WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!!

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Poli

DON'T ORGANIZE
DO NOTHING

Voting Pass is fine. In fact I'm leaning his direction myself. But just doing nothing becuase he's upset you is no good.

[RendeR]

Autumn, lets put this to rest once and for all.

You state the fact that we had ONE single unit of work more than we needed on ALL 4 items yesterday.

We had THREE people on the mission.

even if all THREE of us came back and covered something all the sympathizers had to do was fake work on whiever item had the weakest support. no matter how we put our SINGLE units each there would be ONE item with only ONE unit more than required.

Any sympathizer could have screwed us yesterday even with EVERYONE doing the work. They had the numbers in their favor yesterday, they played their cards very well.

If we had not gone on the mission at all we would still have been easy to screw over, with or without the arrest. The arrest ability symply made it easier for them.

SInce we DID go on the mission at least we came back with items that can help us in the future.


Now if you want to keep harping on this you guarentee that I will vote for you because you're argument is a moot point. Even if we did what you wanted us to do at the time we would STILL HAVE FAILED. I don;t know how I can make that any clearer to you.

You're focusing on a useless point and trying to push suspicion on people based on that useless point.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Purdue who went early and then backed off, conceivably as the wolves got the right numbers

I would like to think I wouldn't be that stupid a wolf because it doesn't conceal moves but calls into attention my moves. And frankly, I moved very early, has anyone considered (other than me) that the most maneuvering or alignment of work by the wolves would likely have been towards the end rather than locking in early OR moving around like I did? I think that's common sense but what do I know.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Now if you want to keep harping on this you guarentee that I will vote for you because you're argument is a moot point. Even if we did what you wanted us to do at the time we would STILL HAVE FAILED. I don;t know how I can make that any clearer to you.

You're focusing on a useless point and trying to push suspicion on people based on that useless point.

But we would have failed with no extra items of harm in the game and we would have failed with the ability to start to figure out who had faked.

[Autumn]

Wow. Flameout.

[Poli]

For the record, I did bend the truth to concern the sympathizers as well. The shotgun is 'barely adequate' for self defense, and according to the PM, there are better weapons for that.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Wow. Flameout.

I'm not a fan of being called a liar.

[Poli]

I passed the shotgun on to one of the hunters, as I recall. Though clearly Autumn can vouch it wasn't him.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Poli

DON'T ORGANIZE
DO NOTHING

Kind of feeling the same way Poli. Heinz mentioned something about people being hyper-aggressive or whatever, and that was probably aimed at me. I don't know why, but the last two games left me fairly frustrated (one in which I played very well and the other in which I got railroaded early and let it untrack me the rest of the way) and I think I'm carrying that into here. I'm going to try to be a bit more calm but, for some reason, it feels like it's been building.


I miss the teamwork aspect of the dungeon game which, even though it wasn't set up to be a teamwork game, turned into a pretty good one. I may have to take one of the next game off.

[RendeR]

*tosses Poli a shot of scotch* chill out dude, its a long game.

[Poli]

Pass has his own agenda. Shrug.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

But we would have failed with no extra items of harm in the game and we would have failed with the ability to start to figure out who had faked.

Failing with nothing !> Failing with something

[PurdueBrad]

Can I have one or two RendeR?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I would like to think I wouldn't be that stupid a wolf because it doesn't conceal moves but calls into attention my moves. And frankly, I moved very early, has anyone considered (other than me) that the most maneuvering or alignment of work by the wolves would likely have been towards the end rather than locking in early OR moving around like I did? I think that's common sense but what do I know.

Frankly, I agree PurdueBrad. It seems early for the wolves to have been sure at the point you switched off. But not impossible, especially if there were several wolves involved in the mission.

[RendeR]

*chuckles* it sounds like most people need to take a break. I'm actually feeling pretty good at this point. I haven't lost my temper or resorted to senseless violence and insults yet Must have been a good choice to take the long break like I did

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Can I have one or two RendeR?

*Slides the bottle across the table*

[PurdueBrad]

Autumn, I agree and in a game with no lynch votes yet, I get that we have limited info.

[PurdueBrad]

Thanks RendeR. Don't know what is going on with my frustration level.

*Takes a slug, which one of you guys is up next with the bottle?*

[Autumn]

I'm sorry it's getting you, Poli. I don't necessary agree with Pass's analysis or vote, but we all are going to get called liars in this game, right? It can certainly get frustrating.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm sorry it's getting you, Poli. I don't necessary agree with Pass's analysis or vote, but we all are going to get called liars in this game, right? It can certainly get frustrating.

I think his frustration is that he's being called a liar after proving that he was not.

[Poli]

My frustration level deals with only one man at this point. A man who feels I should take his two posts after I posted I was going on the mission and treat them as gold.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I think his frustration is that he's being called a liar after proving that he was not.

Ding ding ding.

[PurdueBrad]

It's also a no win situation. If you say nothing, you're a wolf. If you defend yourself with logic and reason to the fullest, you're a wolf too.

[Poli]

I won't be around much after my reveal, I can guarantee that. The sympathizers will take me out.

[PurdueBrad]

Poli, I wouldn't reveal anything anytime soon. I doubt there is going to be some massive run on you.

[Poli]

GO ORGANIZE

I'll settle down and help.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Poli, I wouldn't reveal anything anytime soon. I doubt there is going to be some massive run on you.

Too late, amigo.

[RendeR]

The powers that be: Please direct me to what area needs the work done and I shall add my effort to that.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I think his frustration is that he's being called a liar after proving that he was not.

Oh, I think the point of my vote post must have been missed. He said that he left for the day before I posted, so he said: "I didn't see a darn thing you typed before I left for the day, Pass." -- but his last post of the morning was #479, at 7:00 AM, which is 10 minutes after my posts came. My comment of "I'm sorry...that you're a liar!" was meant as a joke, and if it wasn't taken that way, I apologize.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Autumn, lets put this to rest once and for all.

You state the fact that we had ONE single unit of work more than we needed on ALL 4 items yesterday.

We had THREE people on the mission.

even if all THREE of us came back and covered something all the sympathizers had to do was fake work on whiever item had the weakest support. no matter how we put our SINGLE units each there would be ONE item with only ONE unit more than required.

Any sympathizer could have screwed us yesterday even with EVERYONE doing the work. They had the numbers in their favor yesterday, they played their cards very well.

If we had not gone on the mission at all we would still have been easy to screw over, with or without the arrest. The arrest ability symply made it easier for them.

SInce we DID go on the mission at least we came back with items that can help us in the future.


Now if you want to keep harping on this you guarentee that I will vote for you because you're argument is a moot point. Even if we did what you wanted us to do at the time we would STILL HAVE FAILED. I don;t know how I can make that any clearer to you.

You're focusing on a useless point and trying to push suspicion on people based on that useless point.

You've given me the choice of answering you and getting voted for, or not answering, but anyway.

I've explained, I think, that on Patrolling and Organization we had enough specialists that I believe we would have had two or three targets to pick from if either of these jobs were faked. Yes, we would have failed but we would have had an easy Oust there (or the best we can hope for).

If we had put three more people on Food then it would have made it much more difficult to fail us there. Several wolves would have had to fake, and I think that would have given us good information if they dared to do it.

It was not a foolproof plan but as far as I know it was the best that the village came up with.

I am not claiming that the fact that you went on the mission makes you a Sympathizer.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by RendeR

*chuckles* it sounds like most people need to take a break. I'm actually feeling pretty good at this point. I haven't lost my temper or resorted to senseless violence and insults yet Must have been a good choice to take the long break like I did

RendeR, how long a break did you end up taking? Sorry, memory is apparently slipping!

[Autumn]

Well, if you're not fake revealing, Poli, that's a real bummer for the laborers.

Render, I think we need you on Treasury, Oratory or Organization, they all have spots.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Poli

My frustration level deals with only one man at this point. A man who feels I should take his two posts after I posted I was going on the mission and treat them as gold.

I don't think I did that at all -- if that was the case, I would have been on you from the start. It's really not until you said that I didn't post while you were around that caught my eye.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

My comment of "I'm sorry...that you're a liar!" was meant as a joke, and if it wasn't taken that way, I apologize.

Accepted.

My point was that before I posted I was going on the mission, I didn't see anything you wrote...you hadn't wrote anything. Afterward, I honestly didn't read your posts up until I left. That last post toward PB was indeed my last of the morning...and quite honestly, all I noticed was that PB was going on the mission...which struck me odd. I skimmed the other posts between mine and where I posted, but I can't say I read those nor did I glean through my skimming a total uproar over going on the mission.

Honestly, I had forgot I even posted after my mission post. I had totally thought I had left for the morning/day.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Well, if you're not fake revealing, Poli, that's a real bummer for the laborers.

Render, I think we need you on Treasury, Oratory or Organization, they all have spots.

I used to fake reveal nearly every game. Those were the days.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Poli

Accepted.

Good. Now, I'd like to see you apologize for the snide way you said "I'll take that apology now" when you were clearly wrong.

[Poli]

I wasn't wrong. You posted your stuff after I posted I was going on the mission...not before. Sure, you posted afterward...and within a 10 minute timeframe or so before I asked if PB was a searcher...but that doesn't mean I read it in my haste before I left for the day.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Poli

I wasn't wrong. You posted your stuff after I posted I was going on the mission...not before. Sure, you posted afterward...and within a 10 minute timeframe or so before I asked if PB was a searcher...but that doesn't mean I read it in my haste before I left for the day.

So I'm supposed to guess what posts you have read and haven't? My posts were definitely made before the end of the day, and when I called you out, you chose to be snide about it. If you have a problem with someone calling you a liar in a game where the whole idea is to find out people who are lying, then I don't think you have the right to take that tone with others.

[Passacaglia]

Sorry, I meant "before you left for the day", not "before the end of the day".

[Poli]

I did not lie. I said before I chose to go on the mission, I did not see anyone post "OMG CONCERN" about people going on the mission.

[Poli]

Your posts, fwiw, came after, and honestly, I didn't read them as I was heading out the door.

[Passacaglia]

The thing is, if you had just said, "my bad, I didn't realize it" that would have been a much better reaction than wigging out. Can't you see where I'm coming from here? You tell me you hadn't read any of my posts, but I know that you posted ten minutes after I had. What would you have inferred, if you were in my situation?

[Autumn]

I'm not sure this exchange is getting us anywhere, guys. And it's certainly distracting us from our two jobs this day.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Poli

I did not lie. I said before I chose to go on the mission, I did not see anyone post "OMG CONCERN" about people going on the mission.

Right, I get what your point is, but you also said, "I didn't see a darn thing you typed before I left for the day, Pass." That's what I was calling out.

[The Jackal]

catching up

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm not sure this exchange is getting us anywhere, guys. And it's certainly distracting us from our two jobs this day.

I agree that it's probably not getting us anywhere. I figure we'll do what we can on the camps, and since there's no mission to distract us, everyone will just line up where they can. Aren't there four jobs, though?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Autumn

You've given me the choice of answering you and getting voted for, or not answering, but anyway.

I've explained, I think, that on Patrolling and Organization we had enough specialists that I believe we would have had two or three targets to pick from if either of these jobs were faked. Yes, we would have failed but we would have had an easy Oust there (or the best we can hope for).

If we had put three more people on Food then it would have made it much more difficult to fail us there. Several wolves would have had to fake, and I think that would have given us good information if they dared to do it.

It was not a foolproof plan but as far as I know it was the best that the village came up with.

I am not claiming that the fact that you went on the mission makes you a Sympathizer.

This bolded bit is the assumption you keep making that is entirely wrong. In whichever group they chose to fake they only required ONE wolf with a Xsomething multiplier to make us fail entirely. If we had overloaded the food they would have faked something else. EVen if we did so and they faked and we narroed our list down its still a 1 in what? 4-5 people shot at catching someone? I'd rather have our items. its a safer bet at helping us.

Its not about making a foolproof plan, its about looking back in hindsight and seeing that we were screwed from the beginning and accepting that instead of blathering on about the people on the mission actually making ANY difference in the outcome. based on yesterdays number requirements and the number of people we had we could not have succeeded unless the sympathizers chose to let us.

Go back over the numbers. try putting our three points in any way you want. It still comes out the same, especially seeing that they had the ability to simply remove one of our top production (x3) people from whichever group would work best for them.

Please drop this line of argument, I think I've proven that its a baseless and worthless excercise.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Right, I get what your point is, but you also said, "I didn't see a darn thing you typed before I left for the day, Pass." That's what I was calling out.

Honestly, I didn't see them. I saw PB was going on the mission and thought, "?" I didn't read anyone's posts but that one before I left.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I agree that it's probably not getting us anywhere. I figure we'll do what we can on the camps, and since there's no mission to distract us, everyone will just line up where they can. Aren't there four jobs, though?

I mean winning the camp and Ousting someone as the two jobs.

[The Jackal]

Hrm. Lots to digest this morning. Is there an updated work count?