hill music, and second would be a Maximum Football supporter to act as a foil for the various FOFC members to pile on to.

/goes off to make popcorn

KWhit · 02-22-2006, 04:14 PM

Does anybody else find it odd that Matrix couldn't get in touch with David to talk about this release-delaying problem because he was at his other job?

Neuqua · 02-22-2006, 04:29 PM

There's no topping Toddzilla's post in this thread.

VPI97 · 02-22-2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Does anybody else find it odd that Matrix couldn't get in touch with David to talk about this release-delaying problem because he was at his other job?

When everything about a game and it's developer is odd, something like that isn't all that surprising.

Tasan · 02-22-2006, 04:34 PM

Odd? No, not one bit. I hope he doesn't have his resignation letter all typed up either. I hope he's there putting in overtime, bucking for a promotion.

Izulde · 02-22-2006, 04:35 PM

What would really be funny is if he did quit his day job, thinking MF was going to set him for life

Bonegavel · 02-22-2006, 04:36 PM

I am changing my opinion from "the game may get released some day" to "never getting released." Even at this hour (especially when the matrix web site has the words "Release Date : February 15, 2006" next to the game).

Matrix is going to get this elusive Gold Master and realize there is no game here. I think it will turn out to be, at most, a hobbist play tool (an excercise in 3d modelling, if you will).

Matrix Games has published a lot of good titles over the years and I don't see any way that this game can be up to their standards.

Izulde · 02-22-2006, 04:39 PM

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it. This man has spent the last five years of his life trying to make you happy.

This game has truly been David's life over the last two years, and in turn, mine.

_____________________________

Jennifer L. Winter
Media Relations
Wintervalley Software

So the first three years were just idle masturbation?

Coffee Warlord · 02-22-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

So the first three years were just idle masturbation?

The first three years was merely box art development.

Toddzilla · 02-22-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

So the first three years were just idle masturbation?

BRILLIANT chice of words

Bee · 02-22-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzbee

Aha!!! It isn't because of box art, adding a career mode, lack of programming resources, insanely ambitious release dates, or just plain stupidity that the game hasn't been release yet. It is because of the tone of the posts around here. Maybe if we change our tone the game will be completed faster. Maybe if we had a positive tone all along it only would have taken 4 years for someone to publish a decent non-text football sim.

EDIT: Bee is obviously quicker than Buzzbee.

quicker, but I liked your take better.

Bee · 02-22-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuqua

There's no topping Toddzilla's post in this thread.

No offense to Toddzilla, but we've thought that before about other posts and yet they keep getting better.

Apathetic Lurker · 02-22-2006, 05:35 PM

It still won't be as bad a total control football(?). You know, the one with Cowher on the cover

Izulde · 02-22-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker

It still won't be as bad a total control football(?). You know, the one with Cowher on the cover

I actually liked that one. The only problem I had with it was you had no baseline to go off of as far as contracts go and it was really easy to hose your team.

astrosfan64 · 02-22-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

What is the world coming to?

Druez actually has a good post in the thread started by David's wife.

It is pretty bad when his wife comes out to defend him......

QuikSand · 02-22-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Media Relations (i.e. wife)

If you feel that, by yourself, you could develop a better title, then go do it.

This is, without a doubt, my favorite argument of all, anywhere. If certainly fits here just as comfortably as it does in the whole milieu of sports, politics, etc. NO - you can't complain about Jerramy Stevens dropping three passes... unless YOU yourself are a NFL-caliber tight end. NO, you can't complain about the decision by the Supreme Court, unless YOU yourself are a legal scholar on individual property rights. Fantastic!

Gary Gorski · 02-22-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VicKevlar at the MF boards in reply to druez

Congrats, you now have my full undivided attention. This is your heads up notfication. The Matrix Games forums have rules and policies and they apply to all users, in all forums and at all times. The first one being that insults and personal shots are a no-go at this station. Period.

Roffle. Maybe Vic should clarify the fine print on those Matrix rules. They must state that as long as its the developer insulting the work of other developers that's ok just as long as nobody on the forums insults David.

dervack · 02-22-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

Roffle. Maybe Vic should clarify the fine print on those Matrix rules. They must state that as long as its the developer insulting the work of other developers that's ok just as long as nobody on the forums insults David.

sounds about right. Isn't that the same at GDS?

sovereignstar · 02-22-2006, 06:09 PM

It's funny how Ben singles out the actions of Druez and Suicane as if they are the only guilty parties involved with Max-bashing. Puh-leeeeeeeeeeeeeez

Ben E Lou · 02-22-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

It's funny how Ben singles out the actions of Druez and Suicane as if they are the only guilty parties involved with Max-bashing. Puh-leeeeeeeeeeeeeez

I really thought you were brighter than that. I'm waiting on the inevitable response to move in for the kill. In these sorts of things, it is generally best to think two posts ahead.

FrogMan · 02-22-2006, 06:16 PM

so, I stay away from FOFC for one day, three pages have been added to the thread here... so what's the news, has this been released yet?

FM

Poli · 02-22-2006, 06:17 PM

Yep, you hadn't heard?

cartman · 02-22-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

I really thought you were brighter than that. I'm waiting on the inevitable response to move in for the kill. In these sorts of things, it is generally best to think two posts ahead.

The "Smack Down Fu" is strong in this one

sovereignstar · 02-22-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

I really thought you were brighter than that.

Really? I'm surprised you even remember who I am, even though I just posted a few moments ago.

cartman · 02-22-2006, 06:29 PM

Guten tag, Tullius!

Ben E Lou · 02-22-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Really? I'm surprised you even remember who I am, even though I just posted a few moments ago.

You're the guy who hacked HA's board, right?

BigJimSlade · 02-22-2006, 06:36 PM

Hey guys, I'm new here. I would like to know what David Winter has said about other text based developers. I was planning on buying this game until I heard about his attitude.

Pumpy Tudors · 02-22-2006, 06:39 PM

Uh oh! It's BIG JIM SLADE!

(I haven't seen The Kentucky Fried Movie in years, but the Big Jim Slade entrance always sticks in my mind)

sovereignstar · 02-22-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

You're the guy who hacked HA's board, right?

No, I'm the guy who was given the master password to Hell Atlantic's site by Hell Atlantic and then accused of hacking when I used it. Fuck, I remember telling you about that, but it looks like you forgot. Hell Atlantic's the guy who mocked the rape and beating of a little girl on these boards, right?

BigJimSlade · 02-22-2006, 06:41 PM

and the capital of Nebraska is Lincoln...

Eaglesfan27 · 02-22-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJimSlade

Hey guys, I'm new here. I would like to know what David Winter has said about other text based developers. I was planning on buying this game until I heard about his attitude.

You can read his threads on there or look earlier in this thread, but he has said several insulting/condescending things about other developers in an attempt to promote his own work.

st.cronin · 02-22-2006, 06:57 PM

Can anybody confirm that there actually was a beta process?

stevew · 02-22-2006, 07:06 PM

Maximus was a beta tester.

st.cronin · 02-22-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Maximus was a beta tester.

Isn't he the guy that faked his own death?

Pumpy Tudors · 02-22-2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Isn't he the guy that faked his own death?

Isn't this the game that faked its imminent release?

st.cronin · 02-22-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Isn't this the game that faked its imminent release?

Well, I guess it's a perfect marriage. What if he didn't fake his own death, but was framed by Matrix, and had to go into hiding, because he knew all the beta secrets ...

Antmeister · 02-22-2006, 07:33 PM

I still can't believe this game is $40. While I realize that the game is customizable (to some extent), there is no career play, no draft options, trading, etc. If you are going to spend that much money on a game, I would suggest getting Madden 2005 from the bargain bin (about $5 to $10 dependeping on where you buy it). If you want to do Pop Warner, you could buy Backyard Football for about $15 and last year's EA college title can be found in the bargain bin as well.

At max, you would be spending $35 dollars and have a much deeper playing experience than this. But maybe it is just me.

I guess I left out that whole Canadian rules football. Maybe that is the only drawback.

Pumpy Tudors · 02-22-2006, 07:40 PM

You know, I think I'm going to play EA Sports Arena Football right now. It's actual Arena Football, not "indoor football" like Maximum Football is supposed to have.

Poli · 02-22-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister71

I still can't believe this game is $40. While I realize that the game is customizable (to some extent), there is no career play, no draft options, trading, etc. If you are going to spend that much money on a game, I would suggest getting Madden 2005 from the bargain bin (about $5 to $10 dependeping on where you buy it). If you want to do Pop Warner, you could buy Backyard Football for about $15 and last year's EA college title can be found in the bargain bin as well.

At max, you would be spending $35 dollars and have a much deeper playing experience than this. But maybe it is just me.

I guess I left out that whole Canadian rules football. Maybe that is the only drawback.

Free your mind. The rest will follow.

Izulde · 02-22-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Free your mind. The rest will follow.

Free your mind... Arrest your body!

Ben E Lou · 02-22-2006, 07:50 PM

Sucker.

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My guess is everyone with Erik and David completing the final tests I am willing to guess that the release that is available to us will be extremely solid if not perfect. I truely believe this.

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cthomer5000 · 02-22-2006, 07:55 PM

Oh, and from that same guy SkyDog:

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All,

To focus our attention elsewhere to other things instead of bothering David and Erik has anyone read the Football For Dummies book by Howie Long? I picked it up last weekend some of the introductory reading seems decent.

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Buccaneer · 02-22-2006, 07:59 PM

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Firstly I would like to let you know - developing a game is not easy. If you feel that, by yourself, you could develop a better title, then go do it. This man has spent the last five years of his life trying to make you happy. So now, when they are working to make it the best possible game it can be, your complaining. If you've waited five years a few more days aren't going to kill you.

Secondly, as it has been mentioned in other forums, it is JUST a game. Sure, you're all excited, but it's not a sign of the impending Apocolypse if it takes a day or two to work out last minute issues and give you a great release.

How can it be that whenever a game is about to be released (or alledgedly), there are those so dying to get it that they lose all sense of perspective and use of brain cells. We've seen this in every single forum out there. Is it some cartel of immature morons that goes around and posts that if they don't get the game NOWw, they will blow up the world? There can't be that many morons out there, can there?

Ben E Lou · 02-22-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000


	Football For Dummies

Wow. Just wow.

wade moore · 02-22-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

How can it be that whenever a game is about to be released (or alledgedly), there are those so dying to get it that they lose all sense of perspective and use of brain cells. We've seen this in every single forum out there. Is it some cartel of immature morons that goes around and posts that if they don't get the game NOWw, they will blow up the world? There can't be that many morons out there, can there?

that was a rhetorical question, right?

02-22-2006, 03:57 PM	#951
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02-22-2006, 04:29 PM	#958
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	There's no topping Toddzilla's post in this thread. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

02-22-2006, 04:34 PM	#960
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02-22-2006, 04:35 PM	#961
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02-22-2006, 06:16 PM	#976
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	so, I stay away from FOFC for one day, three pages have been added to the thread here... so what's the news, has this been released yet? FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

02-22-2006, 04:14 PM	#957
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Does anybody else find it odd that Matrix couldn't get in touch with David to talk about this release-delaying problem because he was at his other job?

02-22-2006, 04:36 PM	#962
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	I am changing my opinion from "the game may get released some day" to "never getting released." Even at this hour (especially when the matrix web site has the words "Release Date : February 15, 2006" next to the game). Matrix is going to get this elusive Gold Master and realize there is no game here. I think it will turn out to be, at most, a hobbist play tool (an excercise in 3d modelling, if you will). Matrix Games has published a lot of good titles over the years and I don't see any way that this game can be up to their standards.

02-22-2006, 05:35 PM	#968
Apathetic Lurker College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo,NY	It still won't be as bad a total control football(?). You know, the one with Cowher on the cover

02-22-2006, 06:09 PM	#974
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	It's funny how Ben singles out the actions of Druez and Suicane as if they are the only guilty parties involved with Max-bashing. Puh-leeeeeeeeeeeeeez

02-22-2006, 06:17 PM	#977
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Yep, you hadn't heard? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-22-2006, 06:29 PM	#980
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Guten tag, Tullius! __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

02-22-2006, 06:36 PM	#982
BigJimSlade n00b Join Date: Feb 2006	Hey guys, I'm new here. I would like to know what David Winter has said about other text based developers. I was planning on buying this game until I heard about his attitude.

02-22-2006, 06:39 PM	#983
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Uh oh! It's BIG JIM SLADE! (I haven't seen The Kentucky Fried Movie in years, but the Big Jim Slade entrance always sticks in my mind) __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

02-22-2006, 06:41 PM	#985
BigJimSlade n00b Join Date: Feb 2006	and the capital of Nebraska is Lincoln...

02-22-2006, 06:57 PM	#987
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Can anybody confirm that there actually was a beta process? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-22-2006, 07:06 PM	#988
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Maximus was a beta tester.

02-22-2006, 07:33 PM	#992
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	I still can't believe this game is $40. While I realize that the game is customizable (to some extent), there is no career play, no draft options, trading, etc. If you are going to spend that much money on a game, I would suggest getting Madden 2005 from the bargain bin (about $5 to $10 dependeping on where you buy it). If you want to do Pop Warner, you could buy Backyard Football for about $15 and last year's EA college title can be found in the bargain bin as well. At max, you would be spending $35 dollars and have a much deeper playing experience than this. But maybe it is just me. I guess I left out that whole Canadian rules football. Maybe that is the only drawback. __________________ "I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me" - Schmidty "Box me once, shame on Skydog. Box me twice. Shame on me. Box me 3 times, just fucking ban my ass...." - stevew Last edited by Antmeister : 02-22-2006 at 07:34 PM.

02-22-2006, 07:40 PM	#993
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	You know, I think I'm going to play EA Sports Arena Football right now. It's actual Arena Football, not "indoor football" like Maximum Football is supposed to have. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

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