Survivor: New Howard Tribal Thread (Tribal Council Due 10 PM Sunday)

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I can't believe that everyone is so quick to dismiss the possibility of conversions. There have been zero night kills in this game. What other explanation could there be?

You're right. Maybe there are conversions.

I was expecting the first kill to come last night - it was right after the merge and BK mentioned that as a "coming home" present anyone who had a night action could take it. I figured we'd see our first death by wolf after I heard that.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by KWhit

The first way is to get someone previously from Oz or Helsing into our alliance. Someone willing to leave their old tribe allegiance and come join us with the understanding that we form what is essentially a new team. All 4 of us on equal footing. The 4 of us coast into the next merge.

I suggest someone from Helsing joining us. Remember that after KWhit, Anxiety, and I are gone, you guys are next.

[KWhit]

Yes. That's my thought too.

[GoldenEagle]

Naturally, my intuition is to vote for JE, Anxiety, or KWhit at this point. It is just where the numbers match up and give us the best chance of getting a wolf.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I can't believe that everyone is so quick to dismiss the possibility of conversions. There have been zero night kills in this game. What other explanation could there be?

Do you think there has been a conversion every night?

[hoopsguy]

Welcome to the tribal council, everyone. Some of you I'm talking with for the first time, others I've had opportunity to get to know fairly well. I've got exciting news for all of you that is somewhat related to your current situation. We've reached an agreement with the networks to broadcast the remainder of the show in real-time! Sure that complicates matters a little bit - the audience won't know how we got to this point, or who you are talking about when referencing people who are not here now, but we pitched it as sort of a "Memento" approach. Anyways, that isn't why I came by here ...

As you know, you have to vote out one of your members this evening. With all the collective paranoia around werewolves, I would like to remind you that there is no evidence to suggest the existence of anyone except for the original 22 tribe members. Some of them have been voted off, and another person will be joining them at the conclusion of this council.

I've largely given up trying to understand the thought process on votes this season, but I guess I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll ask a few questions.

1.) How much loyalty do you retain with your past tribe, compared to the current group?
2.) Have you started thinking yet about the road to being the final survivor, or is that too far off to be realistic?
3.) Are late changes/declarations from today more or less suspect than earlier ones?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Naturally, my intuition is to vote for JE, Anxiety, or KWhit at this point. It is just where the numbers match up and give us the best chance of getting a wolf.

I agree

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Do you think there has been a conversion every night?

Every night? No. Multiple nights. Why not? Why else haven't there been kills?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I agree

You realize that by siding with the members of Oz, you are sealing your own fate, right?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

You realize that by siding with the members of Oz, you are sealing your own fate, right?

Allying with Oz, gives us the best chance of eliminating the wolves. Whose evidence is shown publicly in the presentation of a seer role and privately in a challenge reward in which I participated. Wolves are also supported 3rd hand by RAs claim of being a wolf.

[Grammaticus]

How does the voting work?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

1.) How much loyalty do you retain with your past tribe, compared to the current group?
2.) Have you started thinking yet about the road to being the final survivor, or is that too far off to be realistic?
3.) Are late changes/declarations from today more or less suspect than earlier ones?

No offense, but I was hoping I'd never speak to you again.

1) Since my old tribe is basically gone, I hold no allegiance to them at all. I'm all about the new Howard tribe. I just wish the rest of my new "teammates" thought the same way.

2) I have, and apparently I'm one of the few in this tribe to do so. I can see when we are being played over by members of a certain other tribe, so I hope others will open their eyes or else they will suffer the same fate as KWhit, Anxiety, and I.

3) I'm trying to think of a late change or declaration from today, but I can't think of any.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

How does the voting work?

You submit a private message to Barkeep, who tallies the votes and the one with the most votes goes home.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Allying with Oz, gives us the best chance of eliminating the wolves. Whose evidence is shown publicly in the presentation of a seer role and privately in a challenge reward in which I participated. Wolves are also supported 3rd hand by RAs claim of being a wolf.

Fine. Vote us out. You'll have no one to blame but yourself when the former members of Oz turn against you. And if you don't think they will, you're fooling yourself. They've shown all game that what comes first is the security of their tribe. That's not going to change now.

[Grammaticus]

When do we have to have our votes in or by what time?

[Poli]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

1.) How much loyalty do you retain with your past tribe, compared to the current group?
2.) Have you started thinking yet about the road to being the final survivor, or is that too far off to be realistic?
3.) Are late changes/declarations from today more or less suspect than earlier ones?

First, nice color.

1. I'm loyal to cronin. He's got my back. Otherwise, I'm all for Howard.

2. Never crossed my mind, funny since I'm the original FOFC survivor champ. I guess my morale dropped when we started losing challenges through a lack of participation.

3. Not sure what you mean.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

1. I'm loyal to cronin. He's got my back.

What does this mean?

[hoopsguy]

On the "late declarations" thing - I was asking if the time that people who declared "rock", "paper", or "scissors" was a part of the decision process. You lost the challenge - was it fair and square, or was there some act of sabotage? If the latter, are the people who voted early or late more suspect?

[Poli]

There was most definitely sabotage. Noone to my knowledge has pubicly stated they let Helsing know about my vote "switch".

Cronin's my boy. We're pals, and neither of us are wolves. Since the other two are Oz, I trust them, but nowhere near the level I trust cronin. It's more of an in game/out of game thing.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I was one of the late voters and because I can chat with path in our own thread, I could have given out the voting info. But I didn't. I wanted to win this challenge because I know my head is going to be on the block. Maybe not this time around, but soon.

[Poli]

Someone clearly gave the other side the inside scoop, though.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Path and I talked about the developments of the day (since we are both likely to be among the first voted off) and he asked if our members of Oz were going to follow cronin's call. I told him that I didn't know because you all hadn't said what you were going to do yet.

[Barkeep49]

Votes are PM'ed to me by 10 PM tomorrow. You may vote an unvote. Also remember you are morally obligated to answer hoops' questions. Follow the nice example of Jonathan.

[Poli]

Am I chopped liver?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Also remember you are morally obligated to answer hoops' questions. Follow the nice example of Jonathan.

Well, I have a lot of experience in these matters.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Votes are PM'ed to me by 10 PM tomorrow. You may vote an unvote. Also remember you are morally obligated to answer hoops' questions. Follow the nice example of Jonathan.

Ah, the story unfolds

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I've largely given up trying to understand the thought process on votes this season, but I guess I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll ask a few questions.

1.) How much loyalty do you retain with your past tribe, compared to the current group?
2.) Have you started thinking yet about the road to being the final survivor, or is that too far off to be realistic?
3.) Are late changes/declarations from today more or less suspect than earlier ones?

1. Eliminating the wolves is a rote action

2. Some

3. It's all the same

[Abe Sargent]

I personally think this game has been a shoehorn from the beginning. Please note, this is not a whine, I fully expect you all to coninute your strategy, and so forth, and I'm not frustrated. I;m merely observing.

On Day One, two tribes got an extra person, and then the challenge was immedaitely offered, and one where the mre numbers you had, the more likely you were to win. Lupus lost, foreseeably. We then rally to win a challenge that is not number srelated, then lose the next challenge which is n7umbers related. Then our number is cut again to three, based off losses by numbers challenegs. Then, once down to three, we steer clear of losing by doing well in non-numbers related challenegs. FInally, we have a shot at actually playign the game without having to worry about derense, because we are combined with other tibes, and what is the very first thing that happens? Our new tribe intentionally throws the game just to vote one of us off, because we still don;t have the numbers.

It all goes back to Day One, and which tribes the unafiliated chose to aling with. We lost this game on that day.

Again, BK said that survivor and WW are neither fair, and the combintion fot he two is relaly unfair, but I feel that I have been putting in hours of wrok like Sysiphus, but all for naught. I;ve never done anything but do everything I can to get whatever tribe I;m in to win, and here we are, facing elimination, because we never had the numbers.




-Anxiety

[KWhit]

We're not dead yet, Anxiety.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

1.) How much loyalty do you retain with your past tribe, compared to the current group?

Some, but more than that I feel a a good bit of loyalty to Anxiety and Jon because they are the only way I stay alive. If one other person chooses to join us, I'll feel loyal to them too. It's all about your current teammates. Who can you count on? My current teammates are Jon and Anxiety. I hope to add another one to our team today.

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

2.) Have you started thinking yet about the road to being the final survivor, or is that too far off to be realistic?

No. But I have started thinking about how to get out of this current group and into the next merge as I describe above. I think I have a way to do it, too.

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

3.) Are late changes/declarations from today more or less suspect than earlier ones?

I would say less suspect. I would imagine that people posted late in order to insure that word wouldn't be passed to the other team about what each of us chose. I know that's why I waited until the last second to post mine.

[Passacaglia]

1. As much as they're willing to give to me. The idea of being scanned by the seer appeals to me as a villager, and I'm thinking that will help when things get whittled down -- by the time the already-cleared majority is looking at me, the seer can step in, knowing all the facts.

2. A little. See above. Mostly I'm just worried about getting through each day.

3. Earlier from one tribe, later from the other. If there was sabotage, someone late must have intentionally lost -- because they knew someone else's throw earlier.

[Passacaglia]

Anyway, crazy day yesterday. Anyone have an idea for voting targets? I'm personally curious about what Anxiety, KWhit, and JE have to say, since they're on the block.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I don't have anyone in mind. I'm going to wait and see what today's challenge is, see how everyone works together, and then decide.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

C'mon in Survivors.

I do have some bad news. Last night GoldenEagle's body was found. It was mangled. Ripped to shreds. Generally? An unpleasant sight. Even worse news is that some sort of coded message was found. We decided to decode it and it turns out that it was a list of players. Next to some was written villager and some (or was it one? Maybe it was none?) was written wolf. Alas a careless intern "dropped" it into the fire and so we can't show it to you. Such a shame.

Today is a combined reward and immunity challenge. Here is a grid:



There are 100 letters inside the grid and 20 letters on the outside. The goal of this challenge is simple: use as many of the letters as possible to form words. The words you form must use a letter on the outside of the grid to start and then use a letter in that row or column. So, for instance, you could form It (I+21) or Be (B+41). Once you've used a letter, inside or outside the grid, you may not use it again. Whichever tribe can form the most words wins.

The winning tribe's reward, besides immunity, is that they will designate two players from the losing tribe. The following day at tribal council those two will be the player voted off.

The word lists and the two players who the tribe would like to make eligible for tribal council are due by 10 PM. A word must be found in either dictionary.com or m-w.com in order to count. No proper nouns will be accepted, but otherwise all WORDS will be accepted (meaning prefixes and suffixes and the like also do not count).

Survivors ready? Go!

Looks like we can't make more than 20 words, right? Since each letter can only be used once

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by KWhit

We're not dead yet, Anxiety.

I think the wolf kill last night did us in. My guess is taht he wolves have a limited number of kills, and chose last night to take one down, to guarantee getting us killed, slowly over the next five days, while the wolves pick off other players.

To be fair, it's a sound startegy.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Looks like we can't make more than 20 words, right? Since each letter can only be used once

Correct.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I think the wolf kill last night did us in. My guess is taht he wolves have a limited number of kills, and chose last night to take one down, to guarantee getting us killed, slowly over the next five days, while the wolves pick off other players.

To be fair, it's a sound startegy.

Yeah, the wolves screwed us. Thanks, wolves.

[Abe Sargent]

For the Challenge, it seems like the best thing to do is to is to verify that we can make 20 words, and then try to lenthen our words once we have our list of twenty.

[Passacaglia]

Didn't the wolves help you guys get a majority for your new team?

[ImTheCrew]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

1.) How much loyalty do you retain with your past tribe, compared to the current group?
2.) Have you started thinking yet about the road to being the final survivor, or is that too far off to be realistic?
3.) Are late changes/declarations from today more or less suspect than earlier ones?

1. very much
2.too far off and ill have to really be lucky to make it
3.im not really sure what happend... im still kinda confused on all that

[Passacaglia]

I feel like losing the seer really screwed me. I dunno if the wolves just got lucky, or used some night action in a previous night to figure out who the seer is, or what. But knowing that I don't have a shot at being scanned really messes me up.

[Passacaglia]

Does the length of the words matter?

[Passacaglia]

I see Barkeep say to use as many letters as possible, then he says whoever forms the most words wins. Which is it?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Didn't the wolves help you guys get a majority for your new team?

Personally, I was hoping to stick around long enough for the seer to clear me, but since that won't happen now, there's no way I won't get voted off (and I assume the same holds for Anxiety and KWhit).

[ImTheCrew]

Ge, why???

[Passacaglia]

The words you form must use a letter on the outside of the grid to start and then use a letter in that row or column.

Does this mean that just ONE letter in the word has to be in that row or column?

Also, does the word have to start with the letter that is outside the grid?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Personally, I was hoping to stick around long enough for the seer to clear me, but since that won't happen now, there's no way I won't get voted off (and I assume the same holds for Anxiety and KWhit).

Maybe I trusted too much that the seer was going to look at me and Gram, but I figured the plan was to kill you off, and not even bother scanning you.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Maybe I trusted too much that the seer was going to look at me and Gram, but I figured the plan was to kill you off, and not even bother scanning you.

I knew that was the plan, but my hope was that after you two were scanned, the seer would turn to us. A long shot, I know, but it was the only thing I had to clear me.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Does this mean that just ONE letter in the word has to be in that row or column?

Also, does the word have to start with the letter that is outside the grid?

I apologize for the confusion. Most letters used wins. I'm going to fix that in the original post. And yes the words MUST start with the letters on the outside.

[ImTheCrew]

GUYS WHO ARE WE VOTING FOR TONIGHT???